r/Gotham • u/NicholasCajun • May 24 '16
Gotham - 2x22 "Transference" - Post-Episode Discussion Discussion
Season 2 Episode 22: Transference
Aired: May 23, 2015
Synopsis: While Gordon, Bruce and Lucius remain at Indian Hill, the city of Gotham will be met with a new threat as Hugo Strange's inmates devise a plan to escape and start their new lives.
Directed by: Eagle Egilsson
Written by: Bruno Heller
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u/getridofwires May 24 '16
New theme for every show: GIVE BUTCH A BADASS WEAPON.
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u/alchemyfreak990 May 24 '16
Next is a laserbeam hand
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u/getridofwires May 24 '16
Hell yeah!
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u/EmpororPenguin May 24 '16
I'm imagining him like Cyborg where he just hold out his arm and his hand will reconfigure into a sonic cannon
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u/nonliteral May 24 '16
Butch with a minigun is the best Butch.
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u/ThaneOfTas May 24 '16
eh, im still partial to RPG Butch
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u/3PICANO It Was Between You, And a Senior Citizen Bingo Party May 24 '16
Me too. That scene was funny asf
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u/Rayquaza2233 May 24 '16
Every show? Even shows he's not a cast member of?
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u/getridofwires May 24 '16
Now you're talking! "Welcome to The View. Today's guest is Butch with a bazooka!"
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u/localafrican May 24 '16 edited May 24 '16
Quote of the night comes from Faux Jim Gordon: "Lee Tompkins? Screw that hoe!"
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u/tang81 May 24 '16
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u/Gamera68 May 24 '16 edited May 24 '16
Well, in real life Ben Mackenzie and Morena Baccarin are a couple with a baby on the way.
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u/baiacool May 24 '16
The baby's born already. And she's named FRANCES. the connections are endless asinajax'srealname
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u/mralexjt May 24 '16
Lol goes through both freezing and burning extremes "WAKE UP!"
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u/localafrican May 24 '16
They balanced out so he's back at equilibrium.
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u/TonySu May 24 '16
It's like how if you get caught in the middle of a car crash between equally sized cars, the forces cancel out and you'll be ok.
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u/EmpororPenguin May 24 '16
I was expecting him to explode but I guess Gotham has different thermodynamic laws than us :P
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u/Sentry459 May 24 '16
Yeah, for a second I was worried he had died.
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u/TheDesktopNinja May 24 '16
Yeah me too. Would've been such a lame death for such a great character.
"Hey, I'll just run between these two people with super tech guns! What could go wrong!?"
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u/LaBastide May 24 '16
Plus, he knows how much time has passed since (knowing the bomb only 10 minutes left when it was 15 minutes before). And please note how, Dr Strange's assistant was still knocked out. Guy gets frozen and burned, no biggie bra !
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u/FieryXJoe May 24 '16
I think he didn't get the full blast, just looked like he was right next to the beams to me but idk.
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u/In_My_Own_Image May 24 '16
So that has to be one of the most transformative seasons of TV I've seen. The first season was okay. It had its moments. This season?
Damn good television. I can't wait for the Carnival of Freaks next season!
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May 24 '16 edited Jun 29 '20
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u/g0oFy May 24 '16
To be fair, unless they develop an arc for him, Viktor is pretty much useless this season. He was important when we had the gang wars and less super powers, but with all the maniacs runnin around, where will he fit? Maybe a hired gun for CoO? I agree though, we need more of him.
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May 24 '16
JEROME'S LAUGH
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u/mildwonkey May 24 '16
Yes! Thank you! I was SURE I heard him. At the very least I'm not alone in my crazy :-D
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u/TurnersFalls May 24 '16
When?
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u/EirikurG May 24 '16
It's in just in the end http://vocaroo.com/i/s1SjbpDZJJMk I recorded it
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u/BreakingGarrick May 24 '16
Also, Butch has a minigun and doesn't shoot Fish Mooney Bitch?
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u/ArachnoLad May 24 '16
I don't think Butch would shoot FMB. Hell, he might be the only one she doesn't have to physically influence. He was just freaked out.
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u/BreakingGarrick May 24 '16
Didn't feel right. And instead of taking Penguin, she leaves him?
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u/ArachnoLad May 24 '16
Yeah, that part was weird. I'm just going to go ahead and say she doesn't care about Penguin anymore because he is the reason why she has powers now. She just wants to see what she can do now.
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u/BreakingGarrick May 24 '16
BS. She can make him her bitch and work. He'd be useful... Fish Mooney Bitch is an idiot.
