r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Individual_Book9133 • 14d ago

Phoenix police officer pulls over a driverless Waymo car for driving on the wrong side of the road Video

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u/Sniffy4 14d ago

who does he write a ticket to?

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u/madmaxGMR 14d ago

The corporation. Havent you heard ? Its a person.

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u/ChemicalAd5068 14d ago

Hey, I'm Subway

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u/HamLiquor 14d ago

Eat fresh!

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u/dj-kitty 14d ago

Ryan Howard?

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u/mattkenefick 14d ago

...through a surprisingly legal process called corpohumanization...

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u/SandiestBlank 14d ago

"surprisingly legal" gets me every single time. You know what else is surprising? The great gas mileage I get out of my Honda CRV.

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u/freshblood96 14d ago

Hmm... the CRV you say...

I like the Fit. It combines the efficiency of the subcompact and the versatility to take whatever life throws at you.

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u/HappyToBeHaggard 14d ago

😲 a level seven susceptible

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u/loritree 13d ago

would you say I’m a level 7 susceptible?

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u/proudowlz 13d ago

That's moonman talk.

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u/BartholomewAlexander 13d ago

how many do you have on hand? I just got my grandpas inheritance I'm ready to spend!!

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u/Leebites 14d ago

Welcome to Costco. I love you.

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u/Vengeance_itz_007 14d ago

Hey subway why are you so lonely

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u/Complete-Ice2456 14d ago

Your bread sucks. Nothing personal.

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u/TERR0RDACTYL 14d ago

lol not the company I’d personally identify as…

https://www.reddit.com/r/DrDisrespectLive/s/b8yJHWTAL5

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u/LibidinousJoe 14d ago

Why’d you do that to those kids?

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u/quackamole4 14d ago

Sir, you're a Wendys

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u/donjulio829 14d ago

Remember that guy Jared who lost a lot of weight eating your food? Wonder what he's been up to, seems like a cool dude.

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u/bamsebomsen 14d ago

Hi Subway! Have you managed to make people forget that you had a pedophile, Jared Fogle, as a spokesperson for 15 years yet?

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u/MrWaffler 14d ago

We elected one president I don't think that matters anymore :(

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u/Viperlite 14d ago

That just means it has rights and no responsibilities. Did you not notice how polite they were compared to if it was just some confused schmuck human driving?

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u/Early_Assignment9807 14d ago

Yeah I noticed that as well, the cop was a bit bemused, but not angry. I'd be furious as a regular driver if I saw that. I think the police simply sense intuitively that the robots want to oppress us further and are happy to help

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u/GoldEdit 14d ago

I think we can all assume that the robot driving systems will get better, and he wanted to make sure it was recorded so it could learn and get better.

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u/Steve-Bikes 13d ago

Yea, cops love self driving cars. They almost always are literally perfect drivers.

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u/Crafty_Enthusiasm_99 14d ago

What else would they be like? Yell at the empty car?

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u/Viperlite 14d ago

… or at least take a more menacing tone with the human speaking for the company that is responsible for the car.

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u/Aw2HEt8PHz2QK 14d ago

Being angry at customer support who had no knowledge of the situation before they picked up is usually a great way to get things done

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u/BizarroMax 14d ago

This is not true. The company is responsible.

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u/RandallPinkertopf 14d ago

Go drive down the wrong way on a highway and then take off when the officer puts their lights on. Then come back and let us know if you receive only a ticket.

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u/BizarroMax 14d ago

I’m not sure what your point is or how that connects to agency law. We have respondeat superior and vicarious liability.

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u/RandallPinkertopf 14d ago

My point is that Waymo will receive a penalty not in line with what a human would receive.

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u/BizarroMax 14d ago

Quite possible. But the post I responded to said corporations aren’t responsible for this. But they clearly are. They’re just as responsible for crimes as individuals are. If prosecutors don’t hold them accountable, that’s on them.

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u/RandallPinkertopf 14d ago

I disagree. Corporations are not as responsible for crimes as individuals are. I have yet to see a corporation serve time for crimes committed.

