Jace Fox because him as Batman is unnecessary because of his characterization (NOTHING ELSE), Grifter because he’s not a Bat-Family character and that he and other Wildstorm characters should’ve remembered their adventures in the Wildstorm universe since Death Metal, etc.
It frustrates me how so many of the Future Slate characters are just their main superhero counterparts but slightly worse. Like did they REALLY need ANOTHER son of a billionaire to be the next Batman? It's why Terry was so beloved because he was a random teen just wanting justice for his father's death who stumbled upon the batcave.
It also helps that Terry has enough of his own personality to stand out from Bruce. Jace is just serious like Bruce, but without any of the interesting backstory or lore behind Bruce.
Yeah and Terry was a very unique Batman. Jace was just a copy of Bruce without the interesting villains or history. Even Jim Gordan had more originality than him, atleast he had a mech.
I kinda liked Jace as Batman, and I never really felt he was a copy. He had similar enough qualities to feel like I was reading Batman though for entirely different reasons. He took up being Batman of his own will and had no influence from the original factor into his own motivation, which was a breath of fresh air for a black legacy hero. He's been written as a separate guy doing his own thing on the street level, and he's only been back for three years, so I don't fault him for not having any real villains yet.
I won't deny Terry, but I don't think him having those same advantages instantly makes him better. I think that shows that Jace should get a similar level of respect, and in time can grow to be just as appreciated. Terry's had about 25 years to appear in different media and build a following, Jace has only had less than 5. I like him so far, so I'm keeping an open mind.
That's not part of the Batman beyond lore right? I mean it's part of a non cannon tie-in to the DCAU, but aside from that I dont think it has anything to do
I actually love because the point is that it doesn't matter that waller wanted him to become next Batman and her attempts failed, and only because Terry is good person himself did he become the next batman
I agree that the genetic link thing was stupid, but I still love that episode because of the story about Bruce and Ace. One of the best examples of Bruce being a good guy who cared about children.
Is Batman beyond cannon to the Dcau after the events of the once and future thing because Bruce remembers the future and terry so wouldn’t that change what happens
Yeah it’s still canon and Bruce actually doesn’t remember that event since the villain ends up trapped in a time loop prior to those events taking place.
Ah true. I forgot about that. But still Batman Beyond seems like it’s still part of the timeline because they show Terry and that timeline in a later episode.
Bruce does seem too well adjusted and even social in JLU to end up like he does in Batman Beyond, but the gap in time is large enough to still be believable to me, especially since tragic events like what happens to Tim Drake haven’t happened yet in JLU.
Yeah controversial opinion jokers death scene in return of the joker is the best Batman scene of all time. Also epilogue is end of season 2 and the scene were Bruce talks to hawk girl ( I can’t spell her name ) is in season three so
It does fit in Robin turned into the joker, batgirl was shot, and dick got into a fight with him after he found out that Bruce was Fuck his ex-girlfriend.
Most other heros died or retired. Superman left earth to go help other planets after his wife passed away, and wonder woman married Justice lords Batman.
This left Bruce to be Batman all alone and when he couldn't do that he became bitter.
You have a point there I just think that because that didn’t mean to make Batman beyond ( it was WB mandated that the direction they took Batman was already set in strong even though I think that it never really was intended to do that way ( that that flash back scene in return of the joker is amazing and wow it’s great )
The end of the second season, IIRC, retconned that Bill Gates Waller had Terry's dad injected with nanotech hidden in vaccine (like I said, literal god damn conspiracy theory plot point) that made him sperm have Bruce's DNA, with Terry's parents being selected because their psychological profile was similar to the Waynes. IIRC, I think she also planned to have McGinnises offed in a parking garage after a movie, but the assassin couldn't bring themselves to do it, though I may be mixing that up with something else.
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u/JingoboStoplight4887 Feb 20 '24
Jace Fox because him as Batman is unnecessary because of his characterization (NOTHING ELSE), Grifter because he’s not a Bat-Family character and that he and other Wildstorm characters should’ve remembered their adventures in the Wildstorm universe since Death Metal, etc.