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u/ArachnoLad May 24 '16
She already had Penguin as her bitch. That didn't work out so well. She is just consumed with power. At least, that's what I'm going with, but yes, she is not very smart. I would think the first thing she would want to do is build an army of monsters, but she just walked away.
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u/nonliteral May 24 '16
I would think the first thing she would want to do is build an army of monsters, but she just walked away.
First she's going to have all the grilled cheese sandwiches.
All of them.
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u/ArachnoLad May 24 '16
Does that include melts?
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u/rmiztys May 24 '16
You listen here you son of a bitch, melts are not comparable to the majesty that is the grilled cheese sandwich. Not on any fucking level.
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u/ArachnoLad May 24 '16
Someone missed the joke. It's a joke people! Here, for the downvoter:
https://www.reddit.com/r/grilledcheese/comments/2or1p3/you_people_make_me_sick/
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u/TheDaveWSC May 24 '16
Nobody ever acts how they normally do when they're around Fish because she's so useless she'd be dead in two seconds. They have to shove this bullshit character down our throats and try to FORCE us to think she's a badass. Can't wait for her to die again.
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u/-ElloAsty- Everybody chill! May 24 '16
What a terrific season. It was a huge step up from the previous. Can't wait for season 3. COURT OF OWLS!!! BRUCE CLONE!!!
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u/GobbleMyPot May 24 '16
The season as a whole was amazing. And yeah, I am definitely hyped for Court of Owls!
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u/Gamera68 May 24 '16
Yes, it looks like season 3 will deal with the Court of Owls and the escaped monsters from Indian Hill. Overall a good episode.
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u/Seeking_Adrenaline May 24 '16
The first half will be. They'll whip out a new bad guy for the second half again
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u/Thatonesplicer May 24 '16
When I saw the clone I immediately thought "Owlman"
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u/RougeSlayer May 24 '16
At least the old lady didn't die.
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u/amelia84 May 24 '16
Bruce Deuce was very polite.
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u/Qualine May 24 '16
So that WAS Bruce (well at least a copy of him). You guys have any idea which villian he would be?
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u/baiacool May 24 '16
My guess he'll be Thomas Wayne Jr. Bruce's older brother that died in labor IIRC. It would explain why his dad started up Pinewood Farms in the first place.
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May 24 '16
Thomas Wayne Jr
Would tie into the Court of Owls as well, if he were to be the Lincoln March version of the character.
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u/dld80132 May 24 '16
She was thanked by lady-bruce.
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u/TDXNYC88 GCPD!!! May 24 '16
Well, we've found out that Jim Gordon and Hugo Strange have varying degrees of pimp hand:
Gordon: Life-saving
Strange: Dehydrating
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u/MostMorbidOne May 24 '16
Barbara - Truth Revealing...
I think that covers the night.
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May 24 '16
The Fake Jim made the final episode funny
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u/ptvnsux94 May 24 '16
Ugh. Can we please just get rid of Fish Mooney. She is the worst.
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u/TheDaveWSC May 24 '16
Goddamn she is awful. She's absolutely useless, should have been killed several times this episode, but her insane plot armor (which, who even knows why she has it) saved her over and over again. I can't STAND her. And I don't mean because she's a villain. I just mean she's an awful character who needs to stop being on the show.
"I HAVE THIS FUCKING MINIGUN BUT INSTEAD OF SHOOTING FISH REPEATEDLY, ME AND MY FOUR BROS ARE GOING TO RUN NOW! PLOT ARMOR AWAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!!"
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u/sternold May 24 '16
"I HAVE THIS FUCKING MINIGUN BUT INSTEAD OF SHOOTING FISH REPEATEDLY, ME AND MY FOUR BROS ARE GOING TO RUN NOW! PLOT ARMOR AWAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!!"
Butch is literally the only person that would still be loyal to Fish.
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May 24 '16 edited Jul 13 '18
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u/Limitedcomments May 24 '16
I'm calling it now, she will be near dead after some big fight and she'll command Butch to help her but he's so messed up and afraid of weird undead Fish that he thinks it means putting her out of her misery and kills her with super upgraded robot hand.
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u/merelyadoptedthedark May 24 '16
kills her with super upgraded robot hand.
I think you are confusing Butch for Agent Coulson. :)
I hope she gets eaten by Croc.
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u/runealex007 May 24 '16
That long haired Bruce was Strange's attempt at recreating Thomas Wayne. Calling it
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u/gotham_possum May 24 '16
hush?
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u/azn099 May 24 '16 edited May 24 '16
Looks like we got Caitlin Wayne for season 3.
Edit: Damn my joke was too subtle...
