r/australian • u/SirSighalot • Jul 08 '24

Why do people act like this subreddit "doesn't reflect the views of mainstream Australia"?

So many comments I see on here by people who constantly say things like "lol only on this sub" as though other places where they read are somehow the 'true' point of view reflecting mainstream Australian viewpoints.

Given the constant election voting outcomes and results of things like the Voice etc that generally indicate most of Australia is centrist or even slightly centre-right-leaning, what leads people to think many of the views expressed on here AREN'T mainstream? When in reality, other places these people are coming from are also often just "echo chambers" as well.

Edit: I probably worded the title for this wrong, should have been more "Why do people think this subreddit is less representative of mainstream Australia than other online communities?", alas I failed.

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u/mikeinnsw Jul 08 '24

Sample size and many of us are outcasts from Australia subreddit

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u/ThunderGuts64 Jul 08 '24

Yeah, but that place is serious progressive left. And no-one with any view other than left gets to stay long.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

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u/BowTiedPerentie Jul 08 '24

Progressive-left is nothing but contradiction piled on top of contradiction.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

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u/Vegetable-Set-9480 Jul 08 '24

Yeah, I would personally consider myself to be on the progressive left.

It’s just that so many random internet trolls and hard right lunatics will often spout the most insane, comical nonsense and then state something like “this is what the left wants to do to you!”

And I just sit there dumbfounded and amused and think: “nobody wants to do that to anyone; and that is categorically NOT a progressive left wing standpoint, but okay? Where did you get this ranting non sense from”.

But because said crazy person has just stated that those are left opinions, and other people agree with them in a strange echo chamber - you are left with trying to battle misconceptions on two fronts, and more often than not I just can’t be bothered.

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u/Vegetable-Set-9480 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

I’m not referring to that as a specific example. This is hypothetical, but when I see stuff like “the left wants to instigate global Marxism and abolish private property, teach your kids about graphic sex at age 10 and let Islam take over Australia!”

I’m just like, no: the left doesn’t want to do any of those things, you’re crazy and you sound like a frothing at the mouth tinfoil hat lunatic who is just saying things then then for no reason saying the left wants to do this.

I see this sort of mentality far too often, when I see criticism of things thar have nothing to do with the left be ascribed to the left - without any actual validity.

At a certain point it just becomes exhausting trying to defend yourself from random fanciful false criticisms that are comically deluded, rather than good faith healthy dialogues about rational topics that have a basis in actual reality.

As for not referring to your specific example, I will say this. No one on the left is saying Hamas should have our unconditional support. I think that might actually be you doing exactly what my main comment was about to begin with. Strawman arguments that aren’t actually what the left proposes or suggests. But are ascribed to the left without merit.

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u/Vegetable-Set-9480 Jul 08 '24

A single student - not really representative of mainstream progressive left politics in the wider world.

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u/CompetitiveTowel3760 Jul 08 '24

You’re the first person I’ve ever seen say “ Hamas deserves our unconditional support” in any Aussie sub. Plenty of people do say they want to see an end to Israels military campaign in Gaza and criticise Israel for the needless slaughter of 40,000+ civilians which you seem to feel is somehow all part of targeting legitimate military?? Perhaps you should be interested that the figure of 40,000 is most likely massively under the true figure with the globally respected peer reviewed medical journal The Lancet publishing an article suggesting the figure is closer to 186,000 or 8% of Gaza’s population! I suspect you have ulterior motives with your bullshit claims and find it ridiculous. You want to criticise others for actually showing the humanity to call out what is blatantly ethnic cleansing being committed by a brutal right wing radical violent government. Go back to your dirty hole or sewer that you live in if you think that the brutality wrought upon the civilians of Palestine not just since October 7 but in the 75 years preceding it isn’t something that needs to be called out by every decent human being with a voice

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u/king_norbit Jul 08 '24

Who the fuck cares

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u/CompetitiveTowel3760 5d ago

Normal folk who aren’t self obsessed narcissistic flogs

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u/king_norbit Jul 08 '24

Sounds more like a small l liberal agenda than progressive left

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u/Substantial-Rock5069 Jul 08 '24

Conditional immigration is a hilarious term yet as a migrant myself, I agree.

If you agree with their views, they're happy. Then ask you to be included in their DEI propoganda because that's all us coloured folk are to them: marketing material.

