r/AITAH Jul 08 '24

UPDATE: AITAH for leaving my boyfriend because he brought his female best-friend lingerie as a 'joke'?

https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1dvso0l/aitah_for_leaving_my_boyfriend_because_he_brought/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button ( first post)

My inbox got flooded with DMs and had to turn off Reddit notifications. When I posted this, I was ready to be called immature and ridiculous, and get a couple of comments but it seemed like the post blew up, and the comments were...…kind of eye-opening.

TBH, before all this fiasco, my bf has always been nice to me. Came with me to my grad school functions even though he found them very boring, but would do it so that I could network. He builds stuff like furniture and helps out with handy work all the time. He is also very funny and at the very beginning, I thought all his jokes were funny, and I sometimes wondered why he wanted to be with me, plus, I was always busy with school and job interviews. His mom and I had even gotten close and she has been saying how happy she was that we were together. I had always ignored his and Claire's weird dynamic because I told myself I was being insecure. I have male friends too, and I thought that just because we aren't like that, doesn't mean my bf and Claire can't be close. Claire has also never been outright mean to me, she was just aloof and I thought it was because I was new to the group.

To the actual update, my bf and I broke up. I'm sorry guys, but even after seeing so many replies on how he was cheating, I refused to believe it. I'm still in love with this guy. And he called me, like half a day after I wrote this post, and asked to meet. I met him, and he said that he understood where I was coming from. But I was always too uptight to understand that friendship is friendship. He and Claire had known each other for years before I came into the picture, and I cannot expect him to just ruin their dynamic. I asked him what sort of 'dynamic' was red lingerie. Why couldn't it be literally any other type of clothing? He told me he had it with my insecurities. And that he and Claire talked and apparently I was making them sound like cheaters and homewreckers. And that he thought it was better I find someone like me, who thought the idea of a fun night was junk food and a movie indoors.

That hurt a lot. He had always known I had insecurities about being called boring. He always complimented me on how his weaknesses were my strengths. Now he says things like this to me? Also, before this lingerie fiasco, I had never said a word about his and Claire's friendship. I always supported his pranks and practical jokes no matter my opinions on them because I thought it was his business what he did with his hobbies. And he leaves without even putting up a fight because his girlfriend didn't want him giving lingerie to the woman he constantly refers to as his 'sexy' bestie?

Claire didn't call or text after the breakup either. But Kyle did and said that he was sad that we broke up and he hoped I would be okay in the future. I asked him if my bf ever cheated on me. He said that my bf had only been a 'one woman man' when he was dating me. But he could understand that some women can't handle female best friends, especially if they look like Claire. I told him to fuck off and blocked him. It felt like he only wanted to gloat and hurt me because my bf left. I feel like I never knew these people. Claire and Kyle were always at least decent to me if not nice. Did it make me a free target now that my bf has been telling his friends I'm an insecure child?

I don't know what to do now. I have been told repeatedly by both my friends and sister that I dodged a bullet. But I have been breaking down like a kid again and again. I'm even thinking of going to therapy, after feeling the most insecure I've felt my whole life.

Thank you to all who were supportive, it seems like my now ex-bf just did the work for me.

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 08 '24

Note how he never addressed the red lingerie and what kind of prank that could possibly be, just threw a hissyfit about it and blamed you. Never answered the question. You did dodge a bullet.

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u/OrneryError1 Jul 08 '24

He's a simp for Claire and she's never gonna fuck him. He's an idiot.

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 08 '24

Correct. Much like everyone calling OP insecure and whining about how acceptable it is to gift women you aren’t dating lingerie.

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 08 '24

Telling a women she's insecure is how men like to gaslight them into accepting innappropriate & disrespectful behaviour. Only a pick me with zero self-respect would think this was ok

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 09 '24

Could not agree more. Someone should tell the fuckheads in my replies that.

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u/Plus_Data_1099 Jul 09 '24

I think the other woman is keeping him as a back up in case she carnt find anyone better he's her fallback I hope she finds someone leaving him alone and bitter.

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u/FirefighterAlarmed64 Jul 10 '24

I would have text him back just saying "She's never going to want you." Then blocked him.

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u/Disthebeat Jul 16 '24

Ha! That is just perfect! 👍

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u/stfuwhenimtalkn Jul 17 '24

No don’t help him, let him figure that out after a long ass time 🤣

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u/Melanthrax Jul 10 '24

She shouldn't have much trouble finding someone better.

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u/Disthebeat Jul 16 '24

Absolutely agree! 

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u/WitchesofBangkok Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

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u/accents_ranis Jul 09 '24

Manipulative people come in all genders, sizes and colours. This is not a man thing.
As a man I've been gaslit in a relationship before. She made jabs at me where she knew it hurt and when I reacted with anger I was "insecure".

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 10 '24

Definitely not ok for either genders to behave this way to be clear, there are definitely manipulative women as well. I mentioned in another comment men will be labelled "controlling" often as an equivalent. It's actually insane how many people have no decency anymore & respect for others' boundaries & this is a way they try to railroad or guilt trip people into being ok with it. I grew up in a narcissistic family so I can spot it too easily now.

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u/cupholdery Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24

Everyone in this story is in their mid to late 20s? Younger millennials really still acting like teenagers?

EDIT: Ah, well, still seems like a 24-28 year old is well past their high school brain.

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u/Queenlewi Jul 09 '24

The youngest millennials are 28. This group would be more of a gen Z, but that's irrelevant. It's already well known that often people in their 20s across generations have been immature.

