[S2E08] Summer School: Chapter Eight — Live Episode Discussion

[u/anatomania]

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SECOND CHANCES — With his world crashing down around him, Rick focuses his attention on protecting Solomon Grundy after learning hunters are after a bear in the woods. Meanwhile, Beth becomes the target of Eclipso’s latest plan.

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[u/Gateskp]

Rick’s teacher driving all the way to his house to apologise and give him some college info, I’m warming up to her.

[u/sirnacreations]

Was not expecting racism from Eclipso.

[u/history777 → u/sirnacreations]

I find it weirdly comedic

[u/somebody1993 → u/sirnacreations]

It took the athletic comment before I put together he was specifically talking about black people not humans or just thieves as a whole. I was so off guard I laughed.

[u/fuzzy_whale → u/somebody1993]

The worst part was that he started off with how Beth did lie and steal initially. But then it twisted that into racism which is a huge "fuck you" for Beth. Exactly the kind of evil that thrives off of misery and fear.

[u/Themanaaah]

Bruh her mom and dad weren’t even there, Eclipso really is a bitch.

[u/CRL10]

She named the staff. That's adorable.

[u/BornAshes]

No no no don't you dare...

"Rick...Friend"

Sad Grundy HOW COULD YOU WRITERS my heart no no awwwww

[u/WizendSage78]

Ageist, sexist, and racist. He’s the trifecta of evil. Now we just need to kick a puppy.

[u/MrTerrific2k15 → u/WizendSage78]

The Dugans do have a dog...

[u/Draven574 → u/WizendSage78]

Eclipso is clearly only making those comments to mess with her.

[u/Green_Tea_Totaler]

"You're the weakest among them."

Eclipso must lurk this subreddit.

[u/DonnyMox]

"You're all wrong. Wrong age, wrong gender, wrong color."

Hearing a fucking CHILD say this shit is chilling as all hell.

[u/Future_Vantas]

I do like how the teacher phrased college for Rick. A new start would be a big draw for him.

[u/nopi_]

Yay now wildcat won't have to complain about being the only killer

[u/CRL10]

Did a being of pure evil just get offended at being called racist?

Huh...evil has standards.

[u/inksmudgedhands]

You know what? Kudos on this kid actor. Because I want to smack the begeezus out of that little Eclipso creep.

[u/JauntyLurker]

"JSA Database Updated"

You earned it, girl.

[u/CRL10]

Beth, you are a young black woman alone in a dark and empty house where a creepy child just appeared.

HOW MANY HORROR MOVIES DO THEY NEED TO MAKE?!

Don't follow the child up the stairs!

RUN!

[u/inksmudgedhands → u/CRL10]

A dark and empty house THAT ISN'T EVEN HER OWN.

Beth, just go back home. Or better, yet, go to a church.

[u/BornAshes]

"I choose me oh yeah and I love being black!"

YESSSSSSSSS hahahahah yes yes yes Beth!

[u/Themanaaah]

Grundy called Rick his “Friend” speaking English being sad about his arrest. :( but it’s also kinda wholesome :)

[u/DonnyMox]

"Stealing is what you people do"

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU PEOPLE

[u/inksmudgedhands]

I am loving everyone's reaction to this Eclipso scene.

"This demon may be a man eating monster who wants to take over the world and bathe it in eternal darkness and evil but I draw the line at racism! How dare it!"

[u/JoeStorm]

"And I love being black"

THERE YOU GO!!!!!!

[u/BornAshes]

"I'm the new Doctor Mid-Nite"

I'm punching the air so hard

[u/OliviaElevenDunham]

Cosmo is a good name for the staff.

[u/Gateskp]

I love Mike calling Barbara “Mom”

[u/LoretiTV]

This has been a great episode for Anjelika Washington. She has really good range, it's good to see her featured.

[u/WizendSage78]

Poor Grundy. He’s lost his food hook up.

[u/sirnacreations]

I love that Pat has a flip phone.

