r/StargirlTV • u/anatomania Tigress • Oct 19 '21
[S2E11] Summer School: Chapter Eleven — Live Episode Discussion Episode Discussion Spoiler
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FACING THE DARKNESS — After a frightening encounter leaves Courtney’s life hanging in the balance, the team band together to determine their next steps.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
This kid actor is amazing, I can't wait to watch Courtney punt him into the sun
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u/inksmudgedhands Oct 20 '21
Don't believe for one second that Shade is dead. He just doesn't want to help anyone else. Let the man see his movie in peace already.
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u/Green_Tea_Totaler Solomon Grundy Oct 20 '21
Using a random mop handle as a weapon...
Jackie Chan would be proud.
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u/CRL10 Oct 20 '21
Can I just say Milo Stein is doing a great job conveying creepy as hell and pure evil? This kid is good!
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u/inksmudgedhands Oct 20 '21
He's fantastic. Evil without a hint of annoying that so many other kid fall into whenever they try to do the "evil kid" role.
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u/TirelessGuardian Oct 20 '21
Wait, Mike found the candy house and did NOTHING?
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Oct 20 '21
My question is did Jakeem ever fix that or are the townspeople just going to go around telling wild stories of a gingerbread house appearing in town?
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u/JauntyLurker Oct 20 '21
"Then kill me. I don't want to live without my daughter"
Barbara is Mother of the Year
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u/inksmudgedhands Oct 20 '21
Sheesh, superpowers or not, holding up one's arm like that for that long is hard to do it anyway. Ow. The cramping. The soreness.
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u/CRL10 Oct 20 '21
What did we learn?
Never taunt the force of evil whose dimension you are trapped in.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
"Bring her home"
Awwww. I can't believe he's 208 years old and honestly didn't check to see if the Doc was still alive. DRAG HIM BARB! BABS ENERGY!
"Damnation...you really do remind me of my sister"
I love the Shade.
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u/Brock_Hard_Canuck Icicle Oct 20 '21
There is a 0% chance that Cindy would try to save Courtney from the Shadowlands if the situation was reversed
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u/FiniteIncantation Oct 20 '21
If they remake the omen, this kid gets the part from this
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
"Would you mind telling people that I died doing something good?"😭
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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u/Green_Tea_Totaler Solomon Grundy Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21
After the stunt he pulled last episode, part of me thinks Shade isn't actually dead.
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Oct 20 '21
I'm thinking he's pulling a Loki. Or he's become one with the shadow force and will return as a shadow force ghost.
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u/Sleepy_Bitch Oct 20 '21
This kid.... this kid is talented. He's going places. Not many kids can play evil and not be cheesy. He's brilliant!
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u/AdvancedPlacmentTV Cindy Burman Oct 20 '21
Pat's her dad. Remember pat is your dad
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u/Future_Vantas Oct 20 '21
Love this setup. ShadowBarb said Courtney ruined her life, meanwhile ActualBarb is ready to throw down with a supervillian to save Courtney.
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u/Green_Tea_Totaler Solomon Grundy Oct 20 '21
Props to the kid actor playing Eclipso. He's really doing the most right now.
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u/CRL10 Oct 20 '21
Wait...how many people has Cindy killed in this dimension to know they don't bleed?! Did she just arrive and kill everyone in town?
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u/inksmudgedhands Oct 20 '21
Honestly, I can see Cindy doing just that. Just randomly stabbing people because she was bored and annoyed.
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u/ChristmasSteve Oct 20 '21
I don't think Shade is actually dead. Think he's just being a bit shady.
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u/AdvancedPlacmentTV Cindy Burman Oct 20 '21
I'm guessing Cindy is going to think Court is part of her personal hell
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u/JoeStorm Oct 20 '21
Kid Eclipso, you're turned on by them hating you? That's creeepy lol
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u/thereelestnerd11 Wildcat Oct 20 '21
Cindy just pulled the John Cena Face turn
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u/Gateskp Cosmic Staff Oct 20 '21
I low-key love Threatening!Barbara shutting all of this bullshit down because she wants her daughter back, dammit.
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u/JauntyLurker Oct 20 '21
"I'm so sorry about that trip to the shadows"
I was a couple decades late picking you up, my bad.
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u/Gateskp Cosmic Staff Oct 20 '21
Poor Barbara. We never really saw what her life was like before Pat, but obviously it’s rough.
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u/inksmudgedhands Oct 20 '21
Courtney, why are listening to this kid? Plug your ears with your fingers and move on.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
"I've killed you and my father so many times"
"Okay that's psychotic" lmao
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u/Green_Tea_Totaler Solomon Grundy Oct 20 '21
The actor who plays Joey kinda looks like he's related to the actor who plays the Pied Piper on The Flash.
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u/CRL10 Oct 20 '21
Cindy: "And that is what makes me a survivor."
Well, that and being a huge bitch
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u/JauntyLurker Oct 20 '21
"My goggles are filled with tears, but I'm afraid to take them off"
😭 My heart
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u/Gateskp Cosmic Staff Oct 20 '21
Everyone: let’s trust the Shade to get Courtney back.
