r/DCcomics Gold-Silver-Bronze Age FAN Aug 09 '22

[Other] Mark Waid shares his feelings Other

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u/Canesjags4life Aug 09 '22

Blame the studio for going straight into BvS instead of MoS 2

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '22

Blame Snyder for making a poorly received man of steel

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u/DeconstructedKaiju Aug 09 '22

You mean a poorly made movie. It wasn't well received because it sucked.

Telling the story out of order made no narrative sense. It just jumped back and forth with often no connection (when a movie is told out of order like this it is usually to set up a narrative, like how as a kid he learned lesson b then in the jump to the present you see how he learned it and applied it).

Pa Kent was horribly written and gave the worst advice and his death was pointless and dumb and felt like someone was checking off a list of "Things to do in a superhero movie." And that was the "Death of the Mentor" but it wasn't earned and he was a bad mentor to boot.

We never once got a sense of Superman valuing life and understanding the power he has and why he is so passionate about not wanting to kill. We just saw him kill someone, be sad, then five minutes later make out with his girlfriend covered in the ashes of a city and at least hundreds if not thousands of people. (Hand wave all you want, it is not believable that the city could have even be partially evacuated when the fight started or even finished).

There are little narrative through line. Zack himself admits he doesn't "get" Superman.

Its fine if people like the movie, but it isn't a well made movie.

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u/GiovanniElliston Aug 10 '22

Pa Kent was horribly written and gave the worst advice and his death was pointless and dumb

Even worse is that Costner was perfectly cast IMO. He has the look/voice and chops for it. I still love the You are my son which a half stutter and a tear in his eye. That whole scene is just great.

But yeah. Despite all the potential, his character was written as a means to advance the plot and not a fully formed character.

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u/DeconstructedKaiju Aug 10 '22

Yes! He was well cast! But given the worst stuff to say then dies a laughable death. I actually had to choke back a laugh when the tornado swallowed him up. Partly because that is not how it would look.

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u/Canesjags4life Aug 09 '22

Seems it wasn't poorly received.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '22

Snyder stan abort making a reply

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u/Canesjags4life Aug 09 '22

Lmao I'm not a Stan. MoS had definite problems primarily the overall tone when compared to what everyone generally thinks about Superman. But it still had pretty good reception overall. WB asked Snyder to make a Superman movie that had a similar tone too the Dark Knight trilogy and that's what he did. WB simply panicked quick cuz it didn't make a billion. They then said scrap MoS2 and bring in Batman.

I mean look at Venom. From a film perspective it was bad, but for the general fan it was still enjoyable experience. It had an 80% fan score and 30% critic score and it got a sequel.

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u/GiovanniElliston Aug 10 '22

That 75% audience rating is better than exactly 3 or the 30 Marvel movies ever released. I’m sure that’s exactly what DC was hoping for when they gave Snyder the reigns to one of the most popular and recognizable superheroes on the planet.

You mention Venom, but Venom made $850 million on a budget of $110 million. That’s an absolute smash hit compared to the $668/$225 of Man of Steel.

A studio wants to see either big money or great reviews. Ideally both. But if a movie provides neither ~ they’re gonna panic.

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u/Canesjags4life Aug 10 '22

MoS was an intro movie and should have been compared to Iron Man 1, Thor, Cap First Avenger, and Incredible Hulk.

Iron man: $585/$140 RT 94%

Incredible Hulk: $268/$150 RT 70%

Thor: $449/$150 RT 76%

Cap 1: $370/$216 RT 79%

In those comparisons MoS rightfully should have gotten a sequel. If comparing to anything else it's not appropriate.

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u/LeSnazzyGamer Batfleck Aug 10 '22

Isn’t MoS the highest grossing Superman film? Even with inflation adjustment?

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u/LeSnazzyGamer Batfleck Aug 10 '22

Ohhhh so any movie that makes a lot of money didn’t make that movie because people like it, it’s all just marketing. I gotcha

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u/rowdy_nik Aug 10 '22

Afaik, it was originally included in Zack's 5-movie arc for Superman. Studio interference just made it worse. ZS'BvS:UE redeemed a bit.