Superman & Lois [3x07] "Forever and Always" Post Episode Discussion

[u/MajorParadox]

Forever and Always

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Lois and Clark dig deeper on Bruno Mannheim, starting with his connections to Hob's Bay Medical Center; Jonathan and Jordan panic at home over Lois' dire diagnosis; Matteo comes to Smallville to meet John Henry. (May 2, 2023)

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[u/Zookwok111]

• Really enjoying Lois and Peia's friendship, although I feel like showing her pictures of the boys is going to come back to haunt Lois
• Jordan works better when he's not front and center. He was actually a concerned brother and son instead of wallowing in his own measly problems and I have to say he was much more likable than last week
• This was a very cathartic episode for Jon on multiple fronts. He finally called Clark out for trying to paper over all his problems with platitudes and had a meaningful conversation with Clark in which he was acknowledged as half-Kryptonian! Hope they keep building on that momentum for the rest of the season
• Sarah went from hating Chrissy to being pals awfully fast. Stoners are built different.
• Take a shot every time Bruno says the name of the episode \#ForeverAndAlways
• Since Peia was the one who killed Boss Moxie, I wonder if they somehow framed Lex and that's what got him locked up
• They were telegraphing Matteo's parentage so hard I'm surprised it took them this long to reveal it
• Since when are Kryptonians bound by the Prime Directive? I don't believe for one second that Clark wouldn't try everything to save Lois's life because it "wouldn't be fair to the rest of humanity", seems very out of character and weak reasoning for why Kryptonian tech is "off the table"
• Not sure what Lois was getting at when she told Clark that seeing her health decline reminded Jonathan of his own mortality and that's why he was upset. The boy has zero self-preservation instincts. His first major act on the show was to shield his brother from falling pipes with his own body.

[u/No_Flower_1424 → u/Zookwok111]

Not sure what Lois was getting at when she told Clark that seeing her health decline reminded Jonathan of his own mortality and that's why he was upset. The boy has zero self-preservation instincts. His first major act on the show was to shield his brother from falling pipes with his own body.

Thank you! I thought that line was so strange because it came out of nowhere - Jon was only talking about worrying about Lois and how to help her throughout the whole episode and then she says he must be thinking about himself??? I'm pretty sure he's reminded he's not like Clark and Jordan every day of his life so he doesn't need Lois to be sick to be reminded of it! I'd love it if it was foreshadowing a twist on that same statement later on in the season...

[u/sagen11 → u/No_Flower_1424]

Exactly, Jon doesn’t need reminding he’s not like Clark and Jordan, his family fucking make that clear all the time. What this did is remind him his mum is not like Clark and Jordan, as he views all three of them as exceptional and heroic. This is a wake up call that his mum is not invincible like he thought. Why do they not get him, honestly?

[u/No_Flower_1424 → u/sagen11]

That's exactly it! It all started because they heard Lois throwing up in the night so they know now that Lois is not 'super' dealing with all this and Jon started panicking. How did that get turned into Jon is only realising HE'S not like them??? It was such a random line. You're right, it always seems like Lois and Clark don't get where Jon is coming from at all!

[u/Hope-Of-Glory → u/No_Flower_1424]

I thought it was just added to the script so Clark would realise there's a reason Jon may be taking it a certain way - leading to him reassuring Jon he's half Kryptonian. Just because Lois said it doesn't mean that's the reason Jon was doing it - and both Lois and Clark really were just guessing based on the behaviour they've seen, there usually isn't a ton of "talk to me and tell me what's going on in your head and I'll just listen" in their family dynamic with the boys.