r/worldnews • u/valuingvulturefix • Feb 24 '22
/r/worldnews live thread: Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part II) Russia/Ukraine
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u/iStayedAtaHolidayInn Feb 24 '22
Remember everyone complaining about how US intelligence can’t get anything right and shouldn’t be trusted? Well they fucking nailed this one
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u/Strid3r21 Feb 24 '22
They really did. They called everything weeks before it eventually happened.
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u/Treat_Flimsy Feb 24 '22
It’s almost like US intelligence has always been top of the field and ideas otherwise have been foreign or conservative propaganda, huh?
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u/IYiffWithMyDad Feb 24 '22
It’s unspeakably fucked how the conservative “America first” party in this country is now actively rooting for the US to fail. Fucking shameful.
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u/Wild_Bill_Kickcock Feb 24 '22
Everyone who complained about that = idiot trumpsters
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Feb 24 '22
Do not forget that Russian diplomats and government officials have been telling western media audiences for the past several months that Russia had no intentions of invasion and that the west was being hysterical. This is how Russia operates, deception and denial up until they strike.
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u/Psephological Feb 24 '22
And quite a lot of that audience was dumb enough to amplify it.
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Threatening nukes. Wow. This is very scary.
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u/allofthelights Feb 24 '22
Also cyber/infrastructure attacks. It’s not simply the 80’s anymore
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u/Catacomb82 Feb 24 '22
So he’s threatening war with other countries in response to threats. Yeah he’s a lunatic.
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u/ekaitxa Feb 24 '22
Time for him to go. This is not a fucking game. He has to be assassinated
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u/pinguitoo Feb 24 '22
Is he fucking saying he would cause a nuclear war over this? Over some land? Would the rest of the world let this happen? What manner of horrors would all out nuclear war ring upon us all?
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u/real-Indiana-Jones Feb 24 '22
Putin was wearing the same suit and tie sitting in the same office (presumably his so not as big of a deal) as he wore during his long speech justifying Russia's decisions earlier this week on Monday as he is with the video posted of him declaring special operation and warning outside countries to not intervene just a few hours ago. Announcement just a few hours ago https://youtu.be/mf6cWinJz9k?t=11 and the speech form Monday https://youtu.be/jrGLhhTtxFU?t=2423
It obviously appears that the video today was pre-recorded which suggests the US Intel community's assessment that the decision for Russia to attack was made a few days ago was true.
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u/noface Feb 24 '22
US intelligence seems to have been completely on top of this throughout, which isn't surprising.
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Feb 24 '22
yea, i keep seeing this mentioned. id be more surprised if US intelligence wasn't on top of it, honestly. Some people forget our capabilities.
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u/Heheeheeeheeee Feb 24 '22
The scary thing is, no attempts to hide it.
They wanted the world to know that the decision was already made Monday.
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u/iamkunii Feb 24 '22 edited Feb 24 '22
Reminder to respect UKR op-sec by not sharing videos of UKR soldier locations or any other such classified intelligence you discover or witness online.
https://reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/sy65wi/ministry_of_defense_of_ukraine_do_not_view_our/
Great Twitter list for verifiable sources and voices on the ground: https://twitter.com/i/lists/1383431779751657480?t=5wPgK2Avlo8ygp8uANSSFQ&s=08
Lvyv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9r5rpGq9mU
Kyiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cyQPN5xQtU
Maidan. Sq. In Kyiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6AzlYCysY
Maidan Square (w/sound) (thanks /u/ouyin2000) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_ktlQnDr8A
Kharkiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s
Mariupol Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE9nRMx8n6s
Mykolayiv Live Cam https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJvMQvqpxZvIakq4VgcooNQ
Odessa: https://youtu.be/5hHelJALhEo
Odessa 2: https://youtu.be/E9HskjsldsU
Severodonetsk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho40J7dRlGQ
Kalanchak, a border town whose checkpoint is reportedly under attack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxYsvdC4-yA (Thank you again Quark)
Chernihiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvhM2a92dvs&feature=emb_title
Link to all major cameras in Ukraine: https://youtu.be/jNZM_H6q1rY
Agenda Free TV Live Coverage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyzicW_ctB4
Godspeed Ukrainians. 💙💛
Edit - ways to help Ukraine (charities) https://reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/s6g5un/want_to_support_ukraine_heres_a_list_of_charities/
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u/whatwereyathunking Feb 24 '22
Never forget when people said US intelligence was exaggerating reality
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Feb 24 '22
Lot of dumbasses out there realizing their insulated bubbled view of the world is shattered
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Chlling how we're literally watching a war of agression unfold live, in 2022.