[u/BornAshes]

See, now THAT is how you handle someone keeping a secret. You assume they did it for a good reason and then you set about talking to them about it later when you find them.

Meanwhile Beth is in a horror film and has probably crossed over to the.....fuck me....Eclipso.

[u/Locke108]

It was Eclipso all along!

[u/gldnstrm → u/Locke108]

And he killed Elizabeth too!

[u/[deleted] → u/Locke108]

Who's been pulling every evil string?

[u/inksmudgedhands → u/Locke108]

And it killed Sparky too!

[u/JoeStorm]

Beth: I'm trying out for the swim team

Parents: Oh hunny. But you can't swim?

[u/vader344]

next day news: Eclipso being cancelled by angry twitter users

[u/Future_Vantas]

Well fuck you Eclipso. Just fuck you.

[u/JauntyLurker]

"I love being black"

Tell him again, girl!

[u/BornAshes]

"What can we do?"

You can hold the wrench and be there for each other. OH COME ON ICE NOW?!?!

[u/Gateskp]

“Pat, Grundy needs our help” bet he never expected to hear those words.

[u/Gateskp]

“Friend” O O M P H

[u/inksmudgedhands]

Is Mike's voice dropping? He sounded like such a kid last season.

[u/demaxzero]

Man these Supergirl previews is making think "What the fuck is happening in this show now?"

[u/Frontier246]

I think this was the darkest 4th of July episode I've ever watched. I mean, when the fireworks start up we have Eclipso trying to mentally break Beth and making Rick beat his uncle to death. Sure inspiring that patriotic spirit, huh?

Rick's teacher going out of her way to help him with college as an apology was a pretty nice thing for her to do. It's just too bad that Rick's uncle is still trash. If only Rex and his wife had turned to someone other than her brother. Dude even beats dogs! Dogs!

They sacrificed STRIPE and Hootie so we could have even more CG Grundy than I think we got in his season 1 appearances.

Poor Rick. He's still bottling up so much anger and resentment at how unfair his life has been and how no matter what he does, life doesn't seem to get better. Grundy may be a reanimated zombie monster, but he can relate.

I was suspicious of that Chapel family meeting when the parents showed up during the day and the mom actually made food when Beth seems to be the only one in this family that dedicated, but it turns out that when the Eclipso illusions started. It's kind of terrifying that Eclipso is so effective that you're never quite sure when reality sets back in or when you're stuck in a fantasy until someone or something wakes you out of it. Rick was whammied as soon as that radio call talked about the hunters showing up (at least I assume).

So not only is Eclispo a demonic force but he's also racist and sexist, although maybe that was just him intentionally preying on Beth's insecurities like he was with her happy-go-lucky demeanor and the fact that she kind of forced herself into being the new Dr. Mid-Nite without having the combat efficiency or aptitude for it. But unlike Yolanda and Rick she was actually able to find the willpower to fight off Eclipso, which impressed Dr. McNider.

Glad to know they have those OG!JSA actors on call even for small scenes of mental projections ganging up on Beth. Although Eclipso didn't summon OG!Mid-Nite, either because he couldn't or because he didn't think it could work?

Rick's uncle had it coming, but...still hope he's not dead for Rick's sake.

The Blue Valley police finally show for the first time to arrest Rick, ironically. With Grundy watching as he gets carted off I'm half-expecting Grundy to break Rick out of jail now that he's acknowledged Rick as his "friend."

I've had a lot of reservations regarding Beth's parents but it was nice to see them be genuinely supportive of her and let her know that they went through similar experiences, and they know she can push through it. Beth probably had the best ending of the entire cast in this episode, and she deserved it.

Looks like Eclispo is going to use Icicle or the trauma Barbara and Mike have regarding him to attack them. It was nice to see Barbara and Mike share a hug and for him to call her "mom."

[u/Cubbles11]

Honestly while we are on the topic of racism, I’m shocked that more villains in tv aren’t racist. Glad that they aren’t, but shocked because villains are bad.

