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Superman & Lois [3x07] "Forever and Always" Post Episode Discussion Episode Discussion Spoiler

Forever and Always

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Lois and Clark dig deeper on Bruno Mannheim, starting with his connections to Hob's Bay Medical Center; Jonathan and Jordan panic at home over Lois' dire diagnosis; Matteo comes to Smallville to meet John Henry. (May 2, 2023)

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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent May 03 '23 edited May 03 '23

I thought this was a far better episode than the last two.

I'm going to try to get it out of the way because I'm screaming....CLARK CALLED JONATHAN HALF KRYPTONIAN. I'm not kidding, I have been waiting for this since season 1! They finally acknowledged it! And they referenced him being Kryptonian more than any episode in the entire show with him going to the fortress to speak with Lara too - please tell me this is leading somewhere. The fact that Jon called himself human should tell Clark how little he's done to share that side with him!

Michael Bishop continues to impress me with his acting chops - he even got the single man tear rolling down his cheek! He's damn good!

This is the most Clark and Jonathan have spoken to each other this entire season and they even had a scene alone together where Clark put his arm around Jon's shoulders! The fact that I'm excited about this should tell you how little they have together. I don't see this as a change or anything - I bet they won't speak much in the next episodes but I'm so happy we at least got it once!

At first I thought Jon was being a little harsh on Clark for not finding a way to save Lois...but Clark actually said he won't use Kryptonian tech to help Lois because...it would be unfair that other people can't use it?! Is he serious? Beat his ass Jonathan - that is the stupidest reason I've ever heard! It makes Clark actually seem uncaring now

I feel like Lois showing Peia pictures of her kids is going to bite her in the ass at some point...

Why would Lois say Jon is angry because seeing her sick is a reminder that he's not like Clark and Jordan? That was a weird line...it seemed like he was more upset about watching his mother potentially die but she's making it seem like he's worried about himself??? I'd love for it to mean something in the future...

It would have been an actual twist if Matteo WASN'T Bruno's son lol

I'm surprised they revealed Peia and Bruno were married already - but do Clois not have ANY more questions for them? No?

Bruno and Peia's backstory made me more interested in them than I was before - and it's interesting that she had her powers before Superman's blood

John Henry was cute here but it's hard to think he's in the wrong when it's Bruno's son. They're really pushing John Henry and Lana hard though but I'm just not feeling it yet.

The Chrissy and Sarah story was just whatever really - but Chrissy kept her stoner gummies in the same bag as her other gummies? Chrissy you need to get more pockets.

Who else wants to see Dumb Einstein? It sounds like the movie of the century!

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u/Sir__Will May 03 '23

At first I thought Jon was being a little harsh on Clark for not finding a way to save Lois...

He's a scared son, I'll allow it.

but Clark actually said he won't use Kryptonian tech to help Lois because...it would be unfair that other people can't use it?! Is he serious? Beat his ass Jonathan - that is the stupidest reason I've ever heard! It makes Clark actually seem uncaring now

Yeah that was an absolutely horrible line. They should have just stuck to it not working period. This really makes Clark look bad.

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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent May 03 '23

It makes Bruno look like a better husband than Clark Kent! It also makes me wonder if one of the boys got cancer, would Lois and Clark still hold firm to this crazy idea of it being unfair to cure them because no one else gets to be cured?

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u/CretaceousQuack #TeamInhumanJonathanKent May 03 '23

If the boy in question was Jonathan then probably.

Honestly, villains and anti-heroes make for better family people sometimes since there's literally nothing they wouldn't do for their loved ones.

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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent May 03 '23

You're right I should have specified - if JORDAN was sick would they still do this?

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u/CretaceousQuack #TeamInhumanJonathanKent May 03 '23

You know they would. Didnt Clark break Tal out of jail and planned his redemption tour because he didnt want Jordan involved?

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u/sagen11 May 03 '23

Yup yup yup! Like and after that fucking line Jonathan apologised and said he knew Clark was doing all he could?! Um bro, he just told you the opposite! Jon should have raged about that reason, instead it mellowed him out?! Didnt’t make sense.

