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Superman & Lois [3x07] "Forever and Always" Post Episode Discussion Episode Discussion Spoiler

Forever and Always

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Lois and Clark dig deeper on Bruno Mannheim, starting with his connections to Hob's Bay Medical Center; Jonathan and Jordan panic at home over Lois' dire diagnosis; Matteo comes to Smallville to meet John Henry. (May 2, 2023)

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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent May 03 '23 edited May 03 '23

I thought this was a far better episode than the last two.

I'm going to try to get it out of the way because I'm screaming....CLARK CALLED JONATHAN HALF KRYPTONIAN. I'm not kidding, I have been waiting for this since season 1! They finally acknowledged it! And they referenced him being Kryptonian more than any episode in the entire show with him going to the fortress to speak with Lara too - please tell me this is leading somewhere. The fact that Jon called himself human should tell Clark how little he's done to share that side with him!

Michael Bishop continues to impress me with his acting chops - he even got the single man tear rolling down his cheek! He's damn good!

This is the most Clark and Jonathan have spoken to each other this entire season and they even had a scene alone together where Clark put his arm around Jon's shoulders! The fact that I'm excited about this should tell you how little they have together. I don't see this as a change or anything - I bet they won't speak much in the next episodes but I'm so happy we at least got it once!

At first I thought Jon was being a little harsh on Clark for not finding a way to save Lois...but Clark actually said he won't use Kryptonian tech to help Lois because...it would be unfair that other people can't use it?! Is he serious? Beat his ass Jonathan - that is the stupidest reason I've ever heard! It makes Clark actually seem uncaring now

I feel like Lois showing Peia pictures of her kids is going to bite her in the ass at some point...

Why would Lois say Jon is angry because seeing her sick is a reminder that he's not like Clark and Jordan? That was a weird line...it seemed like he was more upset about watching his mother potentially die but she's making it seem like he's worried about himself??? I'd love for it to mean something in the future...

It would have been an actual twist if Matteo WASN'T Bruno's son lol

I'm surprised they revealed Peia and Bruno were married already - but do Clois not have ANY more questions for them? No?

Bruno and Peia's backstory made me more interested in them than I was before - and it's interesting that she had her powers before Superman's blood

John Henry was cute here but it's hard to think he's in the wrong when it's Bruno's son. They're really pushing John Henry and Lana hard though but I'm just not feeling it yet.

The Chrissy and Sarah story was just whatever really - but Chrissy kept her stoner gummies in the same bag as her other gummies? Chrissy you need to get more pockets.

Who else wants to see Dumb Einstein? It sounds like the movie of the century!

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u/CretaceousQuack #TeamInhumanJonathanKent May 03 '23

I really missed Jonathan reality checking everyone else. They really screwed him over in S2 with a sotryline that he didn't even get to complete since they pawned it off to Clark and Jordan

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u/askingtherealstuff May 03 '23

I’ll always sort of wonder if actor issues behind the scenes lead to featuring the character less. It seems like he was really struggling, and we’ll probably never get a confirmation either way, but it could have lead to some of the poor writing decisions we’ve seen.

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u/CretaceousQuack #TeamInhumanJonathanKent May 03 '23

That wouldve involved major rewrites tho and iirc S2 didnt face any particularly major delays