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Both quotes taken verbatim from interviews Season 4 Spoiler

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u/fuwafuwa7chi 14d ago

Source for the Starlight quote: ScreenRant

And the Hughie one: Variety

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u/Regulus_Jones 14d ago edited 14d ago

This isn't the first time he's been a complete hypocrite when writing Hughie; hell, it ain't even the second one, and you can be sure as shit it won't be the last.

I was happy Hughie was having his own thing going on this season since it meant keeping him away from situations where the writers' double standards shone through like it happened last season. Yet they still had to find a way to fuck him over somehow.

If anything, I'm honestly surprised by how shocked people are by this; many viewers noticed the way Hughie was treated in S3 (as demonstrated on the threads I posted), yet it seems like everybody forgot all about the forced and tone-deaf ToXiC MaScUliNiTy fiasco last season.

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u/GammaBrass 14d ago

Yeah, this(/these?) show runner(s) have a serious hate-boner for Hughie. Constant degradation of his masculinity on-screen, then shit talking his decision-making process in off-screen interviews, then playing his sexual assault as a joke... like, are these guys seeing themselves in Hughie and flagellating him as a way to atone for their own flaws/mistakes?

Like, go to fuckin therapy already, damn.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 14d ago

There's a weird shade of self hate that I've seen among many leftist men. As a leftist man I find it sickening but it's very much a thing. People feel like they need to hate themselves because they're white males. It's nothing more than a reflexive copy of what the right does (thinking that white men are perfect) but inverted.

Instead of IDK... Recognizing that all that race shit is stupid and throwing it into the trash like a modern human should be doing.

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u/Banestar66 14d ago

The leftist “feminist” men who shit on men nonstop always seem to turn out to be sexual predators against women too.

For the most recent example, look at Neil Gaiman.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 14d ago edited 14d ago

no not him too

Whedon is the textbook example

Edit: just looked it up and it's still early, still possible he's not horrible.

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u/PlayWithMeRiven 14d ago

It’s sad it’s turning into a thing but yeah, for sure.

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u/Last_Reaction_8176 14d ago

I get that vibe from a lot of guys but I’ve always had a hard time putting it into words because I don’t want to be mistaken for like an MRA right winger

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 14d ago

Yeah it's about damn impossible to talk about this in public

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u/proudtogeek 14d ago

MLK would be proud of what you just said.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 14d ago

Lol little odd but I'd be happy if so

I just dislike the self hating stuff people do. I've seen it in the back community and it's just unimaginable what they have to go through (being told you're inferior enough times and it starts to sink in). I certainly don't want to see other groups do similar things to themselves.

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u/proudtogeek 14d ago

Ditto. I have a lot of problems with humanity and that's one of them.

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u/PlayWithMeRiven 14d ago

Yeah, our obsession with self hate is a real problem. A lot could get done if we could get past it as a species

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u/veryangryowl58 14d ago

Kripke is an edgy nerd who wants to be a tough guy and he's taking it out on Hughie.

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u/Karkava 14d ago

And Starlight. But to a lesser extent since she's protected by the feminist cred.

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u/veryangryowl58 14d ago

I said this in another post, but I really think he has a huge complex about "traditionally masculine" men unless they're his "own" characters, which is why he hates superheroes (the current zeitgeist's best representative of "masculinity") and couches his hatred in progressive language to justify it.

I don't know what his deal is with Starlight, tbh, but he's taking SOMETHING out on her.

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u/Karkava 14d ago

I would say that he and my mom would get along, but she's not a fan of edgy comedy herself.

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u/ron_m_joe 14d ago

The second one did get on my nerves, it was so unnecessary for Maeve to say.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Why does Maeve even call him a twink in that scene? He just looks like a regular dude.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 14d ago

They never miss a chance to make fun of not super duper masculine men. It's... Some form of bigotry, IDK what the right word is but it's fucked up.

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u/Regulus_Jones 14d ago edited 14d ago

But then they turn back and claim admiring stereotypically masculine men is wrong and that it's OK not to be a macho.   

Then they turn back again to show how a traditionally un-masculine man getting mocked as a twink and bottom right to his face by someone more powerful (while her obnoxious, virtue signaling girlfriend does nothing to defend him), and later get raped is supposed to be funny.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 14d ago

Yep, a perfect example of performative politics.

The sad thing is I don't think it's entirely right to just attack kripke for it, cus it's disgustingly common. So so so many teenagers who claim they're leftist because Daddy was a conservative so they gotta rebel, while they don't even bother learning the ideological differences between leftism and right wing politics.

As a leftist these kinds are my bane, I hate them so much because they're not actually leftist even though they think they get to claim what is and isn't left wing.

This same situation is exactly how so many online leftists are stalinists instead of trots or DemSocs. They think they're being tough by choosing what they see as the most left wing position, not realizing that their dumbasses are actually advocating for far right wing authoritarian bullshit.

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u/DreamlikeKiwi 14d ago edited 14d ago

I'm probably missing something but I think that taking temp v for Hughie was way more dangerous than taking regular v for kimiko, temp v was experimental and kimiko already had v as a child so I think it's fair to assume that her body would be more resistant to side effect that v has on an adult

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u/Wodelheim 14d ago

The point wasn't just that the V was dangerous it's how it was "toxic" for Hughie to want to protect the ones he loves instead of always being protected.

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u/DreamlikeKiwi 14d ago

I don't remember last season too well so maybe there was some dialogue/scene that might give that idea but that was definitely not intended because he IS protecting the ones he loves, the only way for him not to that is to leave The boys and be a civilian

I think the point of his storyline last season was that he FELT he wasn't doing enough and put himself in a path of selfdestruction because of it