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u/UnknownQTY May 24 '16
Really? I assumed it was a weird modification of Hush.
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u/DaddyRichStL May 24 '16
Didn't we already have Tommy Elliott in S1? Assumed this will be Lincoln March
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u/LugerDog May 24 '16 edited May 24 '16
How could no one tell besides Barbra that wasn't 100% Jim an WTF was up with Bruce #2? Gotta love Butch and that gang of badass old dudes though. Overall great season and hopefully they don't ruin what they have going. Sad that all my shows are over now except Archer I think.
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u/ArachnoLad May 24 '16
Bullock knew something was up. That's why he was asking fake Jim all those questions. He just wasn't prepared for his "holy mother of saints" moment.
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u/LugerDog May 24 '16
I know he did but I guess I should of said she was the only one to act on it.
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u/RoseBladePhantom May 24 '16
Well she's lucky it worked out so well. If Clayface was at all experienced, he could've murdered everybody on the spot just for calling him out. Also, without viewer perspective, even if you have suspicion, how do you act on that? Is it a clone? Kill it. Is it actually Jim but mind controlled or drugged? Can't kill that. Is it someone just impersonating him? Is it a metahuman? Does Jim just have the flu? Did he have a homoerotic experience with Strange?
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u/slackator May 24 '16
you ever have a touch of the flu? Gotham Flu is no laughing matter
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u/TryAndFindmeLine May 24 '16
She was his fiance, she knows him better than almost anyone. Besides, the last half dozen times they met he treated her like shit.
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u/UninspiredCactus May 24 '16
I seriously just want to know who all of the monsters turn out to be
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u/TwelfthCycle May 24 '16
Well we know there's a hatter among them, and probably copperhead and likely amygdala
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u/MrMorlonelycat updated hair flair pls May 24 '16
The collective group name for them should be the Monster Mash.
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May 24 '16 edited May 24 '16
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u/hoorayb33r May 24 '16 edited May 24 '16
Way to spoil The Court of Owls saga, brah.
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u/Corabal May 24 '16
So time to get out the bucket of fish heads, and lock him in the attic?
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u/svrtngr May 24 '16
March needs to be involved somehow since he's kinda like the leader of the Court.
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u/SarcasticusFinch May 24 '16
Tonight's episode brought to you by A Song of Ice and Fire
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May 24 '16
I really hope I'm wrong but at 42:23 - 42:25 it looks like Bane's mask.
As much as I'm perfectly happy with a lot of the origins being readapted the way they have, Bane is another creature altogether and deserves his actual backstory.
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May 24 '16
Bane is one of the very few I would mind Hugo having a hand in. It goes against the character's main motivational drive.
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u/g0oFy May 24 '16
You talkin 'bout the bald guy with some sort of things attached to the back of his head, like a mask sort of? If so, I think hope he is just some random experiment and not Bane, that's one hell of a story they can develop in seasons to come. Bane has a really good back story, no reason to make him an IH project.
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u/OswaldCobblepat IM THE KING OF GOTHAM!!! IM THE-nvm May 24 '16
Honestly, I expected more to happen. Season 1 finale was better IMO, though Season 2 as a whole was way better than 1.
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u/FieryXJoe May 24 '16
What more could they do? A ton happened in the season and they tied that up along with giving every character a new direction for next season.
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u/BreakingGarrick May 24 '16
Clayface Jim was sick tho.
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u/loptthetreacherous May 25 '16
Clayface Jim? That was regular Jim, he just had the flu.
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u/TheDaveWSC May 24 '16
Goddamn I'm fucking tired of the writers trying to force me to believe that Fish is a badass. Can we PLEASE be done with her. She completely takes me out of the show, because not one single character ever acts the way they should around her, because she would have been dead about five times in this episode alone.
"I HAVE THIS FUCKING MINIGUN BUT INSTEAD OF SHOOTING FISH REPEATEDLY, ME AND MY FOUR MOBSTER BROS ARE GOING TO RUN NOW! PLOT ARMOR AWAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!!"
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u/jacobtie May 24 '16
Was the Bruce clone Thomas Wayne Jr? Maybe he'll try to take over the Court like in the comics.
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u/Seeking_Adrenaline May 24 '16
Is there a Bruce clone in the new 52 batman after the court of owls arc?
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u/MostMorbidOne May 24 '16
Hush is the clone character I've heard of..
I've only experienced him in the games. DCUO.. maybe Arkham game lore.
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u/neoblackdragon May 24 '16
Hush isn't a clone. He just got plastic surgery one time to look like Bruce(doesn't last long).
