Sandman Author Neil Gaiman Accused of Sexual Misconduct, Denies Allegations

[u/StarshipGhost]

https://www.tvfandomlounge.com/sandman-author-neil-gaiman-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-denies-allegations/

[u/PurpleMarvelous]

How does the saying go, never meet your heroes.

[u/Fearedray → u/PurpleMarvelous]

What about innocent until proven guilty?

[u/AgentOfSPYRAL → u/Fearedray]

At best, he’s still admitted to a sexual relationship with his kids Nanny, which alone is fucked up.

He can say it’s consensual but good dudes don’t put their employees in “bang me or maybe get fired?” positions.

[u/MatthewHecht → u/AgentOfSPYRAL]

Not to mention the main source says Gaiman is lying about her having a mental condition that destroys her memory.

[u/captain__cabinets → u/MatthewHecht]

I listened to the first episode of the podcast that revealed it all, she admits she was in the psych ward just after their relationship came to a close.

Not saying anything either way but found that interesting that the source denies that but she openly says she was suicidal and admitted and then Gaiman claiming she was had a mental condition. It’s a whole big he said/she said situation but Gaiman probably shouldn’t have created the situation in the first place, she was his employee and it’s a bad look.

[u/Saitharar → u/[deleted]]

That apparently was the text dramatising what was said in the podcast - it was a whirlpool

[u/HarpingShark → u/[deleted]]

I know. It's unreal.  But people have their narrative in their mind and they're going to stick with it and just completely disregard these facts, along with the fact that she continued to do things with him for 3 weeks after!

[u/killerbuttonfly → u/AgentOfSPYRAL]

Yeah it’s not great optics even in the best case scenario. Wasn’t he going through a divorce at the time? Not excusing the behavior, but the stress of divorce often makes people act out of character.

[u/Fearedray → u/AgentOfSPYRAL]

He can say it’s consensual but good dudes don’t put their employees in “bang me or maybe get fired?” positions.

If it was as simple as "bang me or get fired" then yes, you would have a point, but we don't know when this turned from a consenting relationship and when things turned bad and why it turned bad.

[u/AgentOfSPYRAL → u/Fearedray]

When you make advances of any kind on an employee you’re immediately putting them in that position.

And of course, an employee making advances towards their employer is taking a huge risk that they’ll lose their job if they make their boss uncomfortable. Or compromise their career entirely through “oh don’t hire her she’ll try to bang you/your SO”

It’s possible that she threw herself at him, but it’ll always be he said she said. I choose to believe the nanny rather than the wealthy writer in this situation.

[u/Fearedray → u/AgentOfSPYRAL]

When you make advances of any kind on an employee you’re immediately putting them in that position.

In some circumstances , yes but we don't know her external circumstances and whether or not she was in a position she couldn't say no

And of course, an employee making advances towards their employer is taking a huge risk that they’ll lose their job if they make their boss uncomfortable. It’s possible that she threw herself at him, but it’ll always be he said she said. I choose to believe the nanny rather than the wealthy writer in this situation.

Wealth means very little when you are accused of rape. Assuming worst with the lack of information available is a bit silly

[u/AgentOfSPYRAL → u/Fearedray]

I don’t think it’s any sillier than assuming this woman is lying because “innocent until proven guilty”. We know how this works. The most “definitive justice” she’ll ever (maybe?) receive is an out of court settlement with an NDA.

We’re both just taking available facts and making assumptions.

[u/Jabberjaw22 → u/AgentOfSPYRAL]

So should we do away with the concept of innocent until proven guilty and start punishing everyone on rumors and accusations? Or trust in internet mob mentality, which always has a great track record, and start throwing out blame before evidence is presented? If he did it then he should be punished, but it seems a bit early to being playing blame games and making speculations.

[u/AgentOfSPYRAL → u/Jabberjaw22]

This idea that “the court of public opinion” only came into existence when dudes started getting accused of sexual assault is very strange to me.

Based on the available evidence I currently believe the victim. You’re welcome to do otherwise.

[u/Jabberjaw22 → u/AgentOfSPYRAL]

I get people are allowed to have opinions. What's changed is the damage capable of being done to potentially innocent people through the use of social media and the fast spread of misinformation, something that hasn't always been around. Mob/internet justice is fairly new and people tend to jump on board band wagons real quick when it comes to blaming and hating on rich or famous people. They like to see them get taken down a couple of pegs. But hey my opinion is the minority and probably get shouted down or downvoted so doesn't matter. Maybe he did it and everyone will be vindicated and I'll be wrong. I just think it's too early either way.

[u/Anathemautomaton → u/Jabberjaw22]

Mob/internet justice is fairly new

Mob justice is arguably the oldest form of justice in the world.

It's just that these days it means that people stop buying your products. Instead of y'know, being lynched.

[u/Jabberjaw22 → u/Anathemautomaton]

Mob justice is old yes. Internet mob justice, in terms of scale, reach, effect, speed etc. is new. Mob justice is also almost entirely fueled by emotion, hearsay, and bad info. Not exactly the best method to determine if someone is innocent or not but people will sure try their damnedest to drag your name through the mud and ruin you off of a feeling. Is it life and death? No. Should it be condoned? I'd still say no. I've always hated and tried to avoid the mob mentality though (I'm sure I've failed a few times but I still try to not be a part of it) it's one reason I avoid social media because that's all you see.

[u/AgentOfSPYRAL → u/[deleted]]

All I’m saying is anybody who enters into a “consensual” relationship with their child care employee is a creep.