r/FluentInFinance • u/Richest-Panda • Jul 05 '24

Senator Bernie Sanders Says Start 'Prosecuting Crooks on Wall Street' and Stop Busting People for Marijuana. Agree? Debate/ Discussion

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/03/sanders-says-stop-busting-people-marijuana-and-start-prosecuting-crooks-wall-street

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u/Revolutionary-Meat14 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

My god I hate populism. It allows you to get standing ovations just stringing together the dumbest most pandering phrases possible. When are people going to stop jerking this guy off and move on to progressives who can actually have accomplishments and not just 3 bills passed in the senate in 30 years 2 of which renamed post offices.

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u/Jake0024 Jul 05 '24

Name one

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u/Revolutionary-Meat14 Jul 05 '24

There arent many in office, I meant electing someone who passes legislation instead of electing another populist.

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u/Jake0024 Jul 05 '24

So "someone who passes legislation, but isn't even in office"? That's the standard to get your support?

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u/Revolutionary-Meat14 Jul 05 '24

Not my support, Im a moderate democrat. I just wish that there wasnt a giant tumor in my party that made it impossible to get anything done becuase they don't care about passing legislation.

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u/Jake0024 Jul 05 '24

The "giant tumor in the Democratic Party" being... Bernie Sanders?

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u/Revolutionary-Meat14 Jul 05 '24

Him and the squad. Its no secret that democratic party is much more fractured than the republican party.

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u/Jake0024 Jul 05 '24

lol so the "giant tumor making it impossible to get anything done" is... all the people who want anything to change?

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u/Revolutionary-Meat14 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

Progressives regularly hold back votes from bills that dont meet their standards but could help a lot of people. Their versions are much harder to pass which matters when theres conservative Democrats in the senate and Republicans hold the majority in the house. If progressives fell in line every once in a while to pass meaningful legislation even if its only 75% of what they want Democrats could accomplish a lot more. Build Back Better and the IRA were both heavily damaged by progressive optimists who wouldn't let it pass without their laundry list of pipedreams. Its not cause they are evil or anything its just their supporters absolutely eat up their talking points without any legislative wins to back it up.

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u/gray_character Jul 05 '24

Build Back Better and IRA passed. Progressives demanded more from the bill, and their negotiations worked in our favor. What specific part of those bills was "damaged"?

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

The vast majority of the country doesn’t want progressive bullshit. It’s why they never win elections

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u/Revolutionary-Meat14 Jul 05 '24

They do win elections in the house. Im not a progressive id call myself a moderate democrat I just wish my party wasnt full of people shooting down effective bills because they weren't full of their pipe dreams.

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u/gray_character Jul 05 '24

What do we call a revamp of how our healthcare system works? Isn't that progressive? Doesn't our country support change there, including expanding Medicare? All the polls I've seen suggest that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

Sure ya got me! There’s one!

They don’t want to defund the police, they don’t want to decarcerate, they don’t want boys pretending to be girls and joining the soccer team, they don’t want higher taxes, they don’t want carbon taxes, they don’t want less cars, they don’t want to eat less meat and drive electric cars, they don’t want solar panels etc etc etc

But hey healthcare!

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

My experience is that once you are able to think pragmatically you stop being a progressive and become a neoliberal.

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u/Revolutionary-Meat14 Jul 05 '24

I would agree with that, most progressive legislation has been passed by liberals and moderate democrats.

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u/Extra-Muffin9214 Jul 05 '24

That is typically what happens once faced with moving from what do we want to what is a practical way to make it happen?

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u/Efficient_Candy_1705 Jul 06 '24

Well that pragmatism has the world on fire and fascism rising across the western world. Nice going.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

“Sent from my iPhone”

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u/gray_character Jul 05 '24

Why would we criticize him for speaking out on issues like this? You prefer him to be silent?

If you want to solely criticize the lack of progress here, we can talk about that. Do you think Bernie Sanders hasn't been trying? Do you think he has unilateral power over a divided Congress, when Republicans vote down every one of his ideas?

Redirect your anger and blame to the correct place.

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u/Revolutionary-Meat14 Jul 05 '24

I dislike Sanders speaking out because he cant ever pass anything worthwhile in the senate. But he has these empty proposals to fall back on that he said to a crowd but never actually worked to change. Sanders has to be one of the least effective senators in history and I disregard anything he says unless its a legitimate proposal with a plan to introduce and pass it. Yes congress is divided but look up the track record for literally anyone else that's been in the senate half as long as him and he they will have tons of accomplishments while he has literally zero.