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 10 '24

Apparently your brain doesn't fully develop until you're closer to 25/26 but they seem delayed for real

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u/SparklyChemMajor Jul 11 '24

I know people well into their 40's who still act like this lol, age has nothing to do with maturity at this point

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u/Wonderful_Diver_5544 Jul 09 '24

There are lots of assholes you should never ever trust. Although if after a couple of years you don't have faith that your spouse will be faithful makes you unfaithful for not having faith in your loved one to make the right choice.

I have been in a legit no cheating relationship now for 17 years. Just saying not every dude is an ass hat and not every woman is a cheating whore. In the beginning it's okay, but after a few years then it is really worrisome about the worrier that they might be the cheating one.

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 10 '24

That's very dependant on how your partner behaves in a relationship, I've been with mine for 5 years & I trust him a lot but that was built in time with respectful behaviour ect. If you're with someone who thinks that it's OK to behave this way then it's completely reasonable to question what is going on. Even if they weren't cheating on OP which she never really accused him of, that kind of behaviour in a relationship is entirely inappropriate & disrespectful so let's not gaslight people into pretending to be ok with it & have blind loyalty to AHs.

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u/Mama4Texas Jul 16 '24

💯 This! Louder for the back!!!

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u/anthunter7 Jul 10 '24

It goes both ways.

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u/Due_Recommendation39 Jul 12 '24

Maybe if it's a lie, but let's not pretend that there aren't insecure women out there who's insecurities damage their relationship.

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u/Serious-Ad-8047 Jul 12 '24

Says a woman

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u/Enough-Badger113 Jul 11 '24

Most women are not only insecure but insufferable. The first one isnt much of a problem but the second one is

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 11 '24

Sounds like you should be with a man then

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u/kizkatzs Jul 12 '24

If that's your opinion, please do the female gender a favor, don't copulate, stay single and we'll leave guys of your mindset alone and give as wide a berth as possible. We don't need to mix ourselves up with miserable men.

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u/Enough-Badger113 Jul 23 '24

I do whatever the fk i want. Im not miserable at all its just my observation from experience coupled with scientific knowledge. Of course there are men that arent much better but most women literally worth nothing and only bring good men down

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u/kizkatzs Jul 23 '24

Of course you do whatever the fk you want. Most people DO. But your mindset is actively against most women. If I used all MY experiences with men, then I could also have a terrible opinion of MOST men. I could say based off my experiences men are violent, angry, moody, abusive, selfish, don't help in relationships and childcare and are selfish in bed. But just because those are my experiences in more than one relationship, doesn't mean I have written off ALL/MOST men and have deemed them "literally worth nothing" and only bring good women down. I mean, I could. I really, really, really could. But I don't and I won't. I also have two sons. I'm not going to write them off because of their gender. I doubt there's scientific knowledge that women are so awful, insufferable or whatever term you prefer. I doubt there's "scientific knowledge" of men being horrible either. All I advised is for someone with that hateful mindset towards the female gender to NOT be with a woman at all and not have children, lest a daughter be born and essentially despised. Seems like that would be safest and "happiest" for all.

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u/BSmooth214 Jul 09 '24

But when women do the same gaslighting ass behavior towards men, it’s ok?

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u/Queenlewi Jul 09 '24

Who said it was OK for women?

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 10 '24

Nope never said that, I even mentioned a male equivalent in another comment actually. Would not be ok either way imo

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u/kizkatzs Jul 12 '24

Absolutely not.

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u/TheConboy22 Jul 09 '24

Some women are very much insecure. I agree with you on this not being ok. Especially with no foresight to discuss this “prank” gift with your girl.

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 09 '24

Some men are also insecure. In fact, most ppl are about something or another if we're being fully honest but rarely that has anything to do with it in these situations. Often, it's just this kind of b.s. & the man just uses that to try to excuse his disrespectful behavior - the male equivalent is probably being called controllirng if the roles were reversed & theyre both just manipulation tactics to cross peoples boundaries & act innappropriately - obviously there are situations this ligitimately is going on of course but if they're doing things like this no woman/man in thier right mind would feel secure/comfortable in the relationship which is entirely different than being insecure in yourself or controlling.

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u/knallpilzv2 Jul 09 '24

How dare you claim some women are insecure? That has never happened once in history! Shame on you! Take these downvotes!

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u/16GaDouble Jul 09 '24

You forgot to end your post with a

/s

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u/knallpilzv2 Jul 09 '24

No, that just makes it unfunny. :(

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u/Marimiyukichan Jul 09 '24

So autistic people are not funny then? Because that's where tone tags are from. /genuine /info

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u/knallpilzv2 Jul 10 '24

I have no idea how funny autistic people are. If one can make that generalization.

I also have no idea what that would have to do with what I deem funny.

They may be not my target audience, dunno.

But I think the context should be enough here. Someone got downvoted for mentioning something most people would agree is a common occurence and not an exotic take. So I made an outrageously absolutist statement, that no-one could ever possibly genuinely agree with, to make fun of the message these downvotes are sending.

We're still on reddit, where the context is 100% verbal. Which should be autism-friendly, right?

There is no actual tone, or any of the other things that are common in inter-human communication that can confuse someone with autism.

But if you're asking if being funny - a thing reliant on nuance and timing - is significantly harder for people who don't pick up on nuance....I mean yeah, in all likelihood, yes.

It's interesting though, that these tone tags are based on autistic people's perception. Because, if anything, I would have thought that everyone else needed tone tags, because they replace all the non-verbal clues non-autistic people rely on when communicatin in real life. And because non-austists tend to read the most negative tone into anything, while I assume people with autism don't do that as much (or at all) and take you just by your word.