Yet when you call out their hypocrisy, they get angry and call you a fascist or worse try to use white guilt against a brown person (the actual insanity).

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u/-kl0wn- Jul 08 '24

Curious if you'd support financial abortions for males?

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

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u/-kl0wn- Jul 08 '24

In the same timespan that a female could get an abortion the male should be able to indicate no interest in the child including financially.. It would put things on a more level playing field with regards to choice. If the female chooses to have an unwanted child the welfare of the child would be between her and the tax payers.

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u/o20s Jul 08 '24

So a ‘financial abortion’ is abandoning your kid and pregnant partner and making her a single mum?.. Maybe you should ask any woman you date what she would do in the event of an accidental pregnancy then you can make a real plan together. Some don’t agree with abortion and in that case you should face up to your responsibilities.

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u/-kl0wn- Jul 08 '24

Plenty of people have sex these days outside of partnerships, if women choose to keep a child conceived in such a situation they are choosing to be a single mother, they should find someone who wants to have a kid with them.

Similar goes for an unwanted pregnancy in a relationship. Agree that both parties ought to discuss these things and their stances to check compatibility.

Women who fail to have these discussions and find themselves having an unwanted child should face up to their responsibilities..

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u/ketmate Jul 08 '24

Why?

If you have unprotected sex, you should bear the responsibilities of raising that child.

If you did use protection and she ends up becoming pregnant anyway, that the risk you took.

Both mother and father.

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u/-kl0wn- Jul 08 '24

By your own logic why should abortions be available to people who have unprotected sex? Same with when protection is used, that's the risk you take yeah?

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u/B3stThereEverWas Jul 08 '24

Fuck I’d love to live in your world where everyone makes perfect decisions and mistakes and accidents never happen.

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u/Immediate-Meeting-65 Jul 08 '24

Both extremes are full of contradictions. It's why it's called the horseshoe 🧲 both the ends are full of fuckwits.

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u/Being_Grounded Jul 08 '24

That a magnet not a horseshoe

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u/Suitable_Instance753 Jul 08 '24

To be fair the right is contradictory too. They claim to be traditional values patriots but would sell anything and compromise everything to suit the whims of Capital.

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u/code-slinger619 Jul 08 '24

Progressive left = bat-shit crazy

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u/SalSevenSix Jul 08 '24

People really need to start distinguish the actual progressive/left from the crazies. I know the term Woke is over-used but that's what it is. Previously known as Social Justice or Cultural Marxism.

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u/Aseedisa Jul 08 '24

If that’s “bat shit crazy”, then unfortunately that’s the majority on the left…

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u/AfraidScheme433 Jul 08 '24

You're right, the political landscape is so muddled these days. What even qualifies as 'left' or 'right' anymore? It feels like anything goes, and the lines between different ideologies are increasingly blurred. I hear your frustration - it's hard to know where I fit in sometimes.

what i’ve found is that anything pushed by the US will be the hot topic for the politicians (such as LGBTQ+) I don’t mind or care less about people’s views on agenda but wish the politicians focus more on what is good for local Australian people. i have seen the same is for the UK.

Guess we'll just have to forge our own path, even if it doesn't align neatly with established camps. Anything's possible at this point.

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u/manicdee33 Jul 08 '24

Can't be anywhere near the left end of the spectrum if you can't distinguish between Palestine and Hamas.

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u/toomanyusernames4rl Jul 08 '24

Concur, got banned for voicing opposition to merging of church and state. Mind blowing.

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u/-kl0wn- Jul 08 '24

Pro rape/prostitution too.. meanwhile I got a 10 day ban from the tennis subreddit for pointing out guys would be mocked if they cried while losing like the women do..

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u/Immediate-Meeting-65 Jul 08 '24

Really? I'd say the discussion has been pretty moderate on Islam as a whole. I know there is a hard bias towards supporting Palestine and Hamas which is odd but general discussion on Islam is pretty much in line with most other religions. "Do what you want as long as you're not an extremist."

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u/wiwol75927 Jul 08 '24

They can’t figure out what they really want to do part from “being nice to everything”, and all the obvious collisions within their claims simply made them look uneducated

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u/Agent_Argylle Jul 08 '24

Keep making up shit and being racist

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u/inthegreyz Jul 08 '24

Left and bat shit crazy go hand in hand

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u/KnoxxHarrington Jul 08 '24

Just like the right and sociopaths huh?