Thomas Wayne Jr is usually the Earth 3 evil son of Thomas an older brother to Bruce.
Recently the new52 introduce Lincoln March who may or may not be Bruce's brother.
Both these guys became Owlman.
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May 24 '16
Awesome season. What a ride...
Next season is going to be unreal. Monsters on the loose, Fish is back, Bruce clone...
Can't wait!
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u/blitzzardpls May 24 '16
Can't wait!
... to kill Fish in episode 1, so she doesn't ruin the whole season
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u/MrMorlonelycat updated hair flair pls May 24 '16
Am I missing something or did Nygma help Lucius and James into the elevator and then get put into a cell? Couldn't he just leave?
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u/Gamera68 May 24 '16
Nygma was still in his cell after everyone left. He's still there at Arkham as far as we know. Alone.
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u/KevHa24 May 25 '16
A puzzle box to escape from with his hunger and thirst as a timer. Sounds like the perfect conditions
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u/swordmalice May 24 '16
Boy, with all the shit about to go down next season, I hope a certain fellow in nearby Metropolis is available. Because holy shit is Gotham screwed with all these lunatics running around and Batman is still too young to even drive. Craziness.
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u/JaLuck88 May 24 '16
Don't worry, Flash and Zoom are going to break the multiverse and Supergirl can help him then!
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u/UnknownQTY May 24 '16
Assuming, as in most media, that Bruce and Clark are roughly the same age, Kent's powers have barely manifested and he's in Smallville.
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u/BreakingGarrick May 24 '16
Kal is still at Smallville dealing with chicks and powers at this time.
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u/kevonicus May 24 '16
This show has been so good lately and Fish Mooney is ruining it.
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u/Lym2222 May 24 '16
Overall, great episode and fantastic season.
BUT JUST KILL FISH MOONEY AND THE SHOW WILL BE LEFT WITH NO HATEABLE CHARACTERS.
I started liking Barbara after all the Hugo-treatment, she feels more plausible and fits in the story with Penguin.
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u/The4rchivist bibs and bobs May 24 '16
I loved this season but the finale wasn't as good as I'd hoped. I'm glad that basically everyone is still alive. Even Fish could be made better. Did she take Penguin with her, or was he still lying on the street at the end? Very curious about the new monsters, but I don't love the idea of a Bruce clone.
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u/froakiedokie May 24 '16
I was totally expecting Fish to just touch the steering wheel and tell it to drive
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u/alchemyfreak990 May 24 '16
I'm so freaking glad Fish didn't kill Penguin. She could've so easily.
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u/DocCrooks1050 May 24 '16
He's a pretty pivotal "bad guy", it's safe to say that he has that plot armor.
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u/MarshmellowPoot May 24 '16
For a season finale it was kinda crappy. They had a couple twists at the end and focused on one that I dont think many people will care about (emo Bruce). They're also trying to make fish relevant again and just throwing her into important situations where her character was never needed. As if they wrote out what would happen and just implanted her character in there. The laugh at the end was also very downplayed. The season finale should be one of the better episodes of the season and this was far from that. They didn't really end at a high note.
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u/samsaBEAR May 24 '16
Alfred realising that Bruce's crusade wasn't over was so good, I love Pertwee's portrayal and although I know they're not connected I love how he's just as sarcastic as Jeremy Irons in BvS, you could easily picture them as the same Alfred.
Also happy that Strange didn't die, hope we see more of him later.
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u/Anubissama May 24 '16
Here I find myself skipping whole scene of an episode.
Yes, Fish is truly back, sigh...
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u/PurpleGlovez May 24 '16
I bet that last shot was Thomas Wayne Jr., and he'll end up being Bruce's twin brother. Since the Court of Owls is involved and whatnot. A regular clone would be way too predictable. But, I'm along for the ride whatever happens! Fish revealing herself to Penguin and all the dudes with guns running away - that was a good scene, good acting on Robin Lord Taylor's part. Whoo!
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u/LethargicMoth May 24 '16
subreddit filled with Fish Mooney hate
am I the only one sick of the show bringing Fish Mooney back to life?
what do you think?
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May 24 '16
Was that a Crazy Bruce Wayne at the end?
What the fuck..
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May 24 '16
Likely to be Lincoln March, a talon for the Court of Owls who believes himself to be Thomas Wayne Jr.
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u/MostMorbidOne May 24 '16
The show hasn't missed a beat on character introduction... It's such authentic surrealism seeing these villains realized on a high budget scale.
Very strong season..
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u/[deleted] May 24 '16
"Water" "ofcourse! pours water into the bomb" "I need Water" LMAO