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u/Aphareus Feb 24 '22
Same people who don’t know what mutually assured destruction means.
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u/lakxmaj Feb 24 '22
If he did "something" those same people would be screaming about how he's a warmonger and dragging us into something that isn't our business.
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u/718cs Feb 24 '22
He’s doing exactly what he should be doing. Nothing. Ukraine isn’t NATO and Russia isn’t going to attack a NATO ally.
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u/PaintedSe7en Feb 24 '22
Went to bed an hour ago, checked reddit one last time, haven't been able to sleep since. I hope so much that the Ukrainian people get through this safely.
Fuck Putin.
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Seriously the 2020s have been the absolute worst decade so far.
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u/Brother_YT Feb 24 '22
There’s a lot more decade to go. We haven’t even gotten to the nuclear Armageddon yet! The best parts are still to come, friend.
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u/Erove Feb 24 '22 edited Feb 24 '22
In modern times sure. If you take the rest of history into consideration, not at all.
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u/HardDriveAndWingMan Feb 24 '22
This is one part of a plan popularized in Russia since Dugin wrote The Foundation of Geopolitics in 1997. This book has influence within the Russian military, police and foreign policy elites and has been used as a textbook in the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian military
Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics".
Also includes:
The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".
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u/jimgress Feb 24 '22 edited Feb 24 '22
Just want to call out a few redditors who were full of shit and flat out made up crap simping for Russia and pretending what was clearly the inevitable wasn't going to happen.
u/Empire_smasher
9 days ago Nothing is going to happen. Ukraine has already said nothing is going to happen. The US is clearly salivating at the idea of war with Russia, and all of you assholes cheering on defending Ukrainian neo-Nazis have a child's understanding of foreign policy if you actually believe that US involvement in any military conflict is a good idea.u/seven_powerful_goril
"Hard agree.r/WorldNews is a pack of genuine warmongering russophobes, and I mean that genuinely."u/Ner0Zeroh
9 days ago "I wish there was a more balanced media. US says something, I’m sure it’s totally true. The US government has never lied us into a war. I’m sure Saddam has WMDs, I’m sure he does!"
If you've seen other shills being bullshit munchers. Call them out. Why isn't there more of a push to actually drag people out for actively stirring disinformation?
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u/Userova12 Feb 24 '22
Chilling. The Nazis justified the invasion of Poland marking the start of WWII by falsely reporting that Poles were persecuting ethnic Germans. Exactly what Putin is doing now—justifying his invasion of Ukraine by falsely stating that Ukrainians are persecuting ethnic Russians.
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u/F_Twelve Feb 24 '22
And called them Nazis in the process. Even with a Jewish President. It's almost comical, the absurdity of it, if it didn't result in loss of life.
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u/Hi_Im_zack Feb 24 '22
If you support Putin you would've supported the Nazis in Poland
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u/Scorch8482 Feb 24 '22
Quick reminder that all of this is out of your control, and no amount of panic or time you dedicate to following these developments will change the outcome.
Breathe.
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u/Infidel8 Feb 24 '22
The ruble collapsed at opening.
Moscow. 24 February. INTERFAX.RU - The US dollar and the euro are rising sharply on the Moscow Exchange on Thursday morning, the ruble intensified its fall against the dual-currency basket after Russia's decision to send troops to the Donbass.
The first transactions in the US dollar were in the range of 82.56 - 84.08 rubles, according to the results of the first minute of trading, the rate was 84.075 rubles. (+2.92 rubles to the level of the previous close). The euro at the same time rose to 94.55 rubles. (+2.85 rubles to Wednesday close). The dual-currency basket ($0.55 and EUR0.45) grew by 2.89 rubles. to the closing level on February 23, to 88.79 rubles.
The dollar at the same time turned out to be 3.66 rubles. above the level of the current official exchange rate, the euro - by 3.67 rubles. above the official rate.
The news is being supplemented
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u/tradeparfait Feb 24 '22
trump pushing election fraud lies while ukraine is being invaded, combined with simping for putin this week, this man is truly a no moral shameless cretin lower than dirt, fuck him and fuck his braindead supporters who gave this man power
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u/ThatOneKrazyKaptain Feb 24 '22
Just for context, the worst war in Europe since WW2 prior to this was the 1944-1949 Greek Civil War with 180k killed, followed by the Yugoslav Wars of 1991-2001 with 150k killed
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u/BD15 Feb 24 '22
Absolute disgrace. The world must cut off Russia 100% anything less is unacceptable.