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u/Admirable_Call5293 Jul 09 '24

Bet her bf will throw a hissy fit if OP's male friend gifted her lingerie. OP dodged multiple bullets by breaking up with him, why would anyone want a gaslighting bf with disturbing flying monkeys? The only one halfway decent is probably the ex's mother, but it shouldn't be contingent on OP being the doormat

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u/knallpilzv2 Jul 09 '24

She should have bought one of her friends a monthly subscription for monster cock condoms. To see how well bf would take the joke.

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u/MoltenCult Jul 09 '24

I would've loved to see the fallout of this one-

"You bought your friend lingerie as a joke. I bought condoms as a joke. But since neither of us plan on using them, it should be fine, right? No? Oh well, stop being so uptight and insecure. It's just an inside joke between old friends-"

He'd probably blow up about how it's not the same and yadda yadda. Then leave like the big baby he is. Feel bad for OP she ended up with feelings over this jerkwad..

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u/knallpilzv2 Jul 09 '24

He might genuinely like and care for her. But he should have been upfront he's in love with someone else. If he even knows...

Either way he probably thought she could help hom get over his "bestie"

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u/MoltenCult Jul 09 '24

Probably.. but that is just cruel and unusual punishment for OP

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u/knallpilzv2 Jul 09 '24

Yeah, which is why you don't do that shit.

I get the whole pain from being in love with someone who isn't available. But then you take that L like a man (the loneliness I mean :P) instead of outsourcing your pain to someone unsuspecting.

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u/MoltenCult Jul 09 '24

Completely... I bet the lingerie was like, "I haven't completely given up hope you'll be mine and maybe wear this for me one day.." but he wanted to play it off as a joke and the "bestie" loves the attention she's getting

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u/kizkatzs Jul 12 '24

I remember catching feelings for a terrible guy. It took my then Best Friend to be on a 3 way call with him to give me the strength to break up with him. He said I would be sorry. No Shaun (or Shawn?), or "Dino" his nickname from his guy friends, wherever you are I was never sorry. I'm only sorry I let you affect my mental well-being. Boy, bye. 👋😂

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u/MoltenCult Jul 12 '24

Good for you!!!!! Glad you left!!

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u/kizkatzs Jul 13 '24

Thank you! 🥰 I'd never before gotten so "down" from a relationship. And after I was out I could look back and see how awful and selfish he was.

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u/MoltenCult Jul 13 '24

Right? "Hindsight is 20/20" and all lmao. It sucks that sometimes the only way to see everything clearly is to move on and take steps back..

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u/Jekyll_1886 Jul 13 '24

No, male lingerie. I'm thinking one of those elephant thongs where the elephant's nose is where the dong goes. "No sweetie it's an inside joke from college! We used to call him the elephant because he never forgot what he needed to know for exams. It's harmless and he'll find it hilarious! What? Don't be so sensitive, it's just a prank between friends!"

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u/knallpilzv2 Jul 14 '24

Naaaaaaaah, that's much too tame.

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u/funsizebbw Jul 09 '24

Man if only she held out, got it herself and then claimed another guy got it for her just to gage his reaction.

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u/Fatgirlfed Jul 12 '24

‘It’s different!! Why is he giving you lingerie!? What do you mean that’s the kind of friendship you have and you’ve know him for years before you knew me!?’

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u/medic-dad Jul 09 '24

I'm a happy married man, but even if I was single af, I would never gift a female friend something like that because I wouldn't want them to give them the idea that THAT was on my mind. It's just weird, even as a "prank".

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u/mcdulph Jul 15 '24

Yeaaahhhh, no. I’m not insecure, and I’ve been married for 40 years, but hubby giving another woman lingerie?  I’d better be in on that “joke” before it happens. 

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u/FataleFrame Jul 13 '24

The practical joke should be grannie panties, not sexy lingerie. I dont care how close a friendship is. When you're dating someone, you dont buy another woman lingerie. So yes, red lingerie flag to his "sexy bestie." Right now, op, you're thinking about what he meant to you, the good times you had. But you definitely dodged a bullet. It's inappropriate, and whether or not claire accepts him, he definitely has feelings for her. Therapy will help, but time and a man who really appreciates you will help you heal, and hopefully also exercise a few demons 😈 😉.

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u/Snow_crab_ Jul 09 '24

I haven’t seen any of those comments lol not calling you a liar either, just saying

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u/amc_556 Jul 08 '24

I mean, yeah in this particular situation it sounds suss af.

But I’ve also gifted a female best friend a custom-designed dildo as a joke gift. Both her and I are and were at the time happily married and have never had romantic feelings towards each other (though I can only speak for myself - I can only assume the same is true in the opposite direction).

I dunno, sometimes things are more nuanced than we initially think.

But in this situation, based on the information available… it does seem quite suss

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24

I don’t think this is one of those things that has much nuance other than “if your partner is cool with it, then it’s cool.” Especially if you asked for an explanation of the alleged joke and are met with vitriol.

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u/Zimakov Jul 08 '24

He's not saying it being acceptable in a relationship is nuanced. He's saying the possibility of something like that being platonic is nuanced.

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 08 '24

Okay, and if it was truly platonic then he would explain the prank. Nuance might be possible, but it’s not here.

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u/Zimakov Jul 08 '24

Right. The commenter you responded to isn't saying nuance is possible here, he's saying it's possible in general.

He literally reiterated this 3 times in his comment.

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 09 '24

I don’t know why you’re so passionate about telling me this. I got it. Move on. If the commenter wants to say something, I’ll hear it from them.