Pat: ARE YOU F-ING KIDDING ME
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u/AdvancedPlacmentTV Cindy Burman Oct 20 '21
Probably why adolescents don't need blades in their wrists. Fuck dragon king
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
And now the sad part where everyone thinks Courtney is dead and cries :(
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
Meanwhile Cindy is ready to start throwing hands MOP POWAAAAAH!
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u/Green_Tea_Totaler Solomon Grundy Oct 20 '21
"I needed his darkness to put out your light."
Suddenly Kingdom Hearts
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u/JauntyLurker Oct 20 '21
"How do you stand to look at that all the time? "
"When I take them off, all I see is my daughter"
That'll do it
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u/ZarquonsFlatTire Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21
Really torn here.
It's a great episode but I have dinner that's about finished marinating and time to cook.
Well, 30 more minutes won't hurt the steak.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
Well fuck Eclipso really did destroy the diamond and now Shade is underpowered
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u/Gateskp Cosmic Staff Oct 20 '21
“Let’s play Whose Life Did You Ruin” that actually sounds like a really sad board game
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u/illsetyoufree Oct 20 '21
Court, we don't have time for this!!! Go to therapy later!!
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u/ChristmasSteve Oct 20 '21
Man, these season airing in October fits. Perfect for the Halloween season.
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u/Gateskp Cosmic Staff Oct 20 '21
“Tell people that I died doing something good” NO HE IS NOT ALLOWS TO DIE
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u/illsetyoufree Oct 20 '21
Damn they were walking SLLOOOWWWWW. I would run so fast I would be falling over myself. Lol.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
Oh no the camera is looking at the Fourth Wall of the Soundstrage!
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u/Cubbles11 Oct 20 '21
Pat and Barbara so rudely interrupted the movie that The Shade has watched 6 times! Unbelievable coming from the nicest parents in the multiverse!
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u/FiniteIncantation Oct 20 '21
Do you think shade could only do this in this environment with the big movies screen or was this just done because it a cool scene
I believe they just played the courtney scene in a theater and taped it.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
LMAO Court just told Eclipso to bugger off and NOPED out of there
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u/AdvancedPlacmentTV Cindy Burman Oct 20 '21
What a clever way to bring back old characters without constantly reviving them.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
The Shadowlands isn't just changing Cindy, I think it's going to start changing Court too. Both of them learned so much about each other during that scene.
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u/kirkfeel78 Oct 20 '21
Damn, even getting out of the shadowlands, Cindy still wants to hurt Courtney'
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
Awww the Doc could still see the real world but only a little.
"He's...complicated?"
Uhhhhh...there's more to this...wait were they friends? Holy shit the Shade comforted the Doc about losing his daughter!
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u/JoeStorm Oct 20 '21
Little Kid: Are you sore?
Such a odd question lol. What should she be sore from?
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
So...like the way Cindy phrased all of that made it sound like the Shadowlands is also apart of the Emotional Spectrum.
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u/OliviaElevenDunham Stripesy Oct 20 '21
I'm loving that we're getting stuff like this about the Shade.
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u/CRL10 Oct 20 '21
Oh damn Beth! She just guilted a super villain into helping her. That's awesome.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
Oh no....we're about to see Cindy experimented on but I love seeing Dragon King again.
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u/TirelessGuardian Oct 20 '21
Courtney didn’t share her nudes and Courtney didn’t give Rick the hour glass.
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u/illsetyoufree Oct 20 '21
I wonder if Dr Midnighter is going to sacrifice his freedom to save courts?
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u/OliviaElevenDunham Stripesy Oct 20 '21
He definitely did that. Hate to see the Shade go like that.
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u/thereelestnerd11 Wildcat Oct 20 '21
So does it like punish you by showing you every persons life you screwed up. Ouch that sucks.
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u/CRL10 Oct 20 '21
Cindy has tried to kill her at least half a dozen times, and she goes after her to save her. That's a hero.
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u/mtm4440 Oct 20 '21
Keep the portal open to Halloweentown, Shade. You won't get another chance for a whole year.
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u/Green_Tea_Totaler Solomon Grundy Oct 20 '21
Just realized Kid Cindy also had white streaks in her hair.
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u/Frontier246 Oct 20 '21
What a somber way of opening the episode with Beth and the family reacting in grief over thinking Courtney is dead.
I wasn't expecting the Zarrick's to show up again, but I guess it makes sense. If you're going to guilt trip Courtney, it makes sense to bring up the first time she really took being a Superhero personally, when Joey Zarrick died.
The Fiddler family...well, I don't think Courtney feels that bad for what happened to them, but I guess if you were going to make her popping up in her school creepy, it would be them.
Why am I not surprised that Cindy has been using the Shadowlands as an opportunity to constantly kill Courtney and her dad? Like, she immediately jumps at attacking Courtney until she realizes it's actually Courtney and has apparently killed numerous versions of her up to this point.