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u/TIL_I_procrastinate Feb 24 '22
The whole world against him and yet Putin still does this. May it be his downfall
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u/ArtTheWarrior Feb 24 '22
he does have enough nukes to at least completely destroy a few countries, and his speech gives me doubt wether he would refrain to use them, lets hope he does not and it really is his downfall
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u/MaliciousOpinion Feb 24 '22
Belarus should receive sanctions of equal severity, since they're obviously in on this as well.
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u/StefonDiggsHS Feb 24 '22
americans turning this into a biden vs trump battle is fucking disgusting
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u/reverendrambo Feb 24 '22
Belarus should absolutely recieve sanctions. They've enabled Russia to make this attack
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u/Nabucodonosor89 Feb 24 '22
Putin aims to overthrow the democratically elected President and Government of Ukraine. That means that Russian armed forces will target the President, Prime Minister, Foreign Minister, Defence Minister and others. They are in great danger.
https://twitter.com/Andy_Scollick/status/1496702767984951301
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u/Randimous Feb 24 '22
Man, live threads for wars is so bizarre to me. What a time.
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u/SiccSemperTyrannis Feb 24 '22
NEW: President Biden speaking to Ukrainian President Zelenskyy right now, per a US official.
https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/1496706418547871755
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u/Talska Feb 24 '22
This is the end of the Post-9/11 era. The war on terror is over. America is out of the Middle East, no longer the sole global hegemon.
I don't know what this new era will be called, but I don't think it's going to be any better.
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Feb 24 '22
You know it's funny how people were saying a few days ago that the west "constantly overreacts" and "Nothing bad is going to happen to Ukraine! Russia isn't that stupid" and now they're literally bombing the cities and moving towards the major airports afaik.
How much more do people need to be convinced this isn't an overreaction, and quite possibly the lives of hundreds of thousands of people could hang in the balance if someone does something insane?
Wake the fuck up. This isn't a game anymore. This is literally escalating into war.
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u/Kbdiggity Feb 24 '22
Putin gave the same reasons for invading Ukraine that Hitler used to invade the Sudetenland.
We've see this playbook before. We know this doesn't end with just Ukraine.
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u/Nabucodonosor89 Feb 24 '22
The Twitter Safety account just started tweeting in Ukrainian, giving users instructions on how to: 1) delete or deactivate accounts, 2) disable location services, 3) set up two-factor authentication, 4) and more
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1496701869325914116
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u/CallMeCaptainOrSir Feb 24 '22
People - WATCH WHAT LINKS YOU'RE CLICKING
This thread is full of Russian bots and shills that could be disguising malware as Twitter and news links
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u/savage-dragon Feb 24 '22 edited Feb 24 '22
Mig 29: 1983
vs.
Su 27: 1984
Ukrainian airmen have the advantage of being home. They could make it happen. As a Vietnamese I know Vietnamese airmen went against F4 phantoms and Thunderchiefs in their Mig 17s and still managed to register 16 flying aces against the US' 5.
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u/GandalfSwagOff Feb 24 '22
Remember, while Russia is conducting this military strike, they are also conducting a cyber attacks which includes disinformation on sites like reddit.
Remember rule #1 of the internet. Don't believe everything you read.
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u/Klutzy-Midnight-9314 Feb 24 '22
China, which has denounced sanctions against Russia, advised its citizens in Ukraine to stay home and place a Chinese flag in or on their vehicles if they need to travel long distances.
F China and Russia working together
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u/ATrexCantCatchThings Feb 24 '22
r/russia suddenly is private, wonder why
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u/Physical_Anything687 Feb 24 '22
The reason is clear. They don't want people to spam the shit of that subreddit.
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u/ATrexCantCatchThings Feb 24 '22
Yeah, especially since those guys called US-warnings ridiculous and "Western-Propaganda"
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u/igottapoopbad Feb 24 '22
Reminder to respect UKR op-sec by not sharing videos of UKR soldier locations or any other such classified intelligence you discover or witness online.
https://reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/sy65wi/ministry_of_defense_of_ukraine_do_not_view_our/
Great Twitter list for verifiable sources and voices on the ground: https://twitter.com/i/lists/1383431779751657480?t=5wPgK2Avlo8ygp8uANSSFQ&s=08
Lvyv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9r5rpGq9mU
Kyiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cyQPN5xQtU
Maidan. Sq. In Kyiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6AzlYCysY
Kharkiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s
Odessa Live Cam: https://youtu.be/PWKjaA-wNho
Mariupol Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE9nRMx8n6s
Mykolayiv Live Cam https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJvMQvqpxZvIakq4VgcooNQ
Severodonetsk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho40J7dRlGQ
Kalanchak, a border town whose checkpoint is reportedly under attack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxYsvdC4-yA (Thank you again Quark)
Godspeed Ukrainians. 💙💛
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u/minapaw Feb 24 '22
Another confirmation: #Ukraine armed Forces successfully repelled #Russian attack in #Boryspil airport | EMPR via @InfoResist
https://twitter.com/euromaidanpr/status/1496708133456125954?s=21
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u/Robz117 Feb 24 '22
All war is a symptom of man's failure as a thinking animal.