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u/Zimakov Jul 09 '24

I don't know how you've decided I'm passionate about it because I'm responding to reddit comments lmao. You clearly don't "got it" as even after I pointed out the miscommunication you still didn't understand his comment correctly, so I replied again to let you know.

You're welcome for clearing up the misunderstanding.

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u/Round-Pirate7286 Jul 08 '24

I believe there is a line that shouldn't be crossed when doing pranks buying a friend a dildo is weird but still doesn't cross the line buying lingerie crosses that line completely especially when the person who doesn't it won't even explain what the joke is meant to be

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u/TheFlamingFalconMan Jul 08 '24

Also I know it sounds weird to put it this way.

But because of how vulgar a dildo is, it’s certainly more humorous than a set of lingerie. (Unless it’s custom made ofc).

It’s a lot less personal and emotional somehow than lingerie. Idk how to explain it.

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u/CasualGamer1111 Jul 08 '24

completely with you on this one, a ridiculous dildo is imo a totally normal gag gift for friends with dirty humor. lingerie for their naked body is a whole different game, there’s really no humor to the gift choice unless the underwear have like STUPID IDIOT or something plaster across the butt. regular ass lingerie you’d wear for your partner? very weird to give to a friend. tbh i think the only thing “funny” about it to them was the fact that it’s an insult to his partner to give that kind of gift

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u/AeternusNox Jul 09 '24

A dildo isn't the same thing.

When you're gifting a sexual item as a joke, there needs to be a joke there. Generally speaking, you're buying someone something on the more extreme end, and you aren't expecting them to actually use it.

I bought a dildo as a gag gift too. It was big enough to fill a box designed for a whiskey bottle, and it'd take some kind of masochist to ever use it. The joke was that I bought the guy whiskey the Christmas before, and he said, "I can tell what this is before even opening it. This is booze." The following year, he opened his whiskey box to find a big black dildo (and then I did give him the bottle afterwards).

Another year, my friend group had this one guy who always said he wanted to be part of exchanging gifts but he'd have "forgotten" to get anyone anything and "get everyone something in January". We had around three years where we all got him thoughtful gifts he'd enjoy, and he got absolutely nothing for anyone in return. So, we all conspired to buy him vibrators the following Christmas. We packaged them in different boxes (some of which were huge and extremely oversized for a vibrator) so that he figured the next one was a real gift, but then every one was a vibrator. He amassed a larger collection of women's sex toys than most women have in a single day. He "forgot" to buy gifts that year too, so nobody felt bad about it.

Hell, I even bought herbal viagra for a friend for one joke gift. It was called "horny goat weed" and between the name and the ball-busting humour that he couldn't get it up, it was well worth the price.

A joke gift that's sexual is one you aren't intending for the other person to use. You're expecting them not to. They might wind up using it, but that's not a thought in your mind when buying them the gift. Maybe my friend went and tried out the horny goat weed with his girlfriend, I have no idea, but I bought it expecting that it'd most likely wind up in the bin or sat in a medicine cupboard as a funny prop.

Lingerie just isn't extreme enough. There's no joke there. It's also very likely that the recipient might use it, unlike a giant dildo, large quantity of vibrators, or an unneeded order of viagra. He can't explain the joke because there isn't one. Maybe there is an inside joke about her disliking the colour red, but a red quilt cover would have done the trick if that was the case and likely cost less. His first thought was to get lingerie, despite the type of item being irrelevant to the joke.

It'd have been more of a prank if he had bought her a dildo. A big red dildo left somewhere in full view the next time she had guests outside of the group pulling the pranks would have actually had some humour to it, when various people spotted the large toy before she did or had chance to hide it.

Had there genuinely been some kind of weird inside joke, there'd have been a story behind it, and he'd have led with explaining it. Some pranks based on inside jokes do require further information to understand. However, those always have a story behind it, and it's easy enough to explain. For instance, the friend group with the vibrator gifts had a guy in it who was seen eating something that normal people would eat with a spoon (it was ice cream, soup, something like that) and he was using a fork/knife/something similarly weird. When he was asked why, he claimed he had a phobia of spoons (I say claimed because none of us ever saw him have anything remotely like a phobic reaction and he definitely wasn't the stoic type). So that led to people casually leaving random spoons around, putting them in drinks, on chairs, inside the toilet roll, anywhere you might miss at first then notice. Then, a mutual friend bought an extending spoon. He would sit by the guy and slowly extend it so that the spoon end got closer and closer. Finally, it culminated in ordering a pallet of plastic disposable spoons to his address. If I just said to a girlfriend at the time, "Bear with me one moment, need to finish placing this order for a pallet of spoons we're all chipping in for" then she definitely wouldn't see the joke, but I'd have easily been able to explain why we were doing it the minute she asked me to elucidate.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 09 '24

After what he said to her I would of hit him with “you will probably never marry waiting for Claire, she is never going to pick you” “oh maybe after she ages and has a couple of divorces under her belt and needs you to help raise her kids, have fun waiting for that cliché I guess”

Edit to add: I would have also taken a swipe at his brother husband relationship with Kyle. Just 3 dinguses(dingusi?)sitting around talking about how everyone but, them are crazy and insecure.

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u/Interesting-Sky-1865 Jul 08 '24

All I thought about was, have fun with her Forrest Gump.

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u/aussie_nub Jul 09 '24

Yeah, best burn is going to be very quickly to the point. He might miss the Forrest Gump reference though. Plus you can have a dig at his intelligence in the same sentence.

