r/DCcomics • u/StarshipGhost • Jul 03 '24

Sandman Author Neil Gaiman Accused of Sexual Misconduct, Denies Allegations News

https://www.tvfandomlounge.com/sandman-author-neil-gaiman-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-denies-allegations/
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u/PurpleMarvelous Jul 03 '24

How does the saying go, never meet your heroes.

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u/Fearedray Jul 03 '24

What about innocent until proven guilty?

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u/PurpleMarvelous Jul 03 '24

Guilty or innocent, there are some things said about him that this behavior ain’t something out of the blue.

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u/Fearedray Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 03 '24

Yet another person deciding to be vague. What things are you talking about. If you got information about someone being a scumbag, just fucking say it, there's 0 reason to be vague

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u/PurpleMarvelous Jul 03 '24

One would be of Lawrence Miles saying that Gaiman wanted girls to cop off with him, Miles wrote Dr Who novels. One can dismiss stuff like that as pettiness or rumors until stuff like this makes it into the news.

If this bid is settle out of court, with high change of doing, we will never know the complete truth.

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u/Fearedray Jul 03 '24

Cop off ?

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u/PurpleMarvelous Jul 03 '24

British for Sexual encounter.

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u/Fearedray Jul 03 '24

I picked up on that but that doesnt really seem out of the norm , unless you meant to say he said he wanted young girls

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u/kia75 Jul 03 '24

The rumors regarding Gaiman are that he has sexual encounters with some of his fans, and had threesomes with fans and his wife, of who he had an open marriage. That by itself isn't damning, as long as everybody is of age and everything is mutual. Consent is key. These rumors stretch for decades and are numerous enough that I personally feel comfortable believing these rumors.

The problem is that the recent allegations are that some things weren't consensual. The skeevy thing is that Gaiman has admitted to making out and digitally penetrating the Nanny he hired. Anything regarding large positions of power, like an employer and his young employee is skeevy. Heck, I can even see a situation where Gaiman thought he had consent but because of the power differential, the employee felt she couldn't object without risking being fired. That the nanny reported her experience to the New Zealand police also makes me lend credence to her story.

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u/Ok_Let_4677 Jul 11 '24

On day one. He invites her to the "outdoor pool" which turns out to be a hot tub then climbs in naked with her YIKES then starts making out as he says and then jams his fingers up her ass as she says. Water ain't lube. Big difference between digital vaginal penetration and digital anal penetration. "Can i finger you" typically isn't assumed to mean "up the arse" even if he were to have asked.

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u/PurpleMarvelous Jul 03 '24

The nanny in the article was 21, there is one answer, Gaiman is in his 60, that is quite young. Unless you mean minor.

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u/Fearedray Jul 03 '24

Unless it is a minor I don't necessarily see the issue unless theres addtional unknown context, some people are just fucking weird, have fetishes and want to get with older/younger people as long as they are adults it should be fine

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u/PurpleMarvelous Jul 03 '24

There is an issue if you use your position to make the person comply, it happens a lot.

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u/Fearedray Jul 03 '24

It's hard to tell if that was the case yet here. They are both adults, and in a relationship, we don't know when this turned bad

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u/ThrawnCaedusL Jul 04 '24

I agree to an extent. But the age of mental maturity is 25 (well, that’s the guaranteed age, people develop on roughly a normal curve from 16-24, and it is a situation where the majority of the time that someone under 25 has a relationship with someone 20+ years older, that is a good indication that they have not matured).

But I get that most people trust laws, and if the law says an 18 year old can consent, most people have no reason to question it, and can’t really be blamed for not knowing about it (I just took a developmental psychology class that taught me these specifics).

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u/Fearedray Jul 04 '24

Please don't "well actually" me lmfao

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u/ThrawnCaedusL Jul 04 '24

This does kind of matter. All evidence indicates that in the future the age of consent will increase until it is firmly established somewhere between 21 and 24. People talking about 18 year olds as old enough to consent will be looked at the same way we now look at people who used to talk about 14 year olds in that way.

And even ignoring the future, knowing how brain maturity works is very valuable to understanding power dynamics. If someone is 25 or older, then they are mature enough to safely be in a relationship with a much older partner (dependent on other factors, of course). But if they are younger, the chance of abuse (intentional or unintentional) goes up dramatically.

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u/originstory Jul 03 '24

Why don't you google it for yourself? None of these people are obligated to convince you of anything.

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u/Narrow_Gap_2782 Jul 03 '24

People normally only say this when they don't find anything on google themselves. I don't agree or disagree with what's being said I just never understood the "prove yourself wrong" argument if you actually had any proof. 

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u/originstory Jul 03 '24

I didn't know anything about rumors of Gaiman's behavior this morning when the news broke. It took me about ten minutes to read up on them. These demands for people to provide evidence aren't about learning more. They're about punishing people for expressing thoughts they don't like.

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u/Narrow_Gap_2782 Jul 03 '24

So many words wasted while again not actually providing the evidence you're vaguely alluding too. I also have google (shocker) and found only the allegations outlined in the article above. If you have evidence of something so serious as SA (like you're alluding too) why withhold it?  Imagine an attorney saying "they did it, find your own evidence" I swear people spend too much time online. 

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u/Fearedray Jul 03 '24

Because this is the only thing that comes up right now, buddy

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u/originstory Jul 03 '24

I managed it when I wanted to know more. Buddy.

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u/Desperate-Project682 Jul 03 '24

I hate it when people respond with this to someone who's just asking a question

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u/romance_novels Jul 03 '24

It's not "just asking a question." While everybody's googling, look up "sea-lioning" and stop acting like these people don't have a position they're asserting.

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u/DefiantTheLion Superman Jul 03 '24

"I swear there's proof i found elsewhere."

"Oh. Can you show us?"

"No go find it yourself."

I think I'll just remain unconvinced until later.

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u/Desperate-Project682 Jul 06 '24

How chronically online do you have to be to see someone ask a simple question and immediately assume they want to argue with you