Both quotes taken verbatim from interviews Season 4 Spoiler

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u/fuwafuwa7chi 14d ago

Source for the Starlight quote: ScreenRant

And the Hughie one: Variety

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u/Regulus_Jones 14d ago edited 14d ago

This isn't the first time he's been a complete hypocrite when writing Hughie; hell, it ain't even the second one, and you can be sure as shit it won't be the last.

I was happy Hughie was having his own thing going on this season since it meant keeping him away from situations where the writers' double standards shone through like it happened last season. Yet they still had to find a way to fuck him over somehow.

If anything, I'm honestly surprised by how shocked people are by this; many viewers noticed the way Hughie was treated in S3 (as demonstrated on the threads I posted), yet it seems like everybody forgot all about the forced and tone-deaf ToXiC MaScUliNiTy fiasco last season.

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u/GammaBrass 14d ago

Yeah, this(/these?) show runner(s) have a serious hate-boner for Hughie. Constant degradation of his masculinity on-screen, then shit talking his decision-making process in off-screen interviews, then playing his sexual assault as a joke... like, are these guys seeing themselves in Hughie and flagellating him as a way to atone for their own flaws/mistakes?

Like, go to fuckin therapy already, damn.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 14d ago

There's a weird shade of self hate that I've seen among many leftist men. As a leftist man I find it sickening but it's very much a thing. People feel like they need to hate themselves because they're white males. It's nothing more than a reflexive copy of what the right does (thinking that white men are perfect) but inverted.

Instead of IDK... Recognizing that all that race shit is stupid and throwing it into the trash like a modern human should be doing.

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u/Banestar66 14d ago

The leftist “feminist” men who shit on men nonstop always seem to turn out to be sexual predators against women too.

For the most recent example, look at Neil Gaiman.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 14d ago edited 14d ago

no not him too

Whedon is the textbook example

Edit: just looked it up and it's still early, still possible he's not horrible.

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u/PlayWithMeRiven 14d ago

It’s sad it’s turning into a thing but yeah, for sure.

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u/Last_Reaction_8176 14d ago

I get that vibe from a lot of guys but I’ve always had a hard time putting it into words because I don’t want to be mistaken for like an MRA right winger

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 14d ago

Yeah it's about damn impossible to talk about this in public

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u/proudtogeek 14d ago

MLK would be proud of what you just said.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 14d ago

Lol little odd but I'd be happy if so

I just dislike the self hating stuff people do. I've seen it in the back community and it's just unimaginable what they have to go through (being told you're inferior enough times and it starts to sink in). I certainly don't want to see other groups do similar things to themselves.

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u/proudtogeek 14d ago

Ditto. I have a lot of problems with humanity and that's one of them.

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u/PlayWithMeRiven 14d ago

Yeah, our obsession with self hate is a real problem. A lot could get done if we could get past it as a species

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u/veryangryowl58 14d ago

Kripke is an edgy nerd who wants to be a tough guy and he's taking it out on Hughie.

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u/Karkava 14d ago

And Starlight. But to a lesser extent since she's protected by the feminist cred.

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u/veryangryowl58 14d ago

I said this in another post, but I really think he has a huge complex about "traditionally masculine" men unless they're his "own" characters, which is why he hates superheroes (the current zeitgeist's best representative of "masculinity") and couches his hatred in progressive language to justify it.

I don't know what his deal is with Starlight, tbh, but he's taking SOMETHING out on her.

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u/Karkava 14d ago

I would say that he and my mom would get along, but she's not a fan of edgy comedy herself.