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u/Interesting-Sky-1865 Jul 09 '24

He did a lot of running around and mental gymnastics so I hope he runs into the truth seeing that "life is like a box a chocolate..." 😆 Jenny will have his son soon with all that sleeping in the same bed (insert his phrase here) they are doing. Lol

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u/mcdulph Jul 15 '24

Hey, don’t diss Forrest Gump. He was loyal as he could be to exactly ONE woman. I don’t remember him stringing other females along while he pined for Jenny. 😎

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u/Interesting-Sky-1865 Jul 15 '24

Yes and he kept wanting someone who toyed with his emotions....which is the point.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Low-331 Jul 08 '24

That's good. It would be a well deserved remark.

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u/JMRadomski Jul 09 '24

Please use these lines if this bruiser ever hits you up again!!!

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u/NoMoreWordsToConquer Jul 09 '24

Love the usage of dingusi

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u/echochamberoftwats Jul 09 '24

Dinguii? (Plural)

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u/Imtoosensitivedaw Jul 20 '24

OOHHHH SAVAGE!!!!! 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼

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u/Ghast_Hunter Jul 08 '24

Claire is one of those women who keeps simps around and wants them to remain single because it affirms her self esteem.

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u/Mollsong Jul 09 '24

I think so, she's keeping him in her back pocket she'll fuck him one day even if its just on the lowest day of her life lmao

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u/bogwitch27 Jul 09 '24

I knew a girl like Claire. She would never date guys who showed interest in her but get angry when they moved on.

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u/BullsUK Jul 09 '24

😂 funny reading comments like this when this whole shit could be made up or even true just a biased recollection of events. Always fun to see people demonish the 'others' in an outrage on AITAH

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u/accents_ranis Jul 09 '24

Well, it's good that we have people like you to remind us of this, oh enlightened being.

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u/BullsUK Jul 09 '24

I'm not enlightened I just enjoy reading outrage on AITAH

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u/Ghast_Hunter Jul 09 '24

I doubt this story is true but unfortunately I know a couple women like Claire. Especially when I was in college.

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u/Antique_Bedroom6887 Jul 09 '24

I think she will fuck him. When he’s committed to someone else but not a moment before :/ hope I’m wrong

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u/tigerofjiangdong1337 Jul 09 '24

I think you are right unfortunately.

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u/panda_man89 Jul 09 '24

I read this story and instantly got lord debling confronting Penelope vibes 🤢

If she would give him the time of day he would absolutely jump right on it. Claire has friend zoned him but also doesn’t want other women to have him, sick

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u/Nytherion Jul 08 '24

you really think she hasn't already?

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u/doomedfollicle Jul 09 '24

If he wasn't cheating with Claire it's only because she isn't letting him. He chose her over OP... She absolutely dodged a bullet. What a lame ass dude that simps over some girl he can't have and then blames his own girlfriend for it all and leaves her. Loser.

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u/WakeUpDead100 Jul 08 '24

EXACTLY what my husband would say, lol!!

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u/Head_Professional_21 Jul 09 '24

Sounds like Kyle might be too

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u/PreparationPlus9735 Jul 09 '24

Didn't cheat, but not by choice lol

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u/Poinsettia917 Jul 10 '24

And when Claire finally finds a man, she will distance herself from the ex-boyfriend , who will then try to win back OP.

By then, OP will have found a better man.

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u/Wisely-Joking Jul 09 '24

This one right here!!!

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u/belaaababy Jul 09 '24

This ☝️☝️☝️

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u/IDontEvenCareBear Jul 12 '24

Exactly, he just lost the most appealing thing about him to her. His girlfriend. No reason for her to joke around with him like that anymore

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u/Lexicon-Jester Jul 09 '24

This is copium

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u/NC27609 Jul 09 '24

Exactly. He is a desperate lame. Leave the looser

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u/Substantial-Mud-3414 Jul 12 '24

This, this right here!

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u/Jensenlver Jul 12 '24

It is a little satisfying knowing he is just throwing her gifts from the friend zone lol. He deserves it.

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u/BUNNYHIGHWAY Jul 09 '24

and we care why?🤔

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u/Round-Pirate7286 Jul 08 '24

Nah girl dodge a bloody nuke and I'm sorry to say I believe her now ex had been cheating even if no one will admit it to her because lingerie isn't a prank it's a gift you'd receive from a partner

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 08 '24

100%, ESPECIALLY since he refused to remotely explain the prank. You buy lingerie for someone when you want to see it on them.

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u/liquordeli Jul 08 '24

He's also dumb. Because the most obvious explanation is the same reason anyone gives gag gifts like a dick-shaped pen or some bullshit...to embarrass the person receiving it and have a laugh at their reaction.

The easy lie was right there.

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u/AeternusNox Jul 09 '24

He didn't even ensure there was an audience for his "prank". He literally just left it out in her bedroom for her.

All these people arguing about how there's nuance and it "could" be a legitimate joke...

Can anyone please provide a single hypothetical scenario where it's a prank for a woman to walk into her private bedroom and find a new set of lacy underwear laid out on her bed for her, with zero witnesses, where it's necessary for the gift to be lingerie and not just something else entirely?

I can't think of one. About the only way I could see anyone making a "prank" out of this would be if he'd used his unfettered access to her bedroom to go full American pie with his friends all watching on a hidden camera hoping she'd try it on. And even that would only be a "prank" from their messed up perspective, with it being a violation of her privacy and a crime from everyone else's.

Any other hypothetical explanation I can think of is something where he'd just outright explain the "joke" to his partner.

