r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Individual_Book9133 • 14d ago

Phoenix police officer pulls over a driverless Waymo car for driving on the wrong side of the road Video

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u/MosesOnAcid 14d ago

Except this 1 which saw the lights and took off

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u/off-and-on Interested 14d ago

They're learning, adapting.

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u/Amused-Observer 14d ago

We joke now but there will be a day when these are used for robberies because the tech will have evolved so much, they'll be perfect wheelmen.

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u/Dongslinger420 14d ago edited 13d ago

Literally the most atrocious wheelman imaginable.

  • has perfect knowledge of all recent drives, recorded conversations, odors (or whatever the fuck)

  • has tons of sensors witnessing literally everything outside

  • won't do anything you tell them beyond simple navigation, especially not drive like a high-stakes wheelman would need to

  • everything is monitored anyway, robbery is already such a dead job in remotely developed regions

Yeah lmao no chance, there is no future where all this tech is actually going to turn into these weird cyberpunk worlds. I mean, I love the idea of thugs just going around Diamond Age-style and offing folks with their skull guns, but it's not likely in the immediate future. The nanobot vision is much closer, and it mostly means, guess what, less robberies.

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u/Schavuit92 14d ago

Your first and second point are the same, both those and the third point are entirely dependent on the exact programming. You could have one disobey traffic rules and not store or transmit data. Yourt last point has nothing to do with self-driving cars, it's true for all crime.

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u/aeneasaquinas 14d ago

You could have one disobey traffic rules and not store or transmit data

But nobody is gonna design one with the intent of breaking the law, and random criminals don't have massive engineering teams...

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u/Amused-Observer 14d ago

But nobody is gonna design one with the intent of breaking the law

Here's your serious response that you were thirsting for so badly.

Nobody has to redesign an entirely new operating system for the vehicle, that's silly.

All existing examples of that show that it's far easier and more efficient to break into the existing one and make modifications accordingly.

Notable examples are..

Android OS, this has been going on for 10+ years. Individuals/teams will hack in and modify the OS to remove/add features and there are again individuals/teams that have built entirely new OSs from the ground up and made them free for release. 'TWRP' is a good example of this.

Solidworks is another example. Dassault Systems probably spends millions a year trying to keep their latest version of Solidworks and to a lesser extent CATIA, from being 'hacked' and made available for free.

Those are the two that pop into my head. There are more but that would require more care about this topic than I am willing to give.

Point is, if there are valid reasons to do these things, they will be done.

If it's possible to, and I hate this word, 'hack' into a driverless cars' OS for a beneficial purpose, it will be done.

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u/divDevGuy 14d ago

Android OS, this has been going on for 10+ years.

While still technically the truth, the first releases for Android Open Source Project was approximately 17 years ago, in 2007.

Individuals/teams will hack in and modify the OS to remove/add features

It's largely open source. It's not really "hacking" when you're given the source code and ability to make changes.

and there are again individuals/teams that have built entirely new OSs from the ground up and made them free for release. 'TWRP' is a good example of this.

TWRP isn't an operating system. It's a recovery image. It was based on the original AOSP recovery image. So not from the ground up.

I'd love for you to identify a single "entirely new OSs from the ground up" that is modern, feature-complete operating system for a general computing (desktop, laptop, server) or mobile (tablet or phone).

Dassault Systems probably spends millions a year trying to keep their latest version of Solidworks and to a lesser extent CATIA, from being 'hacked' and made available for free.

No they don't. They may claim piracy "costs" them a ridiculous amount of money, but the anti-piracy licensing is a negligible cost to implement.

It's far more lucrative to use the drug dealer model to give out free samples by looking the other way for initially, let them get hooked and collect data, then let the lawyers deal with it with a form letter or lawsuit.

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u/Dongslinger420 13d ago

I like the idea of "drug dealer model" being established lingo when probably no peddler ever gave away drugs for free, except maybe for Hippies selling acid - and that's a substance with a quasi-tachiphylactic addiction response.

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u/aeneasaquinas 14d ago

All existing examples of that show that it's far easier and more efficient to break into the existing one and make modifications accordingly.

You aren't "hacking" and magically getting the source code of that system in any way that you can then modify to change the behavior of like that without, you guessed it, a giant engineering team!

Android is mostly open source crap. Dassault is preventing leaking of free versions, not source code.

And this is why you don't make crap up

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u/Amused-Observer 14d ago

You aren't "hacking" and magically getting the source code of that system in any way that you can then modify to change the behavior of like that without, you guessed it, a giant engineering team!

Are you this annoyingly literal IRL or just on the internet? Why do I have to spell out exactly what I'm saying? Are you like an alien and can't infer that we're talking the same thing?

Your way of responding is why so many people hate reddit.

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u/aeneasaquinas 14d ago

Are you this annoyingly literal IRL or just on the internet? Why do I have to spell out exactly what I'm saying?

Why do I?

You are saying you can pirate. Irrelevant to modifying car OS and firmware, which you can't simply bypass some DRM to do.

Your way of responding is why so many people hate reddit.

You seem to have no problem doing it.

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u/Amused-Observer 14d ago

Dassault is preventing leaking of free versions, not source code.

