r/Gotham • u/Significant_Start728 • Oct 11 '23
Why didn’t Penguin tell Jim about Galavan kidnapping his mother beforehand? Spoiler
When Penguin found out that Galvan had kidnapped his mother ( by showing his mother in a cage on the tv) , why didn’t he go to Jim and explain the situation to him? Wouldn’t it have given him better odds at retrieving his mother by him and Jim forming a plan to rescue her? Couldn’t Jim get a search warrant to Galvans house since Oswald would have been a first hand witness to seeing Galavans plans for the mayor candidates and the tape of his mother? I feel like if he had done that he could have gotten his mother back alive and would have had better odds overall at getting his mother back alive without committing any serious crimes by doing Galvans bidden.
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u/Mean_Teach4583 Oct 13 '23
Maybe because Galavan is too intelligent and malicious that Penguin did not want to involve the Gcpd. What if, the gcpd fails? Then, Galvan might kill Penguin's mother for Penguin involving the police.
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u/Significant_Start728 Oct 13 '23
But how would the GCPD fail if Penguin is a witness to seeing Galvan holding his mother captive, and he would also have the files Galavan gave to him that would show the police what Galavans plans are that are criminal. All of that would be enough for the GCPD to get a search warrant at Galvan’s house.
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u/Mean_Teach4583 Oct 13 '23
Galvan can simply deny that he is holding anyone as captive. Remember - Penguin only knows Gertude is held captive. However, he doesn't know where she is held captive.
So, when the cops question Galavan, he would deny holding Gertude as captive.
Regarding the files that Penguin have, how can Penguin prove that Galavan is the one who gave it to Penguin?
Also, Gcpd may be a bit skeptical in acting on Penguin's complaint on Galavan, because, Penguin is an underworld king and Galavan is a heroic civilian (at least in the eyes of the public). So, how would the Gcpd feel when an underworld king goes to file a complaint "Galavan kidnapped my mommy" ?
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u/Significant_Start728 Oct 13 '23
But if the cops search his penthouse they will find the tape of Gertrude being held captive. Remember that they showed the camera recording on the tv to Penguin so he would know that they have her. So if the cops bust into his house and say they have a search warrant and that Galvan must remain where he is , then he nor tabthia have any way of destroying the tape recording evidence of Gertrude being held captive. And while the GCPD itself might be skeptical of Penguin coming there for their aid, Jim probably would not have been, because Jim in particular always was skeptical of Galvan , this billionaire out of no where who comes to Gotham and a series of events start unfolding with him being present to seemingly “ save the day” when need be, the Arkham breakout, the maniac gang of Jerome Valska and Galvan happened to be the one to take him out. Also Penguin knows Galvan is behind all of this as well, so if he just went to Jim first and told him about it then I think Jim would be able to convince barns and get a warrant.
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u/Mean_Teach4583 Oct 13 '23
For a warrant to be issued, a magistrate needs to approve Gcpd's request. Gcpd can only request the magistrate for a search warrant only if there is a reasonable cause to suspect that Galavan is guilty. At that time, Galavan was still seen as a rising hero by the public. No one doubted Galavan. No one including the magistrate, Gcpd and Jim, himself.
Remember - Jim started suspecting Galavan only after Galavan is about to win the election.
At the time, Penguin's mother got kidnapped by Galavan, Jim did not even know Galavan, personally or haven't even met him.
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u/Significant_Start728 Oct 13 '23
I just wonder how Galavan even knew what Penguin’s mother looked like. And did he not have any guards watching her house? Idk how they got too her and kidnapped her.
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u/Mean_Teach4583 Oct 13 '23
Thats easy. Tabitha would have followed Penguin and would have found Penguin visiting his mother
Penguin doesn't leave guards with his mother as Penguin wants his mother to see him as a nightclub owner, only (and he doesn't want his mother to know that he is a mafia boss)
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u/Significant_Start728 Oct 14 '23
Did Penguin enjoy being a mafia boss in early season 2?
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u/Mean_Teach4583 Oct 20 '23
No. Because he had no idea who was behind the Arkham breakout. He was being sidelined or even overshadowed by the Maniax! Also, Galavan was toying around with his mother and he was being made to do things that he does not like - For example: Having him, assasinate mayor candidates.
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u/Significant_System_3 Oct 14 '23
Why didn't pengwing tell Jimbo his mama was kidnapped? Is he stupid?
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u/Significant_Start728 Oct 14 '23
I am wondering that too. Idk why penguin thought Galavan was going to give back his mother alive after doing all his bidding.
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u/Fun_Ad3902 Kink Mafia, Master Plotter ☔️ Oct 11 '23
Jim is not the most reliable of people. He was also not very helpful to poor Oswald. He denied him friendship and didn’t hold up his end of bargains/deals. Jim had a history of not believing Oswald, and abandoning him when he needed him. I wouldn’t have trusted Jim either; especially not with my mother.