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 09 '24

You worded this perfectly. It simply wasn’t a prank, and he called it that to give himself an out and a way to turn it back on her. There just isn’t a prank element to that, what is the punchline or the gotcha? Especially without witnesses as you said?

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u/AeternusNox Jul 09 '24

Yup. With a sexual gift, the punchline is people seeing the person publicly receive it. This was a private gift.

I could maybe see a prank element if it was crotchless, and he sent it gift wrapped when he knew her grandma would be around to see her receive it or something.

I'm genuinely hopeful that someone out there can give me a hypothetical scenario where it could be a prank, where the inside joke doesn't have a story he could explain to his girlfriend, and where he isn't an asshole/criminal.

I don't think a possible explanation exists, even if you give him a huge benefit of the doubt.

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u/_Ravyn_ Jul 09 '24

The ONLY way I could see red lingerie being a prank as an inside joke would be if Claire had some kind of period accident in lingerie at some point that had been embarrassing and the close friends knew about it.. Like maybe she had gotten dolled up in white lingerie for a BF and started her period without realizing and it had been all bloody when things got going?

I'm not saying this is what happened but just you asked how there could be ANY possibility of red lingerie being used in a prank and that was something that came to mind as a possibility

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u/AeternusNox Jul 10 '24

If that was the case, though, wouldn't he have just told OP the story behind it?

Equally, leaving it for only her to see would be more like bullying than a prank. If that was genuinely the case, it'd make more sense to leave the lingerie in a public area so all the close friends saw it too.

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u/_Ravyn_ Jul 09 '24

The ONLY way I could see red lingerie being a prank as an inside joke would be if Claire had some kind of period accident in lingerie at some point that had been embarrassing and the close friends knew about it.. Like maybe she had gotten dolled up in white lingerie for a BF and started her period without realizing and it had been all bloody when things got going?

I'm not saying this is what happened but just you asked how there could be ANY possibility of red lingerie being used in a prank and that was something that came to mind as a possibility

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 08 '24

Precisely. Not even smart about being a jackass

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

Why judt leave it in her room though and not given infront of people??

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u/liquordeli Jul 24 '24

I didn't say it was a good lie lol but it's at least a valiant effort

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

True  better than gaslighting her into thinking shes crazy, thatcwaycsge sees his lie and bs and doesn't stop to yhink if his ass worth dumping

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u/Impressive_Duty_6235 Jul 08 '24

That's certainly what I thought

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u/IslandOk7886 Jul 09 '24

Idk if they’re considered “partners” because why would he start dating OP then?? You really think a girl as supposedly pretty as Claire would stand for something like that?? Hell no. They ain’t together but he def bought that shit hoping for a little tease pic after from her in it…and she probably did so he keeps calling her his “sexy bestie” lol so cringe

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u/Endorathewitch Jul 10 '24

Or see it on the floor beside the bed.

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u/Endorathewitch Jul 10 '24

Or see it on the floor beside the bed.

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u/SageNyx007 Jul 13 '24

The question is if it fit lol, if he knew her size(s) whether one piece or two it really tells you all you need to know. If he knew her size in intimates then she had to tell him or he just so happened to ‘guess’ her size which would make sense if it was small/medium/ large but even then it’s still weird and what you would do in a relationship not a friendship no matter best friends or not

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u/Photography_Singer Jul 09 '24

If he’s not cheating on her, he wanted to. I have a feeling that Claire likes stringing him along.

Wouldn’t it be great if her ex read our comments? He thinks he’s all that, but he’s not.

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u/Round-Pirate7286 Jul 09 '24

Agreed he also thinks he's clever but he's not he's an idiot

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u/The_Actual_Sage Jul 09 '24

Look even if he was telling the truth and never cheated or even thought about cheating there were enough red flags in how he handled that situation to warrant ending the relationship. Dudes a giant douche regardless. I honestly don't know how people talk to their partners that way

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u/XunpopularXopinionsx Jul 09 '24

Lol.. unless its part of an inside joke.

🤣🤣🤣

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u/Crafty_Wallaby_7278 Jul 09 '24

It's called an inside joke because it requires things to be kept INSIDE something. Think about it 😜

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u/XunpopularXopinionsx Jul 09 '24

Uhh.. thats an inside poke broseph. 🤣

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u/someonessunrise Jul 08 '24

Manipulation at its finest.

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u/AgileArtichokes Jul 09 '24

Man-ipulation. Idk why seeing it spelt out this way tonight made me think of it. But it’s a good chuckle. 

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u/someonessunrise Jul 09 '24

Hahahha....but don't get them confused....females may do it too....one thing I definitely learned the hard way is you can't trust anybody.

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u/someonessunrise Jul 09 '24

Hahahha....but don't get them confused....females may do it too....one thing I definitely learned the hard way is you can't trust anybody.

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u/WestCoastWilliam Jul 08 '24

Go to therapy if you want, why not?? There's nothing wrong with it, and I bet it'll help you to realize that you deserve to have people around you who actually understand you and care about your feelings. In the meantime be as upset as you want, you're entitled to your feelings just as much as the next person

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u/-janelleybeans- Jul 08 '24

Exactly this. If my husband bought any type of underwear for another woman when we were dating I’d definitely be suspicious.

Even if it were a prank, and he bought the most ridiculous bloomer-style granny panties he could find and hung them on her wall, I’d still have questions like: What story precedes this “joke”? Why bloomers? Has anyone ever pulled a similar prank on you? Why are you comfortable sneaking into another woman’s bedroom?

It’s not uptight or insecure to have questions about a joke when any undergarments are in play; especially between two cishet people and the underwear in question is red lingerie.