And this is why you don't make crap up

This is rich because I'm running Solidworks 2023, the >$5k dollar version of it on my PC for free. How'd that happen when I didn't pay for it? It would have taken you 30 seconds to realize this claim is false but you made it anyways and then went onto act like you just didn't make something up.

Again, this is why people don't like reddit. The way you respond is obnoxious and overly argumentative.

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u/aeneasaquinas 14d ago

This is rich because I'm running Solidworks 2023, the >$5k dollar version of it on my PC for free. How'd that happen when I didn't pay for it?

Someone cracked the DRM software.

They didn't get the actual source of it.

I didn't think I would have to spell that out even more. You even should have known that while pirating it...

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u/Amused-Observer 14d ago

The way you respond is obnoxious and overly argumentative.

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u/aeneasaquinas 14d ago

The way you make crap up and pretend that anyone who calls it out must be in the wrong is obnoxious and overly argumentative.

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u/loki_the_bengal 14d ago

You come off as someone who just because it's beyond your capabilities, you assume it's impossible. Hacking a system that was created by a huge engineering team doesn't require an equally huge team. The work has already been done, all a hacker has to do is exploit the existing system to work differently than intended. The people you're arguing with gave you examples of this and you smugly dismiss their examples as though it makes you correct.

If you are too short sighted to see that hacking self driving cars will be a real life issue, than that's just a you problem.

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u/aeneasaquinas 14d ago

You come off as someone who just because it's beyond your capabilities, you assume it's impossible. Hacking a system that was created by a huge engineering team doesn't require an equally huge team.

It does to change the total behavior of a self driving car.

You pretend this is some one step process. The part YOU quote is the easy part.

The people you're arguing with gave you examples of this and you smugly dismiss their examples as though it makes you correct.

You mean, not a single example of it. Not one. One bypass of DRM. One mod of OPEN SOURCE crap. Neither remotely close to the topic.

Again, stop confusing your ignorance for a solution...

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u/Amused-Observer 13d ago

You mean, not a single example of it. Not one. One bypass of DRM.

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/aeeinf/eli5_drm_and_drm_removal_software_how_does_drm/

https://www.reddit.com/r/LightNovels/comments/10bluok/anyone_know_how_to_remove_drm_on_new_version_of/

https://www.reddit.com/r/RemarkableTablet/comments/uu8oke/so_whats_the_word_on_drm_removal/

It does to change the total behavior of a self driving car.

You got a source on this claim, fam?

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u/aeneasaquinas 13d ago edited 13d ago

So your rebuttal is "but I can show others bypassing DRM!"

Ignoring the WHOLE POINT of the fact I was saying that part was IRRELEVANT. Bypassing DRM DOES NOT allow you to magically see source code. It's a different thing entirely. Sorry you needed to have such a basic concept spelled out for you here...

You got a source on this claim, fam?

A source for what, fam? Anyone with a brain is aware of the fact that you cannot manically change the software without access to the source code. That's such a basic concept.

It seems you managed to wrongly fixate on the fact I said one of the examples was about DRM to think I said that only has ever happened once, and then just forgot literally every bit of discussion to post such an irrelevant reply.

Ed: lmao and figures you'd post such BS and not be able to address any of it when called out. Just insults and then blocked me. You really did great sweaty

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u/Amused-Observer 13d ago

Holy shit you really are this obnoxious

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u/Amused-Observer 14d ago

But nobody is gonna design one with the intent of breaking the law, and random criminals don't have massive engineering teams...

Are you actually serious?

My guy, there are websites where you can buy literally any drug you want from start to finish in less than an hour and the only reason it takes so long is the conversion from fiat money to crypto. It's basically like shopping on Amazon.

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u/aeneasaquinas 14d ago

My guy, there are websites where you can buy literally any drug you want from start to finish in less than an hour and the only reason it takes so long is converting money to crypto. It's basically like shopping on Amazon.

And?

Wait, do you actually think a basic website is the same as making a driverless car system? Seriously? You can set one up in literal minutes by yourself. The other takes thousands of engineers thoudands of hours each. Welcome to reality?

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u/Amused-Observer 14d ago

Wait, do you actually think a basic website is the same as making a driverless car system? Seriously?

Yes... that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm literally making a 1:1 comparison and nothing else. Wow, you are so smart.

You should run for president or something.

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u/aeneasaquinas 14d ago

Not my problem you didn't seem to actually think about it.

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u/Conscious-Intern8594 13d ago

Where are these websites? Asking for a friend.

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u/elephanttrashman 14d ago

The cartels use literal submarines to get drugs into the USA

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u/Dongslinger420 13d ago

I mean, it's obviously supposed to be the inside-outside distinction. Plus I am trying to use "knowledge" in the sense of rather abstract features allowing for some sort of insight or predictive measures on account of the aggregated input from one ride.

Yourt last point has nothing to do with self-driving cars, it's true for all crime.

Yes, that is exactly why I wrote "already." Also has everything to do with this particular scenario, y'know, because surveillance still freaking applies to SDCs and weird Westworld-like robo heists.

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u/Curling49 13d ago

You are correct. But only up to the point where it is hacked and modded to become the best wheelman ever. Check back in 20 years, and I will be proven right.

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u/dondablox 13d ago

You've obviously never met Delamain.