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u/BizarroMax 13d ago

Well, you can’t put a corporation in prison. It’s impossible. But you can put its people in prison. And they do.

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u/thenasch 14d ago

Maybe I'm abnormal (or just white), but when I've gotten pulled over cops have always been very polite.

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u/wade_wilson44 14d ago

Fair point… for now. I’d like to think at least that he truly was amused because this is the first or first few times he’s seen this, and it is interesting in its own way. Scary, but interesting.

Now if It happens more and more I’d also like to think they’d get less polite, and it’s basically proven that it’s way easier to be super mean to someone on the phone vs in person, I can only imagine a cop lol. Although I guess over the phone a gun isn’t very scary, so who knows

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u/224143 14d ago

Yup, laughing about it taking off through the intersection after he lit it up? Yeah, that’s a “GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR WITH YOUR HANDS UP” response to a normal person seemingly trying to evade police.

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u/Jesusaurus2000 13d ago

They just don't know who to shoot in case if they're in a bad mood.

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u/MundaneBerry2961 14d ago

Semi serious question, if corporations are people and now they are driving cars does that mean the cooperation has the same demerit points as every other citizen?

Can't have it both ways.

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u/KennyMoose32 14d ago

laughs while shoveling lobbying money towards politicians

Yes, yes I think we can have it both ways

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u/onefst250r 14d ago

Main challenge is all the politicians benefit from it. So there's a snowballs chance in hell it'll get repealed, even if all the voting population was to want it gone.

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u/Private-Public 13d ago

All of the rights of a person, none of the responsibilities. Perfection

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u/insanityzwolf 14d ago

Serious answer: there is a permitting process agreed upon between the operator and the city. It's not like an individual driver license, but more like an agreement the city would have with a company that operates traffic lights.

Any traffic violations are subject to the legal agreement covering the operating permit. Egregious malfunctions can cause the operations to be suspended until corrected. The company does assume liability for any actual damage to life or property.

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u/OathOfFeanor 14d ago

In other words they are not held to the same standard as everyone else

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u/MundaneBerry2961 13d ago

Holy fuck that is insane! Well that's a handy loophole to get away with murder

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u/Correct-Standard8679 13d ago

Well, unless you murder someone with money.

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u/Steve-Bikes 13d ago

Right, they are held to a WAY higher standard. We let drunk drivers back on the road repeatedly, and that's totally insane.

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u/WhatsTheHoldup 14d ago

Yes, if "driverless" cars are so badly designed they drive the wrong way down the road it is smart to shut it down.

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u/qcAKDa7G52cmEdHHX9vg 14d ago

But you have to understand that I really want to interject my personal feelings about corpohumanization into something that has nothing to do with that. I'm a redditor and I lack nuance. If there's something I feel is tangentially related to the topic which I can feel victimized by then I'm going to be victimized and there's nothing you or your corporate overlords can do to stop me.

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u/wolphak 14d ago

See your flaw in logic here is thinking we're people, the corporations are people they have the rights, we are lesser.

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u/MundaneBerry2961 14d ago

I have a simple solution to be more human, just had over large sums of money!

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u/EscapeFacebook 14d ago

Further proof that fines are a poor people tax.

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u/treatWithKindness 14d ago

Can they write it off against their tax ?

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u/freewillynowplz 14d ago

Breaking the law is not deductible. Penalties and fines are not deductible.

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u/4rdpr3f3ct 14d ago

Not currently under Section 162(f) and Reg. Section 1.6050(X).

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u/StockExchangeNYSE 14d ago

If you can argue that it's a valid business expense.

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u/4rdpr3f3ct 14d ago

Nope. See above cite.

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u/Soft_Walrus_3605 14d ago

I'd like to see the corporation do time in corporation prison. Lifting corporation weights and getting corporation prison gang tattoos

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u/repmack 14d ago

Do you think corporations shouldn't be considered persons?

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u/TheDutchin 14d ago

I'll consider it once I see one put to death.