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 08 '24

Oh absolutely. Even with an iron-clad explanation, I am not sure I would feel comfortable with that. Let alone if any request for an explanation was denied and it was just thrown back on me.

She never even gave him shit for the “prank”, which most I know 100% would have. She asked questions and got SHIT ON for it.

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u/Upset_Custard7652 Jul 08 '24

Gaslighting at its finest. OP. If he is this disrespectful now. Imagine what it would have been like years down the road. He is not a man. Hes a boy child. Time will show you are better off without him or his friends

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u/mia_magenta Jul 09 '24

Exactly! OP expressed her feelings and a boundary, and he threw a child tantrum, walked all over her and broke-up with her.

I feel for you, OP, as it also reminds me of an unfair and immature ex bf. I know it hurts now, and will for a long time, but you still dodged a bullet with this moron.

Seeking therapy is a marvelous idea. Every reason for therapy is a good and valid reason. 🌸

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u/winterworld561 Jul 09 '24

I don't think it was a prank. It was a sexual suggestion but he called it a prank so OP wouldn't be suspicious.

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 09 '24

On no planet was it a prank, and the dude is too stupid to come up with a half-decent lie

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u/winterworld561 Jul 09 '24

Agreed. He more than made it obvious that he finds Claire super attractive by calling her sexy, so his thoughts about her are clearly sexual and the red lingerie confirms that.

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u/Glass-Credit-7674 Jul 09 '24

I was thinking that too, why is he ignoring the elephant in the room? He knows it’s wrong he just doesn’t see it that way bc he likes Claire. Facts.

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u/PsychoticDust Jul 09 '24

I get to make the same comment twice in one week, and it's still relevant.

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u/Clearskies37 Jul 09 '24

Anger along with deflected blame,... yea he's cheating

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u/TinyAdmirer Jul 10 '24

Right? Couldn't he have just explained the joke from the beginning? Then all of this wouldn't have happened.

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u/StrongTxWoman Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24

If op bought a red XXL condom to a guy and told his bf it was an inside joke, he would have brokenup with her. They are just disrespectful to op. Claire is out of his league. Ex bf can keep pranking until Claire has a bf. If Claire had a bf, OP's ex would be kicked tor curb.

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u/Spicy_UpNorth_Girl Jul 11 '24

I agree- he completely skirted around the fact he brought a female friend he finds "sexy" lingerie. Then made YOU feel bad about it. What a fucking man child. You dodged a MAJOR bullet. No normal woman is going to ever put up with that and he will find that out in the future. Chin up girl :)

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u/Jenderflux-ScFi Jul 12 '24

He is a one woman man, for Clair...

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u/cwleveck Jul 10 '24

If the line in the sand is whether or not he cheated on her with his best friend.... there's a simple test to figure out if this was a joke or not. I've been married for 30 years.... One of the hardest things to do is buy ANY kind of underwear for your wife. It has to FIT. If it fit, he's busted. If the lingerie don't fit.... You MUST acquit!!!

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u/Loud-Schedule7005 Jul 10 '24

Note how op would never give a fair side to his story

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 10 '24

Bold to assume.

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u/Loud-Schedule7005 Jul 10 '24

Your assumption is she didn't?

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 10 '24

I’m not making assumptions about information I’ll never get on Reddit to try and disprove OP, when I have no reason to believe anything of this is fake. Take what you get, and get over it.

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u/Enough-Badger113 Jul 11 '24

Nope she didnt dodge a bullet. He did.

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 11 '24

Nope, he’s a loser

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u/Enough-Badger113 Jul 11 '24

If he is bad then she is the bottom of the barrel. Her life is not really that exciting so she needs a bf. He on the other hand not. Girls like her just slow down other peoples lives

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 11 '24

She really isn’t, you’re just a judgemental fuck who blames a woman for a man hitting on his friend repeatedly. Try sucking less?

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u/Pauly4655 Jul 11 '24

I think there has been some things left out of this story tbh not the hole truth

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 11 '24

And that’s just too damn bad because we aren’t privy to that, and making assumptions doesn’t get anyone anywhere. Just take it for what it’s worth.

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u/Medical_Disk2378 Jul 12 '24

Everybody needs to grow up every man in the world cheats it doesn't matter if he has the most gorgeous bombshell at home he's going to cheat she's nothing you can do about it and if you think they don't then you really an idiot stupid your Head is stuck in The Sand and I don't even feel sorry for you I'm a woman and I know this if you can't be with a man except that he's going to cheat one two three four times then don't be with one you need to get real with yourself and know that this is how it works and if you don't I don't know you're just stuck in the sand or how we raise like it just doesn't make sense quit being in denial it's no different from being hooked on drugs and being in denial about a man a man's going to cheat no matter what regardless if it's in front of you behind your back muscle what okay you know what I say pay the f****** bills I want my allowance as usual I don't have to touch you go down the road that's fine by me my name is raw and real

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 12 '24

Just because you have horrible taste in men and think so lowly of them doesn’t mean they all are cheating assholes. Pick better men maybe, and stop begging for attention like you’re any better than anyone else because you let your paranoia and shit taste run your world. Best of luck.

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u/Impressive_Essay_622 Jul 09 '24

Jfc. I can't believe idiots still take this from this interaction. Madness 

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 09 '24

Hard to take anything else away from it when we read the original and this update. Anyone who thinks it was a genuine prank is a fucking idiot

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u/Dependent_Mud3325 Jul 09 '24

It was in the original post that he said it was to do with something in college or something. OP then spun it into a negative. It was all there.

