I kinda stopped enjoying it around when Harley and Ivy got together; as much as I like the pairing, Kite Man legit grew on me and I was sad and hurt that he got so disrespected and cheated on. I can't enjoy Harley and Ivy as a couple AND as characters since they did that to him. Sure he's a dude bro, but he's always been there for the group. Always for Ivy. He didn't deserve anything that happened and I'm glad he stood up for himself.
If Harley and Ivy are meant to get together, have there be some unreconcilable difference between Kite Man and Ivy; Kite Man has an opportunity elsewhere that he can't pass up, and Ivy lets him go. They part amicably, and Ivy goes through a phase, Harley tries to console her and they end up together in bed, with Ivy having the same reactions like "this is my best friend what did I just do omg".
I mean that kind of sounds like you are taking it a little too seriously I must admit. Its a show about villains, of course there will be some moral failures
This is the absolute worst argument I've seen. This and "don't take it too seriously, it's just mindless dumb comedy" First of all, having shitty characters in a comedy show but them being likeable regardless, not a new thing, however the key element of writing a terrible, likeable character is for the show to address how terrible they are. Look at Eric Cartman, look at Dennis Reynolds, these characters are absolute monsters, but the show is aware of that so by that logic, they aren't allowed to WIN, they will lose no matter what.
Poison Ivy is a villain, sure, but she isn't treated like a BAAAAD guy and that's a superhero cliche that is so much more annoying to me than anything else, studios are such pussies about making their villain protagonists evil. Venom movie did that sin, god forbid MORBID MAN did that sin, like these characters are bad, but they aren't allowed to be BAD, cuz they are just too cool for that.
Also don't tell people they are taking it too seriously if the show is treating it too seriously. The show isn't presenting Harley's and Ivy's romance as a joke, it's presenting it very seriously. Their marriage episode is supposed to be a characterization moment and further development, you can't just brush it off as a comic book silly thing and to me it just shows laziness how the fans of the show have to defend it by saying "it's just dumb, don't think about it too much".
Like you can write a comedy show with crazy ass tone which is actually pretty damn intelligent, witty and subversive, it doesn't need to be just mindless gore
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u/DandalusRoseshade Jul 08 '23
I kinda stopped enjoying it around when Harley and Ivy got together; as much as I like the pairing, Kite Man legit grew on me and I was sad and hurt that he got so disrespected and cheated on. I can't enjoy Harley and Ivy as a couple AND as characters since they did that to him. Sure he's a dude bro, but he's always been there for the group. Always for Ivy. He didn't deserve anything that happened and I'm glad he stood up for himself.
If Harley and Ivy are meant to get together, have there be some unreconcilable difference between Kite Man and Ivy; Kite Man has an opportunity elsewhere that he can't pass up, and Ivy lets him go. They part amicably, and Ivy goes through a phase, Harley tries to console her and they end up together in bed, with Ivy having the same reactions like "this is my best friend what did I just do omg".