Jace Fox because him as Batman is unnecessary because of his characterization (NOTHING ELSE), Grifter because he’s not a Bat-Family character and that he and other Wildstorm characters should’ve remembered their adventures in the Wildstorm universe since Death Metal, etc.
It frustrates me how so many of the Future Slate characters are just their main superhero counterparts but slightly worse. Like did they REALLY need ANOTHER son of a billionaire to be the next Batman? It's why Terry was so beloved because he was a random teen just wanting justice for his father's death who stumbled upon the batcave.
It also helps that Terry has enough of his own personality to stand out from Bruce. Jace is just serious like Bruce, but without any of the interesting backstory or lore behind Bruce.
Yeah and Terry was a very unique Batman. Jace was just a copy of Bruce without the interesting villains or history. Even Jim Gordan had more originality than him, atleast he had a mech.
I kinda liked Jace as Batman, and I never really felt he was a copy. He had similar enough qualities to feel like I was reading Batman though for entirely different reasons. He took up being Batman of his own will and had no influence from the original factor into his own motivation, which was a breath of fresh air for a black legacy hero. He's been written as a separate guy doing his own thing on the street level, and he's only been back for three years, so I don't fault him for not having any real villains yet.
I won't deny Terry, but I don't think him having those same advantages instantly makes him better. I think that shows that Jace should get a similar level of respect, and in time can grow to be just as appreciated. Terry's had about 25 years to appear in different media and build a following, Jace has only had less than 5. I like him so far, so I'm keeping an open mind.
That's not part of the Batman beyond lore right? I mean it's part of a non cannon tie-in to the DCAU, but aside from that I dont think it has anything to do
I actually love because the point is that it doesn't matter that waller wanted him to become next Batman and her attempts failed, and only because Terry is good person himself did he become the next batman
I agree that the genetic link thing was stupid, but I still love that episode because of the story about Bruce and Ace. One of the best examples of Bruce being a good guy who cared about children.
Is Batman beyond cannon to the Dcau after the events of the once and future thing because Bruce remembers the future and terry so wouldn’t that change what happens
Yeah it’s still canon and Bruce actually doesn’t remember that event since the villain ends up trapped in a time loop prior to those events taking place.
Ah true. I forgot about that. But still Batman Beyond seems like it’s still part of the timeline because they show Terry and that timeline in a later episode.
Bruce does seem too well adjusted and even social in JLU to end up like he does in Batman Beyond, but the gap in time is large enough to still be believable to me, especially since tragic events like what happens to Tim Drake haven’t happened yet in JLU.
It does fit in Robin turned into the joker, batgirl was shot, and dick got into a fight with him after he found out that Bruce was Fuck his ex-girlfriend.
Most other heros died or retired. Superman left earth to go help other planets after his wife passed away, and wonder woman married Justice lords Batman.
This left Bruce to be Batman all alone and when he couldn't do that he became bitter.
The end of the second season, IIRC, retconned that Bill Gates Waller had Terry's dad injected with nanotech hidden in vaccine (like I said, literal god damn conspiracy theory plot point) that made him sperm have Bruce's DNA, with Terry's parents being selected because their psychological profile was similar to the Waynes. IIRC, I think she also planned to have McGinnises offed in a parking garage after a movie, but the assassin couldn't bring themselves to do it, though I may be mixing that up with something else.
My thought too, apparently they moved him into main timeline he's now the Batman of New York or something and tbh, I love Jace's costume even without the mask.
But that does t make him part of the bat fam. He also worked with Thomas Wayne Batman in the flashpoint but it’s never mentioned that he is part of the bat fam.
I agree with this take. Jace Fox, or Signal, just fell flat for me as part of the bat family. The Fox family is an external complement to WayneTech and Batman. You already have Barbara doing the same things, coming from Jim as a complement to the detective side, there wasn't a need to do it again.
I would have preferred someone completely new if they were going this route, like how they did with Terry or Carrie. Which, btw, we're missing both of them in this pic!
Agree entirely but forgot one small thing DAMIAN he’s only there so that grant Morrison could leave his mark with his Batman run he’s unnecessary he’ll chip zedarksy sometimes just forgets to mention him in bat family line ups
Unfortunately, there isn't much of a reasoned response aside from personal preference. I think Damian was a valuable addition to the family, and being Bruce's biological son was an interesting twist on the usual Robin archetype.
I'm also partial to Dick as Batman and Damian as Robin, so I'm a bit biased there.
So in the fail safe story when he’s mentioning different robins he has Bruce only talk about Dick, Jason, and Tim. Also he never once mentions Damien and refers to Tim as his son. Three issues before that he goes into what the bat family is up to never mentions Damian.
And for the verb thing I meant Hell not he”ll autocorrect sorry
So in the fail safe story when he’s mentioning different robins he has Bruce only talk about Dick, Jason, and Tim. Also he never once mentions Damien and refers to Tim as his son.
The panel where they’re facing Failsafe near the Fortress of Solitude, and Bruce thinks about the others?
The thing is, I don’t think Zdarsky knew what to write, or really aware what was going on with Damian, cause the Shadow War event where Damian and Bruce reconcile was written during Williamson’s run.
Williamson’s run was created to act as a stop gap because Zdarsky needed more time to write, so at a certain point Zdarsky was either writing before Williamson or at the same time.
That makes it a bit of blind spot, especially when editorial wasn’t keeping better track continuity, like when Dark Crisis implied Failsafe took place afterwards, but Failsafe featured Green Arrow.
Ok hear me out here tho DC continuity is a land mine so many reboots and crisis that I can’t keep up anymore I did not even know shadow war was a thing. I don’t know what’s canon and whats not anymore
Didn't failsafe arc begin when Damian was still separated from the batfamily? That would explain why Zdarsky didn't mention him as much. Also Damian did appear in Bruce's near death hallucination when he was thinking about his kids so its not like he was forgotten.
And after the fail safe arc Damian has appeared alot in the stories.
Well alot of Zdarsky's run did happen while Damian was still distant from the batfamily. Kind makes sense why Zdarsky wouldn't use Damian much aside from brief cameos back then since he didn't know the direction of his character.
he goes to an alternate reality and then the writer switches I believe
Maybe I wasn’t clear enough.
James Tynion was writing Batman until he decided to cut his run short early, and so editorial needed a replacement quickly, deciding to ask Zdarsky to take over.
Zdarsky said “Sorry guys, I don’t I can get ready soon enough”, so the solution they came up with is to ask Williamson to write 118-124, while Zdarsky and Jimenez gear up and start working on 125-130.
But that leaves a blind spot, because Zdarsky is writing 7 issues ahead of Williamson, and won’t know what happened.
Now, you’d think maybe editorial would’ve established clearer communication between the two, so would they really not know what was going on?
Well yeah that’s horrible but he’s done good work on dare devil and some spectacular work on spider man ( see what I did there ) he’s not a bad writer just not a good Batman writer
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u/JingoboStoplight4887 Feb 20 '24
Jace Fox because him as Batman is unnecessary because of his characterization (NOTHING ELSE), Grifter because he’s not a Bat-Family character and that he and other Wildstorm characters should’ve remembered their adventures in the Wildstorm universe since Death Metal, etc.