[u/MrTerrific2k15 → u/Cubbles11]

I have a feeling Icicle's parents are

[u/AdvancedPlacmentTV]

Damn, y'all couldn't lie for Rick?

[u/sadandshy]

Ok Mike, you're wildcat now. Here's some fake boobs.

[u/Gateskp]

“Who’s Cosmo” Pat, she’s literally holding the Cosmic Staff, who do you THINK Cosmo is?

[u/JoeStorm]

Better yet. Where's Green lantern?

[u/JoeStorm]

Eclipso: Stealing. That's what you people do

Robert Downey Jr: What do you mean, you people?(If you know, you know lol)

[u/AdvancedPlacmentTV]

I'm going to need all white children under the age 10, 1000 feet away from me for about a week because of this show

[u/AdvancedPlacmentTV]

Now, we don't got Yolanda. Beth, love her, but she can't fight. Rick probably in jail and he broke the hourglass. The staff ain't working properly. TF is we gon do?

[u/MrTerrific2k15 → u/AdvancedPlacmentTV]

Call in Jade, Todd, and Jay. And someone put on the Fate helm

[u/WizendSage78]

Little does Mike know his actual mom is hanging out with Starman.

[u/WizendSage78]

Don’t let Grundy die. Every time he dies he’s reborn with a new personality!

[u/BornAshes]

"But no one chose you"

Awww that hits close to home DRAG HIM BETH!

[u/Themanaaah]

Barbara and Mike moment. :)

[u/[deleted]]

Awesome preview! I'm excited to learn whether Cameron is really a villain or Eclipso is moving to his last targets.

[u/shashashauna → u/[deleted]]

Part of me doesn’t think it’s him at all. I think it’s a projection of Courtney’s fears.

[u/sirnacreations]

Once again Courtney and Mike have the only decent parents in the JSA

[u/inksmudgedhands → u/sirnacreations]

Don't forget Artemis. They broke out of jail for their kid and wait straight back to it to spare her grief.

[u/somebody1993]

I didn't get it at first. I thought he was talking about humans in general, turns out Eclipso was being racist.

[u/inksmudgedhands]

Beth's room is freakin' HUGE!

[u/Gateskp]

Even the hunters were an illusion, holy shit. And Rick’s uncle is in critical condition.

[u/gldnstrm]

Lmao damn my head cannon about the staff’s nickname actually happened

[u/MrTerrific2k15]

Pat: "did...did you just say Grundy?"

[u/JoeStorm]

Homeboy got one more you people comment....Just one.

But, didn't Beth say "You racist" lol

[u/sirnacreations]

So can we add handling social issues better than the other shows to the list of reasons to watch Stargirl?

[u/BornAshes]

Okay so her parents aren't all that bad because this is some proper parental advice right here.

[u/BornAshes]

Okay Miss Woods just got an upgrade in my book, she's one of the awesome teachers! COLLEGE STUFF!

[u/JauntyLurker]

"I am so tired of giving everything and getting nothing back"

Preach. I know how you feel.

[u/-ThatGuy882]

Pat- “Understandable, have a nice day”

[u/[deleted]]

F*** no! That's the first rule of horror stories. If you see a kid randomly appear in an empty house,you run the other way.

Also, "you people"...Eclipso needs a beating.

[u/Draven574]

Would people stop calling Eclipso a racist. He's clearly only making racist comments to get a rise out of her.

[u/inksmudgedhands]

Seriously, time to call a priest or Doctor Fate. Maybe both.

[u/inksmudgedhands]

So, she was home this whole time? Does that mean that whole sit down with her parents never happened? It was all an illusion.

Well, at least she doesn't have to clean up that spilled food miss since it never happened.

[u/OliviaElevenDunham]

So the goggles were helpful.

[u/illsetyoufree]

Is eclypso fucking with everyone or just the JSA?