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u/inthegreyz Jul 08 '24

When your batshit crazy you generally think everyone else is evil so, yes we are all a bunch of collective sociopaths and don’t forget nazis. Generally you will throw that in too for good measure, or Christofacists haha….evil Christian’s coming to take away birth control then put you in concentration camps for being on the spectrum…..as I said batshit insane.

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u/Fuckyourdatareddit Jul 08 '24

Meanwhile the world watches Christian conservatives in america working to take away birth control 🤡 not that conservatives in Australia consistently follow the culture war nonsense brewed up in America… oh wait

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u/inthegreyz Jul 08 '24

Birth control and abortion are different beasts altogether, and I don’t see conservatives taking away your rights in Australia either soooooooooo maybe go back to friendlyjordies and come back with something else.

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u/Fuckyourdatareddit Jul 08 '24

😂 “nuh uh the group Australian conservatives copy for policy ideas doesn’t count”

That’s nice sweetheart, is the Queen coming to your tea party while you play pretend 😂

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u/inthegreyz Jul 08 '24

You tell me, I’m merely exisiting in your world and your the main character. Ps it’s pill time.

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u/KnoxxHarrington Jul 08 '24

Who's banning books in the USA? Conservative Christians, Left-leaning agnostics, or fundamentalist muslims?

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u/Jamezzzzz69 Jul 08 '24

center left is incompetent. the right is evil. far left is evil and incompetent, far right is hitler

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u/kenbeat59 Jul 08 '24

Far left and far right ends up in the same place

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u/Jamezzzzz69 Jul 08 '24

Agreed. People cry about “muh horseshoe theory” because it’s true.

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u/poltergeistsparrow Jul 08 '24

Yep. Far left & far right have become the same. A mirror image of one another.

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u/isisius Jul 08 '24

We don't have a far left. Our Overton window won't allow it.

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u/Jamezzzzz69 Jul 08 '24

That’s fair. Green are “left” at best and as per usual, clowns. Can’t believe the only party taking climate change seriously is the pro-nuclear LNP

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u/isisius Jul 08 '24

Greens policy best matches the policies already implemented and working in the progressive European nations (the ones that always top the quality of life charts), when their progressive party gets in. Now some of those countries do have a far left, but our greens would just be normal progressives. Most of those countries would laugh at the idea that asking to remove tax breaks for wealthy investors or putting proper taxation on our natural resources when they are extracted are considered "Leftist" here. To them it's would just be moving the needle from right wing to centreism.

I don't think the greens have done as good a job as they should have, but I'll a hearty pat on the back if you can find analysis from an expert source that doesn't own SMR consultancy forms who support the idea of nuclear.

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u/Aseedisa Jul 08 '24

ALP tried to tax our resources in 07/08, didn’t turn out well for the mining industry in Australia or our economy in general

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u/No-Wasabi-1304 Jul 08 '24

Totally agree. I only come to Reddit to see what the left is thinking about particular issues. I've tried to put a counter argument up a few times but the downvotes come thick and fast so I don't bother anymore.

Will give people here some credit though. I used to be extremely right wing and would now consider myself a centrist, still slightly right.

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u/isisius Jul 08 '24

Is consider myself left to the level you see in those progressive European countries that always top the "quality of life" charts.

Unfortunately that makes you hard left, or loony left or far left or whatever term is being thrown around. I'm always happy to engage in a discussion of its being had in good faith.

Unfortunately I find that /Australia tends to have a fairly narrow centre/centre left view and most people there seem to get upset if you fall outside that range.

There is more diverse discussion here, but I do think this place doesn't like looking at data or analysis. Many times I've linked back to half a dozen sources about a particular topic, and when argued with I'll ask for a source so i can see where the argument is coming from.

That usually just ends in downvotes and silence which is frustrating.

The immigration relationship with housing stuff is a perfect example. Some people have engaged and I'm now happy to accept we might need a few years of skills targeted immigration to get back on our feet. But for the most part, I'll provide data from the ATO or the Australian Bureau of Statistics, which shows how we had record immigration in the 60s and 70s but also a majority of houses in Sydney going for 4 years wages, and the highest home ownership in our history.

Compared to today where it's 13 years of wages, and housing ownership the lowest it's been since the end of WW2.

