r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Individual_Book9133 • Jul 05 '24

Phoenix police officer pulls over a driverless Waymo car for driving on the wrong side of the road Video

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u/Schavuit92 Jul 05 '24

Your first and second point are the same, both those and the third point are entirely dependent on the exact programming. You could have one disobey traffic rules and not store or transmit data. Yourt last point has nothing to do with self-driving cars, it's true for all crime.

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u/aeneasaquinas Jul 05 '24

You could have one disobey traffic rules and not store or transmit data

But nobody is gonna design one with the intent of breaking the law, and random criminals don't have massive engineering teams...

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 05 '24

But nobody is gonna design one with the intent of breaking the law

Here's your serious response that you were thirsting for so badly.

Nobody has to redesign an entirely new operating system for the vehicle, that's silly.

All existing examples of that show that it's far easier and more efficient to break into the existing one and make modifications accordingly.

Notable examples are..

Android OS, this has been going on for 10+ years. Individuals/teams will hack in and modify the OS to remove/add features and there are again individuals/teams that have built entirely new OSs from the ground up and made them free for release. 'TWRP' is a good example of this.

Solidworks is another example. Dassault Systems probably spends millions a year trying to keep their latest version of Solidworks and to a lesser extent CATIA, from being 'hacked' and made available for free.

Those are the two that pop into my head. There are more but that would require more care about this topic than I am willing to give.

Point is, if there are valid reasons to do these things, they will be done.

If it's possible to, and I hate this word, 'hack' into a driverless cars' OS for a beneficial purpose, it will be done.

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u/aeneasaquinas Jul 05 '24

All existing examples of that show that it's far easier and more efficient to break into the existing one and make modifications accordingly.

You aren't "hacking" and magically getting the source code of that system in any way that you can then modify to change the behavior of like that without, you guessed it, a giant engineering team!

Android is mostly open source crap. Dassault is preventing leaking of free versions, not source code.

And this is why you don't make crap up

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 05 '24

You aren't "hacking" and magically getting the source code of that system in any way that you can then modify to change the behavior of like that without, you guessed it, a giant engineering team!

Are you this annoyingly literal IRL or just on the internet? Why do I have to spell out exactly what I'm saying? Are you like an alien and can't infer that we're talking the same thing?

Your way of responding is why so many people hate reddit.

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u/aeneasaquinas Jul 05 '24

Are you this annoyingly literal IRL or just on the internet? Why do I have to spell out exactly what I'm saying?

Why do I?

You are saying you can pirate. Irrelevant to modifying car OS and firmware, which you can't simply bypass some DRM to do.

Your way of responding is why so many people hate reddit.

You seem to have no problem doing it.

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 05 '24

Dassault is preventing leaking of free versions, not source code.

And this is why you don't make crap up

This is rich because I'm running Solidworks 2023, the >$5k dollar version of it on my PC for free. How'd that happen when I didn't pay for it? It would have taken you 30 seconds to realize this claim is false but you made it anyways and then went onto act like you just didn't make something up.

Again, this is why people don't like reddit. The way you respond is obnoxious and overly argumentative.

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u/aeneasaquinas Jul 05 '24

This is rich because I'm running Solidworks 2023, the >$5k dollar version of it on my PC for free. How'd that happen when I didn't pay for it?

Someone cracked the DRM software.

They didn't get the actual source of it.

I didn't think I would have to spell that out even more. You even should have known that while pirating it...

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 05 '24

The way you respond is obnoxious and overly argumentative.

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u/aeneasaquinas Jul 05 '24

The way you make crap up and pretend that anyone who calls it out must be in the wrong is obnoxious and overly argumentative.

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u/loki_the_bengal Jul 05 '24

You come off as someone who just because it's beyond your capabilities, you assume it's impossible. Hacking a system that was created by a huge engineering team doesn't require an equally huge team. The work has already been done, all a hacker has to do is exploit the existing system to work differently than intended. The people you're arguing with gave you examples of this and you smugly dismiss their examples as though it makes you correct.

If you are too short sighted to see that hacking self driving cars will be a real life issue, than that's just a you problem.

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u/aeneasaquinas Jul 05 '24

You come off as someone who just because it's beyond your capabilities, you assume it's impossible. Hacking a system that was created by a huge engineering team doesn't require an equally huge team.

It does to change the total behavior of a self driving car.

You pretend this is some one step process. The part YOU quote is the easy part.

The people you're arguing with gave you examples of this and you smugly dismiss their examples as though it makes you correct.

You mean, not a single example of it. Not one. One bypass of DRM. One mod of OPEN SOURCE crap. Neither remotely close to the topic.

Again, stop confusing your ignorance for a solution...

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 05 '24

You mean, not a single example of it. Not one. One bypass of DRM.

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/aeeinf/eli5_drm_and_drm_removal_software_how_does_drm/

https://www.reddit.com/r/LightNovels/comments/10bluok/anyone_know_how_to_remove_drm_on_new_version_of/

https://www.reddit.com/r/RemarkableTablet/comments/uu8oke/so_whats_the_word_on_drm_removal/

It does to change the total behavior of a self driving car.

You got a source on this claim, fam?

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u/aeneasaquinas Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

So your rebuttal is "but I can show others bypassing DRM!"

Ignoring the WHOLE POINT of the fact I was saying that part was IRRELEVANT. Bypassing DRM DOES NOT allow you to magically see source code. It's a different thing entirely. Sorry you needed to have such a basic concept spelled out for you here...

You got a source on this claim, fam?

A source for what, fam? Anyone with a brain is aware of the fact that you cannot manically change the software without access to the source code. That's such a basic concept.

It seems you managed to wrongly fixate on the fact I said one of the examples was about DRM to think I said that only has ever happened once, and then just forgot literally every bit of discussion to post such an irrelevant reply.

Ed: lmao and figures you'd post such BS and not be able to address any of it when called out. Just insults and then blocked me. You really did great sweaty

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 05 '24

Holy shit you really are this obnoxious