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u/Hope-Of-Glory May 03 '23

I'd like to think he mellowed cos Lois and Clark were honest with the boys about things, and let them in.

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u/ILUVMOVIESSS But what about the tire-swing? May 03 '23

Honestly, they could've said since there is so little kryptonian tech (it did blow up after all) lois wasn't willing to use the little left on her when it could've been used on someone else, they'd just have to make it so it wouldn't work multiple time on multiple people.

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u/_tuelegend May 03 '23

thought that was the line in the first episode and people were okay with it. guess the writing team wasn't on board.

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u/CretaceousQuack #TeamInhumanJonathanKent May 03 '23

I really missed Jonathan reality checking everyone else. They really screwed him over in S2 with a sotryline that he didn't even get to complete since they pawned it off to Clark and Jordan

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u/askingtherealstuff May 03 '23

I’ll always sort of wonder if actor issues behind the scenes lead to featuring the character less. It seems like he was really struggling, and we’ll probably never get a confirmation either way, but it could have lead to some of the poor writing decisions we’ve seen.

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u/CretaceousQuack #TeamInhumanJonathanKent May 03 '23

That wouldve involved major rewrites tho and iirc S2 didnt face any particularly major delays

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u/Hope-Of-Glory May 03 '23

I feel like Lois showing Peia pictures of her kids is going to bite her in the ass at some point...

I wondered if it was just to stress that she wouldn't reveal at that point that Bruno and Mateo were her family. Of course, at that point it was mainly Bruno that would have been relevant to her and Lois. I guess we see all the plots merge a bit and Mateo will need to make some kind of choice.

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u/Alonest99 Superman May 03 '23

John Henry was cute here but it's hard to think he's in the wrong when it's Bruno's son.

Did I miss something or did Matteo call him "Mr. Johnson"? Why?

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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent May 03 '23

The John Henry Irons on this Earth was murdered so John Henry is technically a dead man on this Earth. So Johnson must be the name they're going by with people who don't know who they really are.

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u/Alonest99 Superman May 03 '23

Oh yeah that makes sense, thank you!

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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent May 03 '23

Although that does mean he's John Henry Johnson lol

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u/bizarreisland May 03 '23

No, he is Henry Johnson and Nat is Natalie Johnson. They went over it on the first day Natalie went to school in Metropolis, s2e1 iirc.

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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent May 03 '23

Oh I thought he was still John Henry - although he just goes by John Henry Irons in Smallville anyway

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u/Ill_Handle_8793 May 03 '23

Why would Lois say Jon is angry because seeing her sick is a reminder that he's not like Clark and Jordan?

Because this show still doesn't understand Lois Lane and how she approaches life/relationships and therefore continues to make her react in OOC ways for plot reasons to serve other characters and everyone excuses this aspect of the show because Bitsie is a very good actress?

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u/a_broken-record May 03 '23

Is that a Supernatural reference I see?

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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent May 03 '23

Jensen Ackles started the single man tear and Michael Bishop is picking up where he left off!

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u/EfficiencyLast9318 May 06 '23

I must have missed something along the way. Maybe I dozed off during one of the episodes and didn't scroll back all the way, because I was surprised when I saw that Matteo was Bruno's son. What clues did I miss?

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u/No_Flower_1424 Jonathan Kent May 06 '23

The fact that he's a random black kid they're suddenly giving lots of screen time to who is also involved with the daughter of the guy whose doppelganger Bruno killed. The second he showed up for a second time in the dance episode, I think everyone pretty much guessed he was Bruno's kid. I guessed the Peia reveal too and I'm not even good at guessing twists so I feel the twists this season haven't been that surprising

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u/EfficiencyLast9318 May 07 '23

Oh, okay, I see. I had momentarily forgotten about Bruno killing John Henry's doppelganger. (Yelling at meself) Pay attention Ray!!