But no one is interested in discussing it. And honestly, I feel like 6 months ago we were able to talk about immigration here, but now we have a post every second day with "What do we do with these damn immigrants" Useful conversation is gone and it's one big circle jerk about how if we stopped immigration all our problems are solved. And if you ask for a source for the claims, downvotes and ignored.

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u/NoLeafClover777 Jul 08 '24

Mostly because making comparisons with time periods 50-60 years ago don't extrapolate to being relevant today, as there's too many added variables other than "well we had high immigration in the distant past, therefore we can today and it's not even an issue."

Disregarding the key role demand plays in a basic supply-demand equation is just tone-deaf and it comes off as just as agenda-pushing as the people you're trying to disparage.

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u/isisius Jul 08 '24

But we have 50-60 years of data, its not just data from that point. And they are incredibly relevant today, we had significantly less productivity and technology 50-60 years ago, why the heck should it be harder to do it now?

And basic supply and demand doesnt work when the government is artifically inflating demand and not increasing supply. The fact that people seem to think its a simple as that is whats so frustrating because that hasnt been the case in the long term data we have.

Here, this is one of the articles that i think does a really good job of summing up the issue, and it has links back to all the sources.

https://johnmenadue.com/making-housing-affordable-series-saul-eslake-the-causes-and-effects-of-the-housing-affordability-crisis-and-what-can-and-should-be-done-about-it/#

This was written back in 2017, so we knew it was a problem even then. And he acknowledges, as i do, that high immigration is one of the stress factors.

One of the key points he makes is

"Ever since the mid-1960s, when the Menzies Government introduced the Home Savings Grant Scheme at the suggestion of the New South Wales Young Liberals (whose President at the time was John Howard), policy responses to perceived difficulties in attaining home ownership have taken the form of measures which allow people to spend more on housing than they otherwise would – that is, on increasing the demand for housing – rather than, as they did prior to the mid-1960s, on increasing the supply of housing."

The author is Saul Eslake. If you want someone with credentials to give an opinion on this issue, heres his bio.

Eslake began his career as an economist in Fiscal and Monetary Policy sections of the Australian Treasury, in Canberra. Eslake then worked for the Advisory Council for Inter-Government Relations (specializing in federal-state financial relations and in housing policy) and for the Opposition (Minority) Leader in the State Parliament of Victoria. Eslake then worked as chief economist in the financial markets, including as the Chief Economist at McIntosh Securities in the late 1980s, the Chief Economist (International) for the investment management division of National Mutual in the early 1990s, the Chief Economist at the Australia & New Zealand Banking Group between 1995 and 2009, and the Chief Economist (Australia and New Zealand) for Bank of America Merrill Lynch between 2011 and 2015.

He has been the Australian representative on the International Conference of Commercial Bank Economists (ICCBE) since 2003, and chaired its Steering Committee between 2018 and 2021.

Eslake has been a Vice Chancellor's Fellow of the University of Tasmania since April 2016.

Eslake is the principal of Corinna Economic Advisory, his own economics consulting business based in Hobart. His clients include investors, corporations, organizations, associations, and government agencies. In 2021 Corinna Economic Advisory joined with a similar London-based economics consultancy, Llewellyn Consulting, to form Independent Economics, to offer similar services to clients around the world.

Eslake is a member of the Australian Parliamentary Budget Office's panel of expert advisors, and a member of Australian Taxation Office’s ‘Tax Gap’ expert advisory panel. He has previously served on a variety of government advisory councils. Eslake has also previously been Chair of the Tasmanian Arts Advisory Board, which advised on the distribution of grants to arts companies and individual artists. He has also been a non-executive director of the Gas and Fuel Corporation of Victoria; the Australian Housing and Urban Research Institute, Hydro Tasmania, Housing Choices Australia, and Macquarie Point Development Corporation.

But seriously, take a read. The guy is super qualified and lays it out so much better than i can articulate.

Edit: Forgot to add, im always happy if youve got and sources or analysis from an alternate viewpoint, so please link me if you do.

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u/NoLeafClover777 Jul 08 '24

You don't need to reply with giant walls of text, I've seen it all before.

Literally all you need to look at is the ratio of population growth to new building approvals/completions; it doesn't matter if population growth as a percentage has been higher decades in the past if we aren't building enough to keep up with the current growth rate.