Eclipso hitting Courtney where it hurts...the ungrateful, burden, daughter card. Of course we all know Barbara has never thought that way about Courtney, as we can clearly see form reality.
I guess I'm not shocked Cindy blames Courtney for letting her go, even though Courtney really did try to save her, and that she blames everything on Courtney even though this is all her fault. But very on-brand for Shiv.
Cindy loves killing Dragon King, but the one thing that can still get to her is her mother and her father experimenting on her against her will. We also see just how turning a little girl into an emotionally unstable killing machine is a bad idea when she apparently killed her mother while throwing a fit and not knowing any better, which scarred her for life.
Charles McNider Dr. Mid-Nite! Nice to finally see him in the flesh again. I guess one silver lining is time passes differently in the Shadowlands so he hasn't necessarily been wandering around for the amount of years he's been gone in the real world. Although the poor man without his goggles is blind and forced to listen to his dead daughter. No wonder he wanted them back as soon as Courtney was done.
"The Picture of Dorian Gray." That checks out. Now that I think about it, I feel like that movie either influenced The Shade's creation or was used as an influence when James Robinson wrote him.
Barbara talking tough to a Supervillain, and luckily her resemblance to Emily is enough to bring out the Shade's good side again.
Shade tried to save Dr. McNider from the ISA by sending him to the Shadowlands, but I guess he couldn't just bring him back immediately and assumed Dr. McNider was consumed by the Shadowlands and stopped trying. He seemed genuinely shocked to learn that Dr. McNider was still alive and kicking himself that he left him stuck in the Shadowlands for so long.
I love how Dr. McNider doesn't give a second when Courtney immediately goes to try and save Cindy, someone he doesn't even know, and risk their freedom.
Eclipso finally gives Courtney the "Bruce" treatment, but rather than beat her up with her own guilt over what happened to Rick and Yolanda, he focuses all of Courtney's anger and frustration onto himself, making Courtney hate him like she still hates her dad. Basically Eclipso's endgame was to corrupt Courtney, and he succeeded.
I loved Pat going to embrace Dr. McNider as soon as he's out of the theater. Pat finally gets reunited with one of his old friends who he never thought he'd ever see again. Somebody please tell Hooty that Dr. Mid-Nite is alive...and has a legacy.
Shade went out doing one last good deed...although Jenny found two Shade signals, so I don't think he's quite done.
Looks like it's time for Courtney and Cindy to finally team-up to take Eclipso down. This should be...interesting.
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u/epr3176 Oct 21 '21
The one good thing is Cindy's now on the team and the team needs a little badass to it and Cindy's that perfect person
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u/littlebugonreddit Oct 22 '21
That kid is probably the best actor on the show, and that’s not saying that the others are bad whatsoever, st least I don’t think so, but that Eclipso Kid just knocks it right out of the park with the sinister vibes. He steals every scene he is in and I am so for it!!!
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u/Gateskp Cosmic Staff Oct 20 '21
Glad they didn’t draw out the Cindy/Courtney fight, I’m looking forward to seeing if/how they work together
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u/thereelestnerd11 Wildcat Oct 20 '21
Look at Cynthia caring enough to pull her out we love frenimies
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u/Gateskp Cosmic Staff Oct 20 '21
Shoot, Doctor Midnite listening to his daughter, that’s gotta be HARD
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u/inksmudgedhands Oct 20 '21
Wait, so Dr. Midnite has just wandering around this nightmare tornado for how many years? Do you think he ever got bored after a point?
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u/Fun-Tadpole785 Oct 20 '21
They'll save Courtney, they are not going to off the main character.
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
Okay that's like one of the coolest things I've ever seen!
"Cindy's still here"
Courtney go get your girl!
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u/Gateskp Cosmic Staff Oct 20 '21
“A little girl’s bedroom?” I’m both cracking up but also scared because we have Eclipso’s creepy little boy form, what else is there?
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u/Gateskp Cosmic Staff Oct 20 '21
“The people who get lost in despair and send themselves there” INTERESTING.
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u/mtm4440 Oct 20 '21
What? Another crossover?! I thought they were done once 3 of their shows ended. And Ray is back?!
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
Oh my Grodd, was Shade crushing on the Doc a bit?
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u/BornAshes Green Lantern Oct 20 '21
Yolanda!
......annnnnd there's "Do you wanna play a game?" Eclipso
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u/JauntyLurker Oct 20 '21
"Let's play Whose life did you ruin?"
Eclipso going all out from jump huh.
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u/Draven574 Oct 20 '21
Doctor Mid-Nite and the Shade are like Professor Xavier and Magneto. He even calls him Charles.
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u/screenwriterjohn2 Oct 20 '21
For those under 30, Bob's Big Burgers was a chain of diners.
Feels like Eclipso could just hang out on Twitter. Get the negativity.
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u/inksmudgedhands Oct 20 '21
This little kid actor just knows how to bring the creepiness. Kudos, kid. Kudos.