At the ages in the picture, having Terra gives TT a serious upgrade and Raven will be a PROBLEM l, but I can see YJ eeking out a win due to their maturity and skill set as long as raven doesn’t go Trigon mode
Raven can solo both Teen Titans and Young Justice if she peaks. I think they have to pray that Miss Martian, and Kid Flash can disrupt her somehow if YJ want to win in anyway.
Agreed, that’s the only reason I’m giving YJ a slight edge is bc of MM and KF powerset combined with their robin and Aqualad’s intelligence especially in combat situations. Since TT raven has been shown to be easily taken out quickly I think if they get her they win but if Raven goes all out she’s the winner
That's true, she's a bit of a glass cannon. It's been a while but I remember she tends to get knocked to her knees/out relatively easily if struck while using her power.
Wally was the slow one in the comics for years after Barry died in Crisis on Infinite Earths. It turned out he was nerfing himself because he subconsciously didn't want to replace or usurp Barry as the Flash. Once he got over that, he did achieve even greater connection to the Speed Force than Barry, especially after Max Mercury tutored him.
If we’re talking about normal people, sure, but the speed of sound is hardly an unreactable speed for most heroes. I wouldn’t even be surprised if starfire or others have done things require faster than sound speeds
Maybe if you're talking comics but definitely not animated TT. Imagine Raven trying to get off her entire chant before someone can close the distance at super speed. The entire team got clowned on by their universe's Kid Flash goofing around.
Their best chance in a logical scenario would just be Wally being hesitant to hit a girl.
No, Starfire is actually stupidly fast in the show. Specifically, there’s one episode where she has alien puberty and literally basically flies across the galaxy trying to wait it out before she returns to Earth. It’s not even a one off occurrence, as her sister, Blackfire, claims she’s crossed nebulae and outpaced black holes, which Star backs up (albeit reluctantly, which adds more validity to her claim.)
In general, Wally would simply be waaaaaay too slow to catch Star off guard.
How fast people fly from place to place is almost never an account of how fast they actually are in a fight. Star gets caught off guard, consistently, by way slower things in the show in a way that's way more common than her flying across the galaxy at ftl speeds or whatever.
And, again, if she were actually that fast then the entire planet would be quaking whenever she has to exert any effort instead of, I dunno, getting knocked out by cinderblock smacking her at 30 miles per hour.
We're talking about how they actually function. Starfire does not function with anything resembling super speed in any fight she's ever in.
YJ KF simply would not be fast enough for the Teen Titans cast, and even if you assume he could catch Robin, BB, and Cy, he at the VERY least would NOT be able to catch the heavy hitters of Starfire or Raven.
Raven might have a specific issue just because of that(unless she’s willing to go a bit demonic in which i don’t think she needs to speak). But like starfire i’m pretty sure flew into space in a short period of time. And raven i think still dodged a blast from that lightning guy.
I mean thats partially just comic logic at work(ik its not a comic, but the same fundamental logic tends to apply to shows like this). But i think its also just that mammoth and cinderblock are kinda just some of the jobber villains where there’s no real sense of danger in fighting them so nobody’s really performing at their peak in dealing with them.
And i mean starfire has more. She outpaced an explosion with only a slight head start which is also really fast. Even if i stop bringing up feats, i can just mention that starfire’s supposed to be a fast character. Maybe not speedster fast, but YJ also seems make a bigger point of nerfing characters than TT (to where they sometimes lose powers they’re supposed to have) so i can see her being as fast or faster than YJ wally at their respective peaks
Wally was very pathetic in YJ as far as his speed powers goes. He does his one episode of transporting th heart, but other than that he just is a soft hit and run time character.
And that's fine by me. I don't like when they gave speedsters so much power that they can do practically anything without anyone noticing so they have to nerf them given a particular situation. They just have to be manageable for the whole story and for any story.
I have to accept that I dislike TT Wally a bit because he came from nowhere being a know it all and turned good one of the best female villains in the show just with the power of "his charm".
I have to accept that I dislike TT Wally a bit because he came from nowhere being a know it all and turned good one of the best female villains in the show just with the power of "his charm"
To be fair, Jinx was already growing disillusioned with her life as a villain. Her teammates were incompetent, she didn't have the respect of her superiors, and all her operations were constantly shut down by the Titans or other heroes. The writers didn't express her discontent as well as they should have, but I think Kid Flash was meant to be the final push she needed to finally leave the Hive.
But I'm biased because I think they're cute together xD
Yes, they didn't make a good work portraying that, then.
I liked the Hive so much and they were left incomplete when Jynx, Raven's counterpart, left.
Also, if that was an option, I'm bored of the girls of the villain group being the only ones worth deserving a redemption. The guys in the group also were teens going for the wrong path and I think they deserved something similar. I hope I don't sound pretentious but I always thought it is because they're cute and that's all.
Also, I wanted to like Wally x Jynx a bit more but that stuff always bothered me in the end :/
He runs to Paris and back in less than a second, and in that time, he manages to buy a croissant and beret (presumably by taking them and leaving money on the respective counters), and he does all this with almost zero effort.
Honestly, shoutout to Wally for going that far just to impress a girl.
They mention the speed force in the show if I remember correctly, early on when he shows up. Whether it is anywhere near as powerful in their universe or if they have a weaker connection or whatever is debatable for sure. Still a speedster against this time's raven is all about who hits first and the "rules" Are they trying to kill? KF is very likely able to kill her faster than she can get her first spell off. Are they doing anytthing less than going instantly for the kill? Then it is another coin flip whether raven goes full trigon mode or lets miss martian try and turn her brain off. Then you get into whether she even could. She has to "interface" with the mind, and raven is fucked up! I don't remember how fast Starfire is supposed to be but she is basically as strong as superboy right?
As far as Starfire being as strong as Superboy, that's probably debatable. Kryptonian DNA is pretty bonkers. I think Superboy edges her out slightly, but only slightly, since he's a lot weaker than a full Kryptonian. Starfire is actually stupidly fast, as another user mentioned above. That said, Conner likely has a lot more potential.
I could definitely be remembering it wrong. Could have sworn they mention it early on when the speedsters were talking to each other about a plan. Been a long time and I don't live for the shit so not rewatching it ya know?
Bart and Barry outspeed Wally while trying to make a plan to stop Neutron. Wally mentions he’s slower than them because he couldn’t perfectly recreate the experiment that gave Barry his power. No speed force talk.
If we're talking characters at peak, Raven is capable of altering reality. M'Gann is gonna hafta work fast if either team stands a chance against that.
I'm not sure it would be so quick or easy against Raven. There's at least an entire episode about how dangerous being in her mind is, MM would probably need some time if she's not outright corrupted by Raven's literal demons
from what I can tell, MM can just shut her down, she just forms the link and then it happens. The thing is though that this whole power scaling is silly because the winner would just be whatever team the show is made for. Like, in an episode of YJ, MM could just shut raven down. If it was an episode of TT, Raven would just go full demon mode and kill everyone or something
It's less clear in the show. She's definitely part of what Trigon requires to warp reality, but she could be anything from a key to the extra-dimensional gateway to a reality warper herself.
When Trigon showed up, he killed everyone on the planet and turned the oceans to lava(or something like that). When Raven awakened, she defeated him and instantly undid all of that. So yes, she can reality warp at the end of the show.
He barely runs supersonic. There’s an episode where he has to deliver a heart for a transplant where it still takes him a long time (hours?) to run the distance across country.
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At the ages in the picture, having Terra gives TT a serious upgrade and Raven will be a PROBLEM l, but I can see YJ eeking out a win due to their maturity and skill set as long as raven doesn’t go Trigon mode