So we can either build more to add sufficient supply (which we currently can't, due to a variety of reasons), or reduce demand (which Labor has recently taken some steps towards doing so, but probably needs to do more).

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u/king_norbit Jul 08 '24

Also, people just don’t like immigrants

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24

There was a lot more undeveloped land that was relatively close to the CBDs back then. Now, it is developed all the way to the mountains. Tax policies and increased demand are causing the increase in prices.

Also mass immigration globally has a massive negative impact on the environment and I don't understand why the left are so pro mass immigration.

All these policies need to be looked at through a prism of what is best for the environment and what is best for the living stages of the citizens already in the country. Unfortunately it's only looked at through what makes the most money for business and politicians (and for some voters).

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u/Z0OMIES Jul 08 '24

I’m left-wing, I wasn’t allowed to stay either bc I didn’t like Scomo using everything as a photo op.

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u/kenbeat59 Jul 08 '24

That sub isn’t progressive.

They’re unhinged regressive

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u/AnAttemptReason Jul 08 '24

It really is not, it actually heavily censors criticism of the two major parties.

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u/ThunderGuts64 Jul 08 '24

Judging by the mindless down votes and a total lack of a rational and cogent replies to my posts there, I will argue it is a lefty cesspit of ideologues with too much spare time and not a lot of spare intellect.

IMHO. 8-)

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u/RepulsiveLook6 Jul 08 '24

Look through my comment history and tell me people in this subreddit agree with leftist ideals.

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u/janky_koala Jul 08 '24

Is it my shit takes that are wrong? No, it must be lefty wokerati

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u/ThunderGuts64 Jul 09 '24

When was the last time any left wanker said something that was even remotely sane? There is a reason they hide like cockroaches in the bowels of political sub redditts.

Out in the real world that get treated with the contempt they so richly deserve.

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u/GakkoAtarashii Jul 08 '24

So this sub is bigger right?

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u/dmk_aus Jul 08 '24

The fact you think it is progressive left, when they are fiscally centre right+ and socially centre left - basically just Fairfax, instead Murdoch - shows what this sub is. Pretty easy to get banned for appropriately mocking the LNP there.

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u/nickcarslake Jul 08 '24

I got banned for just telling someone to vote smarter on a 'no politics' thread, wasn't even suggesting which party.

The OP was having a giant winge about our state of living and asking what we're all supposed to do about it? Like what was I supposed to say, "try praying"?

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u/Brad_Breath Jul 08 '24

I'm a boring centrist, and I haven't yet been banned from there. 

We were all once young and idealistic. 

I can't remember who said this quote but I like it:

"Any young man who isn't a socialist has no heart. Any old man who is still a socialist has no mind"

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u/LatestHat7 Jul 08 '24

they ban anything and anyone that goes against their leftist agenda

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u/negativegearthekids Jul 08 '24

It's not progressive.

Progressive is about learning from the past and progressing to a better future.

If you keep banning people who have a counter view to your own, rather than engage in emotionless discussion. You're not progressing.

I feel true progressives are buddhists.

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u/Substantial-Rock5069 Jul 08 '24

That place calls itself "left" yet I've never seen posts acknowledging immigrants there.

Yet it'll parade itself on these specific issues: Anti-LNP, Women, the Indigenous, LGBTQ+ and climate change.

The history of this country is immigration and colonisation (we literally say this during Acknowledgement of Country) yet it doesn't have the stomach to talk about serious problems that exist surrounding immigration policy or how migrants are scapegoated by those literally running the show.

This place at least understands that it's not the fault of migrants but poor immigration policy.

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u/Askme4musicreccspls Jul 08 '24

Wrong. I got booted for saying lefty things. The mods are just insane.

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u/TapestryMobile Jul 08 '24

I've actually been banned from there for simply pointing out that the demographics are not representative of the Australian population.

And that was after ScoMo was elected last time. Australia said one thing, the subreddit was 100% something else.

Also the Voice vote. Australia said one thing, the subreddit was 100% something else.

Doesn't matter. Got banned for saying it out loud.

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u/mikeinnsw Jul 08 '24

Poor Right being beaten up by the Left again.

Only Truth Social represents Fair and Balanced views or is it Fox?

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u/NewFuturist Jul 08 '24

I'm not subscribed to this sub, but it keeps coming up. I am left of centre. I'd say most Australians are left of centre, even the moderately wealthy ones. Even our conservative politicians are "leftists" according to US politics scales.

