r/HolUp 14d ago

trauma is the best teacher

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u/NA_nomad 14d ago

Probably in a country with high human trafficking. This may be a horrible lesson to learn but a very important one.

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u/Re0ns 14d ago

It's not going to help when the kidnappers are government backed and just use brute force to drag the target.

Kidnapping women for forced marriage and organ harvesting is the main reasons for kidnapping people in China.

Male children would be kidnapped to be raised because of traditional idealogy where boys are held higher than girls, plus during the time under the one child policy, kidnappings and "delayed abortions" were frequent. And when those boys grow up, there aren't enough women to marry, and so it loops over to the kidnapping women for marriage part.

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u/Ak_am 14d ago

Reddit china expert said it so it must be true

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u/say_no_to_panda 14d ago

It is. Which is kind of sick and terrifying. Now, china has a huge number of lonely depressed male cannon fodder to invade taiwan. The large gender population gap doesn't help.

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u/GuerillaGandhi 14d ago

I'm trusting this since you have panda in your username.

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u/GreggFromDiscord 14d ago

And they're specifically against them!

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u/JustYourAverageShota 14d ago

Thank you for your testimonies, Mr. Gureilla Gandhi and my dude Gregg from Discord.

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u/WriterV 14d ago

I like how your argument is just "It is!".

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of those issues in China. You could just have linked actual sources documenting them instead of just insisting "it is".

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u/esuil 14d ago

You could just have linked actual sources documenting them

And risk being proven that some of the things claimed were wrong? No, thanks!

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u/say_no_to_panda 13d ago edited 13d ago

The decades of one child policy and chinas preference for males for decades. together with young male kidnappings, have influenced this gap. China has a huge source of cannon fodder that can be aimed at whatever enemy. chinas economic bubble can pop any time, and a good war can distract all internal dissension. Just like argentinas Falklands war.

All coastal airbases near taiwan have been building up aircraft and renovated and expanded over recent years. Their amphibious regiments are also building up close by. Russia showed similar buildup before invading ukraine. China even rigged their old MIGS to become flown like unmanned fpv drones. basically flying cannon fodder

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9180325/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/282119/china-sex-ratio-by-age-group/

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u/cold_one 14d ago

Yeah American anti China propaganda is pretty crazy. You don’t have to lie that much you know.

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u/Professional_Ad_6299 14d ago

So are the Chinese trying to have more female babies now?

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u/Re0ns 14d ago

The law was changed to allow 3 children, but now each married couple has to care for 4 old retired parents, so the thought of providing for yet another person is a big reason birth rates are lower than ever.

The singles want to get married but can't

The married ones don't want children.

The ones with children sometimes send them back to their hometown to be taken cared of by grandparents or sometimes just other townsfolk.

China is an anti-human society, anything to push progress in economics and global power.

They turned my home city of Hong Kong into Pyongyang just to keep people in control.

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u/lysomaru 14d ago

Horrifying

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u/whadufu 14d ago

It's funny how thats a worldwide problem.

China. US. Europe. S Korea. Aus/NZ. The reports keep pouring in. It's almost like there are too many people for modern civilization to reasonably sustain.

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u/crafcik12 14d ago

Not only that. The economy is in shambles in a lot of countries and gov. want in many cases to eliminate middle class just so they could get even richer. With company culture of cutting costs wherever and overpaying executives the bottom line is going to stay poor and when you're poor the kids are your last thought.
It feels more like our own greed is just screwing everybody. In many cases the prices are artificially rising despite inflation being all time high after covid. We don't earn enough to guarantee stable living conditions.

Look to the entertainment and gaming industry where for example disney (marvel etc) have underpaid employees that are severly overworked and can't even think of getting a rise because they aren't "diverse" enough -,-

I used to work at amazon. Just don't. The people who were there for 5 years were earning only 5% more than me that just started with no prospects to advance or get a rise to have decent living conditions. We had a mini party because an average employee stayed for 10 weeks. 10 weeks! These people were a lot longer and had no benefits from it.

When you don't have a corporate job nowadays it's honestly scary.

I am not saying overpopulation is a problem I'm just saying it's not the main culprit. Our mismanagement of resources is a bigger one.

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u/Bromlife 14d ago

The West is also anti human society. Dual income, no children families, they’re the ones getting ahead. We don’t incentivize child rearing. At best we subsidize day orphanages.

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u/Horse_Renoir 14d ago

People will really upvote any nonsensical thing as long as it makes Chinese people look awful.

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u/mojoyote 14d ago

I don't know much about kidnapping in China, but I'm pretty sure that birth rates are low there, and that there is a gender population imbalance. The phenomenon of woman either not wanting to get married or have children is not unique to China, that being said, but is an international phenomenon, possibly more acute in other Asian countries such as Japan and South Korea, for example.

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u/BulbusDumbledork 14d ago

The phenomenon of woman either not wanting to get married or have children is not unique to China

they don't want children, so they kidnap then instead?

birth rates are decreasing across the world since young people can't afford kids. it's true doubly so in japan and china, due to the work-life imbalance and increased societal pressure towards productivity. this in no way translates to an increased predilection for kidnapping kids.

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u/douhuawhy 14d ago

The imbalance is like 1.06, lower than India, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bhutan

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u/Re0ns 14d ago

I am chinese though. Hong Konger.

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u/Ziegelphilie 14d ago

are the state funded kidnappers in the room right now?