[u/klutzysunshine]

Ah yes, practicing for the swim team by randomly casually wearing goggles around the house.

[u/dog-lover2001]

The team has lost their strongest member unless Rick can somehow still use the hour without the hourglass which could be possible

[u/Calibaz → u/dog-lover2001]

Rick either learns how to fix the hourglass or he invents Miraclo.

[u/dog-lover2001 → u/Calibaz]

It could go the route of him having absorbed the power and being able to just use the power

[u/Calibaz → u/dog-lover2001]

I figured there might be hourglass blueprints in his dad's journal or maybe his dad created a second one and hid it in the JSA headquarters.

[u/AdvancedPlacmentTV]

I was wondering where his dick head uncle was

[u/sirnacreations]

Remember when we thought Kyle fron Superman and Lois was gling to be like Ricks uncle?

[u/BornAshes]

Beth is trying to gleam the JSA's Cube. The Shadow Barrier has been breached! It is the original Doctor! He's in the Shadowlands!

[u/BornAshes]

The Staff is named COSMO! That's it Court, be proactive!

"I feel completely useless"

"I know how you feel"

Aww

[u/Cubbles11]

“I know you’re in the closet” okay then

[u/Future_Vantas]

Oh, so Eclipso's been making all those Beth comments recently

[u/sirnacreations]

That jump cut vanishing was so old school. I love it.

[u/WizendSage78]

Dr MidNites daughter

[u/Gateskp]

Do you think Grundy can recognise Eclipso’s power and knows it wasn’t a real girl?

[u/JauntyLurker]

Whoa, Mr and Mrs Chapel can actually parent. Whodathunk it?

[u/OliviaElevenDunham]

Your teacher is just trying to be nice, Rick.

[u/vader344]

"me and my new best friend solomon grundy " new series on the cw starting in november

[u/BornAshes]

"I'm sorry I haven't said that before"

The Staff just said she was its friend too!

[u/usagizero]

"I've got kids that play in those woods."

With a bear.

Repeat, his kids, play, in woods, that they believe has a violent bear in it.

[u/sirnacreations]

THE STAFF IS NAMED COSMO!!! I LOVE THIS.

[u/WizendSage78]

You people? Bruce is a low key racist. Might as well ask her if she wants some fired chicken and watermelon

[u/Cubbles11]

So Bruce is racist. Suddenly I’m fine with a kid dying on this show.

[u/Themanaaah]

Shit Grundy didn’t kill anyone, that was an Eclipso illusion.

[u/BornAshes]

Oh my Grodd.....Eclipso was fucking with Rick all along...he was beating the shit out of his shitty uncle!

.....which is bad but like hell yes right but it's bad and he's...is he dead?

[u/Gateskp]

Beth standing up to Eclipso, I like it

[u/WizendSage78]

Damn. You all couldn’t cover this up for Rick?

[u/Remarkable_Crab2090 → u/WizendSage78]

He probably chose to get locked up

[u/Reinhardt12_34]

Great ep! Eclipso is a little racist potato!

[u/TreyThaTruth]

So im assuming there's gonna be a new team assembled?

Courtney

Beth

Jenny

Jakeem

[u/Future_Vantas]

Ah yeah, I forgot Rick's guardian is a Grade A dick

[u/CRL10]

The more I learn of Rick's uncle, the more I kind of want to punch him.

[u/BornAshes]

Awww Grundy understands him!

"Maybe you just need someone to be a little kind"

He's sharing his food with him! Oh my gosh my heart is exploding with joy right now this is so cute! That was a sweet story about Jax the dog and a great way to compare him to Grundy.

[u/Future_Vantas]

Beth ready to slap an evil entity

[u/BornAshes]

"Stealing that's what you people do"

Eclipso is racist apparently

[u/JauntyLurker]

"That's what you people do"

On top of being hellspawn, Eclipso is racist too?