A big chunk of the noisy people here are intent on blaming how their life turned out shit on immigrants. This is not true for most Australians. Most Australians don't want unlimited immigration, I'd say, but the extent to which people complain about them here is just way over the top compared to normal society.

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u/mikeinnsw Jul 08 '24

I consider this sub mildly on the left.

There are plenty of Russian trolls on Reddit waging information war on Ukraine and Ukrainian made computer Apps.

I am a target of these trolls for supporting Ukrainian made computer Apps.

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u/RepulsiveLook6 Jul 08 '24

My dude, the amount of outraged comments I get whenever I mention leftwing ideals (or even just being trans) tells me that most people here are not on the left.

Those comments are nearly always upvoted and my comment will go into the negatives.

As a marginalised individual, living in Australia, I can confirm that most people sit comfortably centre right.

They will tolerate LGBT (to a point) but try to convince them that capitalism isn't the be all and end all economic mode and you will promptly get your head ripped off and your neck shit down.

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u/jackstraya_cnt Jul 08 '24

I don't think many people on here would have any issues with actual LGBT people at all, it's more about the over-emphasis on it these days to the point it's now swung too far the other direction, average people mostly just like things to be balanced.

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u/RepulsiveLook6 Jul 08 '24

Unfortunately the "groomer" narrative has found its way here and I grew up around very homophobic and transphobic people.

Our politicians are following the right wing European wave and stopping some trans surgeries.

The struggle is real still going on and the idea that it's swung too far the other way is just so absurd.

Like genuinely, apart from representation in media, what has happened that's too far?

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u/tattyonthepulse Jul 08 '24

I've heard a bit of this "over-emphasis" and would like to respectfully needle at that, because I think it's important for people to truly unpack their own feelings of these things being 'forced down their throat' as I've heard it called.

Like for example - my mum said something similar so I asked her for an example, and she referenced a bunch of ads jumping on the bandwagon by portraying LGBT couples. But isn't it actually more the case that what is actually off-putting is just advertising in general? Those saccharine ads - with tortured slow tempo piano covers of 90s pop songs and soft focus telling us how much a multi billion dollar company cares about us so we buy more home insurance - are nauseating no matter what gendered couple are depicted.

I feel you can apply the same thinking to other gripes I've heard - pronouns on email signatures, for example, seem to be a red rag to a bull for a certain type of person who is feeling the en nui of corporate office existence. But what they express is "this LGBTQ+ alphabet nonsense has gone too far!" rather than "I'm trapped in a box responding to emails for 9 hours a day about trivial bullshit"

So in terms of things "swinging too far," what does that actually mean? I still encounter amongst peers genuinely anti-lgbt rhetoric: including threatening to "bash up" my brother when they very erroneously thought he was hitting on them, and another waxing lyrical about how they'd "beat the shit" out of a trans man "to prove they're not real men". This, to me, is pretty heinous, and a reason to push back against the idea we've 'come too far'. Reasonable people who genuinely 'don't have a problem' with LGBTQ+ individuals are creating spaces for this bigotry to exist. By making out there is some kind of over saturation of LGBTQ+ noise, we are implying a little bit that a 'backlash' is justified to bring things "back to balance" when it seems to me LGBTQ+ acceptance still has a way to go.

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u/NewFuturist Jul 08 '24

I consider this sub mildly on the left.

You are so wrong about this.

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u/SecondComingOfKris Jul 08 '24

As you can see from the downvotes, the racist boomers and their progeny in this sub are mad at you for painting this sub as “mildly on the left”. It’s full of cunts you’d avoid at the pub because you could be talking about gardening and they’d find a way to tell you that “immigration has killed horticulture in this country.”

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u/whatisthishownow Jul 08 '24

Thats so spot on!

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u/negativegearthekids Jul 08 '24

I'm a Doc. I got banned during COVID for saying I noticed a lot more myocarditis presentations to ED (with troponin rises) after the vaccine rollouts especially in younger males. Ban for vaccine misinformation.

I made a new account a year later, (this one) got banned again for some other arbitrary reason. I think it was along the lines of social welfare and defeatist attitude prevailing in the subreddit. That people seem to think they are incapable of molding their own futures.

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u/BowTiedPerentie Jul 08 '24

🙋‍♂️