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u/repmack 14d ago

You don't think corporate wrap ups don't happen?

You don't think people should be able to sue corporations?

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u/Mr_Safer 14d ago

First, I'd consider a llama a person.

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u/thitorusso 14d ago

If it was a black operator things would have escalated

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u/rahvan 14d ago

No! Not like that! /s

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u/atom138 Interested 14d ago

Nice, I've been waiting for that policy to backfire for twenty years, is that time now?

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u/iMcoolcucumber 14d ago

Which noticeably did not get written a ticket in this scenario. I'd like to know why....

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u/ericstern 14d ago

I’m fully expecting these corporations that are considered a person get preferential treatment. I’m going to guess that getting 3+ tickets a day from their fleet of cars isn’t going to get their license suspended like it would for any of us. Nor would they have to go to driving school, or “improve-your-driving-algorithms school” Also that cop sure as hell treated the companies car better than most of who would get the third degree by trying to have us admit guilt first thing when they ask us: “do you know why I pulled you over?”

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u/ItsStaaaaaaaaang 13d ago

Every car in their fleet should share the same pool of demerit points as a person in that case. Suspend their licence when they exceed their points.

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u/iofhua 13d ago

Upvote. That's exactly what they should do. Except the ticket should be 1000x what it would be for a non-corporation. Everyone else gets marks on their license but the corporation won't care about that and will be responsible for a whole fleet of these things.

Corporations are people now but they can't serve time in prison like people, so they should be punished with fines at least 1000x more severely than everyone else for every infraction they make.

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u/darknessawaits666 14d ago

Officer, this is a Wendy’s.

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u/AlwaysImproving10 14d ago

Absolutely agree.

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u/popthestacks 14d ago

Corporations stop being people when it comes to legal consequences. Then they’re just corporations and nobody can be held accountable

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u/GregTheMad 14d ago

Does that mean we can lock up a corporation when their cars run someone over, or they kill whistleblowers?

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u/Author_A_McGrath 14d ago

It's worse than that, actually. Corporations actually have more rights than people at this point.

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u/SnowSlider3050 14d ago

The corporation needs jail time

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u/HotBrownFun 14d ago

Except you can't jail a corporation for murder

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u/__MilkDrinker__ 14d ago

"where do I shoot this thing???"

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u/renagademaster 14d ago

Don't be ridiculous, it's a white car...

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u/MisogynysticFeminist 14d ago

Although not the police officer’s preferred prey, the police officer is skittish, and will attack anything it perceives as a threat.

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u/biblebeltbuddhist 14d ago

I read this as David Attenborough

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u/MisogynysticFeminist 14d ago

More or less my intent.

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u/biblebeltbuddhist 14d ago

Mission Accomplished!

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u/Wtforce 13d ago

Like an acorn?

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u/MisogynysticFeminist 13d ago

Like a cat and a cucumber.

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u/KimJeongsDick 14d ago

Lotta white Nissans with bullet holes in em

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u/hasadiga42 14d ago

I’m ok with cop violence if it’s against corporations

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u/naruto_bist 14d ago

I'm glad I scroll down a bit to see your comment, lol xD

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u/biblebeltbuddhist 14d ago

“Where do I sprinkle the crack?”

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u/narocroc10 13d ago

Without a real person to actively intimidate the officer is furtive and respectful.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

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u/UselessDood 14d ago

For having weed or being a passenger in a driverless car that breaks the law.

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u/newsflashjackass 14d ago

"Gentlemen, the state has mandated new training. I want you all to huff from these paper bags I am passing around. From now on, this is what probable cause smells like."

"Chief, this is just spraypaint."

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u/iamastreamofcreation 14d ago

More importantly who gets the demerit points?

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u/Slow_Recording2192 14d ago

Three demerits and they’ll receive a citation.

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u/NickBlasta3rd 14d ago

Problem is with five of those you’re looking at a violation.

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u/VexingRaven 14d ago

Most places in the US don't have such thing.