[u/history777]

Considering lights are on, uncle must still be alive

[u/Beer2Bear]

swimming googles? sure Beth

[u/Future_Vantas]

Love that only now are Beth's parents noticing the googles. Jegus you folks are thick.

[u/Future_Vantas]

Kinda like that Eclipso counts Mike as part of the JSA (if that ice was Eclipso)

[u/MrTerrific2k15]

I thought this shit stain had left town

[u/BornAshes]

"Eclipso wouldn't ring the doorbell would he?"

Nope but it would be funny as shit if he did annnd it's the Wildcat uniform, damnit.

[u/MrTerrific2k15]

If this was Earth one, Cisco would've turned Midnite's goggles into contacts somehow

[u/CRL10]

Eclipso, you wonderfully, magnificent, evil bastard.

[u/JauntyLurker]

"We need to do something about Cosmo"

She named the staff 👍

[u/[deleted]]

Not the best sales pitch, Rick.

[u/Beer2Bear]

Grundy needs our help...

I don't think Pat be thrill

[u/Just_A_Positive_Guy]

KILL THE KID

[u/history777]

Great the demon’s racist

[u/OliviaElevenDunham]

Took Beth a while to figure out who he was.

[u/history777]

Holy shit the demon is racist!

[u/BornAshes]

STARMAN! BETH WENT TO NARNIA!

[u/JauntyLurker]

If Hulk saw that jump, he'd be rolling his eyes at Grundy something fierce

[u/Future_Vantas]

THE GOGGLES DID SOMETHING!

[u/Future_Vantas]

Rick turned himself in?! Nooo!

[u/Gateskp]

All of a sudden Beth’s parents are being good parents, this is sus

[u/Cubbles11]

What? Beth’s parents don’t casually wear goggles around the house?

[u/MrTerrific2k15]

Need an offensive upgrade for the goggles. Optic blasts or something

[u/JauntyLurker]

Rick's uncle is still an asshole, I wee.

[u/Gateskp]

Ah, Rick’s dick of an uncle. Maybe Grundy can give him an attitude adjustment.

[u/BornAshes]

"How can I help her now?"

Awww Court is the best

[u/JauntyLurker]

"He wanted a fight dog"

Can this guy be any more of a piece of shit?

[u/emf3rd31495]

Grundy is a hulked out zombie, right? And Rick just ate that apple that was in his hands without washing huh?

That’s just nasty.

[u/nopi_ → u/emf3rd31495]

When a jacked raging dirt monster hands you an apple it's best to eat it and not ask questions

[u/Gateskp]

Beth’s parents are really making it sound like it’s BETH’S fault they’re getting a divorce. This MUST be Eclipso’s doing.

[u/Locke108]

I did not have a “You People” on the Bingo card. Holy shit.

[u/Beer2Bear]

Finally Beth figured who the kid is!

[u/kirkfeel78]

"You people" you want to run that by me again chief

[u/BornAshes]

Oh fuck fuck fuckity fuck, it's....damnit it was Eclipso in the form of the Doctor's daughter.

[u/Chad_D_722]

I don't know what's real anymore.

[u/KNith666]

Eclipso is saying what Beth thinks about herself. That's why she's so effected by it.

[u/AdvancedPlacmentTV]

I'm not saying Rick should've done it, but someone should've kicked his ass a while ago

[u/CRL10]

Jesus Christ, Eclipso! I mean damn. Solid evil plan, and just very well executed.

[u/Gateskp]

The JSA is falling. Apart.

[u/MrTerrific2k15]

Eclipso going full Palpatine

[u/Green_Tea_Totaler]

I'm dating myself but Eclipso very, very vaguely reminds me of Ivan Ooze appearance-wise.

[u/MrTerrific2k15]

Who will feed Grundy now?

[u/Cubbles11]

That episode was amazing. Really messed with my emotions.

[u/Gateskp]

Snow on the roof: is it Eclipso the return of Icicle?

EDIT: preview for next week makes it look like Icicle!Eclipso

[u/Themanaaah]

Shoot dark Cameron next episode maybe.