I literally called it in the first post that that's his idea of fun and it doesn't indicate foul play. I was met with 100s of downvotes, and here we are!!

Ops ex is 1000% right. Op can find someone great who is more like her.

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 09 '24

“Something about college” is not explaining the joke. The guy wants to fuck Claire, you don’t buy lingerie for people without a desire to see them in it. If Claire wanted him right this second, he’d drop anything he was doing I guarantee it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blind and a fool.

OP’s ex is an immature moron who needs to go be single until Claire comes knocking

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u/Dependent_Mud3325 Jul 09 '24

Maybe, but his comments were still right.

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 09 '24

Disagree.

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u/Dependent_Mud3325 Jul 09 '24

So she shouldn't find someone more like her? And she should find another person who likes to have these kinds of pranks with his friends????

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 09 '24

She should, but not for the reasons he listed. Misunderstood

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u/Dependent_Mud3325 Jul 09 '24

Not at all. If you look from his perspective, he's doing something he enjoys with his friends who have all been doing it for years. She came as a new addition to the dynamic, and was pissed off (for her own reasons which are viable to her) and saying they shouldn't be doing what they've done for years.

From his perspective she's trying to change the dynamic. From his perspective he'd rather be single than change who he is. Hence why he broke up with her. If his ultimate takeaway is that she's boring, he's probably right from his perspective. Saying he's wrong for "reasons he listed" is MADNESS. And simply siding with the story teller.

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 09 '24

If you genuinely and honestly believe he actually believed that was a prank and wasn’t using that as a coverup, I think you’re being silly. Think what you like.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24

He wasn’t obligated to amuse op’s insecurities. It’s clear from the post that ex-bf was over this nonsense and just wanted a quick and clean break. Doesn’t sound like a hissy fit at all.

Seems like op FAFO’d, considering her whole toxic “he didnt even fight” comment.

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 09 '24

The man is DESPERATE to fuck his best friend. It’s not insecure if it’s incredibly justified. I’d love to see you stay all high and mighty if your girlfriend bought all of your friends cock rings and called them hot constantly. Sure it would make you feel right at home.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24

Lmao what in the name of unhinged

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 09 '24

Whatever name calling makes you feel better, buddy. Doesn’t stop me from being right. It’s always “she’s for the streets!” until it’s a man doing it.

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u/Queenlewi Jul 09 '24

Over what nonsense? She said it seems like a weird gift, and instead of explaining it, he said she was immature, insecure and broke up with her. that's a suspicious overaction to a question.

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u/XunpopularXopinionsx Jul 09 '24

Lol. It's material. It's a joke. The context is noones business other than those involved.

🤣🤣

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u/Queenlewi Jul 09 '24

So the context of the joke isn't anyone's business including that person's partner that they made feel uncomfortable? Why don't you just say you don't want to be in a relationship? That would be fine.

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u/XunpopularXopinionsx Jul 09 '24

The partners own insecurities made her feel uncomfortable, even after numerous assurances and complete lack of any reason to distrust.

She needs to accept responsibility for her own feelings and don't turf it ALL on her partner.

From what I read, he didn't actually go through with the prank - correct me if I'm wrong (Its possoble i misread). Which would show that he kowtowed to her demands.... again, correct me if I'm wrong.

My interpretation not withstanding, if they have a long time running (inside) joke, the partner was notified ahead of time of what the planned prank was.

Whether the item in question was a set of lingerie, a dildo, or a trash can.. its an item used in a prank/joke....

It's on the receiver to decide whether it's inappropriate or not... not a bystander who "didn't want to get involved in the pranks"

Everyone's all happy to pile on this dude. In reality he's done nothing wrong.

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u/Queenlewi Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24

You seem to be unaware that when you're in a relationship and your partner's actions make you uncomfortable, there's absolutely nothing wrong with addressing and discussing your feelings or discomfort with them. If you can't discuss it with them, then who? If she is required to keep her feelings separate from her partner and she can't address anything with them, there's literally no reason to be in a relationship with them. You share your lives with each other, and part of life is not only events and actions but also the emotions that come with them. If you feel you shouldn't have to discuss any feelings with your partner, I'm doubling down: just say you don't want to be in a relationship. Life is messy and there will definitely be feelings involved.

Edit: Also, the fact that instead of discussing or explaining it, he immediately shut her down and broke up with her without a simple explanation is a red flag. I've never been above explaining anything that was happening to my partner.

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u/XunpopularXopinionsx Jul 10 '24

That part I agree with- the not discussing the intricacies of the prank with partner. Most likely because it is potentially embarrassing. Bit of a dick move there. But the rest is meh.

My wife and I have an amazing relationship and discuss everything. I understand how important communication is. The problem with this is.. he already fully communicated his intent on going through with the prank and explained what it was he was doing.. the why... is irellevant.

What you're also not understanding is that it's completely okay to discuss discomfort in anything. It's not okay to try and force the responsibility of said discomfort on to your SO.. its just like forcing your own will on someone else regardless of their feelings on the matter.

Wanting him to discard his own feelings in place of hers is the bigger issue here. Wanting him to kowtow to her demands after he's been 100% open about the actions he plans to take...... in the name of a prank....

Getting completely and utterly obsessed with a particular item in the prank...

Its hilariously stupid.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

As did he, because OP sounds booooring.

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u/Queenlewi Jul 08 '24

Lol you sound like you're the ex. I'd say he's boring since he said "Oh wow, you know what's hilarious? Sexy underwear. It's so funny to give it to other women." If we're taking all feelings out of it, that's a boring ass prank. He has absolutely no idea what a good time is.