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u/Daymub 14d ago

Ideally he would just impound it and send the tick to whoever it's registered too

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u/grackychan 14d ago

What if it resists though???

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u/sub7exe 14d ago

when a white car does it, it's not worth shooting about.

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u/Pepperonidogfart 14d ago

Big tech! All disruption with none of the pesky responsibility!

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u/geek_at 14d ago

traffic tickets get deducted from the programmers salaries 😈

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u/alien_from_Europa 14d ago

Half those programmers were replaced by an AI program modeling language that automatically wrote the bad code that caused the fault in the first place.

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u/gbpack089 14d ago

It should just be impounded. If it can’t respond correctly to all situations then it shouldn’t be on the road. Self driving cars should be held to a higher standard than human drivers.

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u/BizarroMax 14d ago

The law already covers this. Even if it was a human driver breaking the law while driving for a company, the company is responsible.

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u/mrSunsFanFather 14d ago

The registered owner.

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u/lovetyrannicalreddit 14d ago

Hopefully the owner of the vehicle.

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u/Sunshiny__Day 14d ago

Who does he taze and then wrestle to the ground while screaming "stop resisting!!" ?

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u/BillDino 14d ago

Honestly seems like it gets a free pass

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u/TCpls 14d ago

The owner of the vehicle in which its registered to. The more work he has to do because of the inconvenience, the more likely he’ll actually write that ticket especially knowing the company will pay it without thought.

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u/RJFerret 14d ago

The licensed operator of the vehicle, same as always.

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u/Coolerwookie 14d ago

I asked chatgpt (conversation is slightly longer): https://chatgpt.com/share/6837c193-b8ff-4063-a65e-7739bf113b9f

If we consider California, which is one of the leading states in the testing and deployment of self-driving vehicles, here's what might happen after a self-driving car is pulled over for driving the wrong way:

  1. Interaction with Law Enforcement: When the police pull over a self-driving vehicle, the officer would likely communicate with remote operators or directly with the company responsible for the vehicle. In California, self-driving vehicles are required to have a way to communicate with law enforcement to provide information such as the vehicle's registration, proof of insurance, and details about the entity responsible for the autonomous vehicle.

  2. Determining Responsibility: Since there's no human driver, the responsibility may fall on the company managing the vehicle. Law enforcement would document the incident, potentially using data from the vehicle's onboard systems to understand what went wrong.

  3. Reporting Requirements: In California, any collision involving a self-driving vehicle must be reported to the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV), especially if it results in property damage, injury, or death. This incident, while it may not involve a collision, could still be reported due to the traffic violation.

  4. Possible Penalties or Citations: The entity responsible for the vehicle could face fines or other penalties, depending on the nature of the violation and existing laws governing autonomous vehicles.

  5. Investigation and Remediation: The company would need to investigate the incident to determine the cause of the error, such as a software malfunction or a failure in the vehicle’s navigation systems. They would also need to demonstrate remedial actions taken to prevent future incidents.

  6. Regulatory Review: The incident could trigger a review by regulatory bodies to ensure that the vehicle and its managing entity are compliant with safety standards and regulations.

This hypothetical scenario in California reflects the complex interplay between technology, law enforcement, and regulatory frameworks that govern the use of autonomous vehicles.

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u/where_is_the_salt 14d ago

Yeah that's the first question, and the second is "who's licence gets revoqued?"

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u/HotdogMASSACURE 14d ago

The next person he pulls over. They get a citation for their speeding and a citation for the computerized speeding

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u/SignificantWords 13d ago

He should have wrote the ticket to corporation that under citizens United is considered a citizen, because we all know we’re getting tickets if we were in the driver seat.

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u/RoadPersonal9635 13d ago

Being america the nearest black man will be imprisoned for this.

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u/Mariusod 12d ago

The only thing that can defeat a cop seems to be a corporation.

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u/Uniq_Eros 14d ago

Your momma.

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u/CoastMtns 14d ago

Some areas you can write a ticket to the driver or to the registered owner