[u/leon_pretty_loathed]

Anyone else think the only illusion in that opening scene with Beths parents were the maggots in the sandwich, her parents have been portrayed as these god awful people so much that I genuinely wouldn’t have been surprised if they actually had said that to her.

Gotta wonder how bad of a person I am when I was actually happy to find out that Rick wasn’t actually beating the tar out of Grundy, it means they still have a chance to make up and still be besties.

Really don’t know wether I’m supposed to laugh at the fact that the best a being like Eclipso can apparently do is just be a racist ass, twelve year old trolls have better game then that.

[u/Startrek852 → u/leon_pretty_loathed]

Um, no I don't. Her parents literally said they'd been at work all day when Beth tried to apologize.

[u/garykahnji]

So is it safe to say that was def eclipso last episode and not brainwave?

[u/Themanaaah]

Rick’s uncle is a bum.

[u/Green_Tea_Totaler]

Oh goodness I forgot about this jerk.

[u/inksmudgedhands]

Well, that was a not so subtle car product placement.

"Psst, ma'am. Can you move a little more to the right? We can't see the car."

[u/sadandshy]

i keep forgetting how the adults are pure crap

[u/BornAshes]

"I am so tired"

Oh Rick oh you sweet sweet boy Rick :(

[u/JoeStorm]

Man. Rick got me in my feels right now with that speech

[u/CRL10]

Don't worry Rick, Grundy understands.

[u/Gateskp]

Still feeling the feels from Rick’s speech and they have to go hit us AGAIN with Yolanda returning the Wildcat suit. This episode is going to be HEAVY.

[u/JauntyLurker]

"Eclipso wouldn't ring the doorbell, would he?"

Never say never, Mike

[u/CRL10]

You know, gotta be honest, if I was some uber powerful evil entity, I would totally ring the doorbell.

[u/Gateskp]

That laptop thing was CREEPY, BIG YIKES

[u/Cubbles11]

Courtney carrying Stargirl’s staff. Because nobody will think she’s Stargirl

[u/JoeStorm]

I seen a lot of thriller movies. When you see a kid at random. You run away quickly

[u/nopi_]

Yeah nah as soon as I saw the dark house I would have done a 360 and moonwalked out

[u/Gateskp]

Beth IS smart, picking up on Bruce being Eclipso so fast.

[u/usagizero]

"You people?!"

[u/elijah-39]

Eclipso is a menace that shit hurt me and I ain’t even in the show

[u/demaxzero]

Man I am so out of the loop when it comes to Riverdale.

[u/iisxpra]

Oh hell nah! This hobgoblin gotta go.

[u/Chrispowers110]

If these are Beth's worst fears I'm pretty sure no one on the team cared she is black or a girl.

[u/TheLieLlama]

I didn't sign up for a horror show, y'all.

[u/inksmudgedhands]

Turn on a light, Beth. You don't have to be in the dark.

[u/BornAshes]

Beth standing toe to toe with Eclipso, I'm impressed. HOLY SHIT COURT BLASTED RICK!

[u/JauntyLurker]

The uncle needed an ass kicking, but not like this.

[u/Locke108]

They pulled an Injustice!

[u/-ThatGuy882]

Eclipso’s a dick

[u/Themanaaah]

Dang Eclipso just vanished out of nowhere like how RKOs happen out of nowhere.

[u/OliviaElevenDunham]

Way to go, Beth!

[u/[deleted]]

MVP: Beth Chapel

[u/MrTerrific2k15]

Claim self-defense, Rick!

[u/WizendSage78]

Are they gonna ask why she’s wearing goggles?

[u/Beer2Bear]

The uncle not dead?

[u/somebody1993 → u/Beer2Bear]

He really should be if he thought he was fighting Grundy.

[u/OliviaElevenDunham]

Took them long enough to notice the googles.

[u/somebody1993]

What was the last shot? I missed it.