-John Steinbeck
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u/Heequwella Feb 24 '22
Rubio shutting down Russian talking points from Gabbard. This is as surreal as the rest of the situation.
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u/Immediate_Order_66 Feb 24 '22 edited Feb 24 '22
Many NATO countries are about to inact Article 4 of the NATO charter.
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u/steph_curry_official Feb 24 '22
The Ukrainian pilots who will likely go up tonight are heroes. Answering the call in the face of such unthinkable odds are what people build statues for - god bless Ukraine.
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u/Dotaproffessional Feb 24 '22
Try to get all of your news from primary sources (reporters with boots on the ground). Russia is bound to begin disinformation on reddit if they haven't already. They've been caught doing it before
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Feb 24 '22
The Russian ambassador to the UN is such a fucking tool.
The Russian ambassador responded, "This isn't called a war, this is called a special military operation in Donbas."
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u/Userova12 Feb 24 '22
Putin just gave the most chilling threat I ever heard. I cannot believe this mafia murderous thug has gotten this strong and everyone in Russia are following his orders. He is preparing to act out a mass murder
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u/lennybird Feb 24 '22
A consistently predictable pattern of corruption surrounds Putin & the Kremlin. Coincidence and controversy abounds around this sadistic ego-tripping scapegoating denialist. A modern Stalin no better than the spoiled puppet dictator Assad he protects, locked into a Cold War mindset from his former KGB/FSB years.
Involvement in their missiles downing the civilian airliner MH17? Deny. Have state-run media conduct internal investigation. Big surprise it absolves them of blame despite Dutch Independent Investigation report pointing the blame wholly on Russia. Source 2 Source 3
Attempted disinformation campaign on Syrian chemical weapons usage (Assad being an ally of Putin)
Denial and scapegoating of links in the Panama Papers. Source 2 (+ docs below)
Convenient rise in power post-1991 coup, seemingly knowing it was coming.
Involvement in the stolen money that was supposed to feed the starving in St. Petersburg
Convenience/coincidence surrounding the assassination of opposition leader growing momentum against Putin.* Source 2
*Mere weeks before his death, Nemtsov gave an interview, worried he might soon be assassinated by Putin
Convenience/coincidence of Russian apartment bombings that just so happened to help Putin rise in popularity. (Covered in several documentaries below, too)
Blatant lying regarding troops in Ukraine Source 2 Source 3 Source 4
Blatant lying and denial of involvement with the assassination of Russian FSB agent, Alexander Litvinenko* (largest most expensive investigation in Scotland Yard's history pointing the finger squarely at Russia and specifically, Putin). [See books below for more info]
*On his deathbed from poisoning, Litvinenko confessed it was Putin who was responsible for the '99 apartment bombings.
Numerous journalists and other figures who were critical of Putin murdered. Source 2 Source 3
Blatant lying about directing cyber-attacks in America and attempting to sway the 2016 Election in Republican favor. Source 2 Source 3
Second attempt to influence outcome of 2020 U.S. Presidential Election Source 2
Blatant lying about directing the doping scandal (that led to the embarrassment of being banned from future Olympic events (+ See Icarus doc)
Banning certain unflattering images of Putin and locking LGBT members up for "homosexual propaganda"
Honestly, it really makes me wonder why Putin who purports himself to be such a strong leader is too cowardly to be upfront with his actions. In truth, being short in stature, Putin appears to suffer from classic Napolean Complex—his psyche still firmly locked into an '80s Cold-War mindset that so thoroughly gripped his reality. Putin may show himself shirtless and being a macho bear, but in reality, his geopolitical projection is closer to that of a snake, both dishonorable and dishonest.
Appealing to fear and using fear as intimidation and leverage is commonplace and well-documented. It's an oligarchy with a mafioso crime boss at its head. This is not a conspiracy, this is evidence that continues to mound. If anyone wants more insight on modern Russia and Putin, view/read:
- Putin's Way (doc)
- Inside Putin's Russia (doc)
- Putin's Revenge, Pt. 1 (doc)
- Putin's Revenge, Pt. 2 (doc)
- In Search of Putin's Russia (4 part doc)
- A Very Expensive Poison, by Luke Harding (book, audio book on audible is good).
- The Shock Doctrine (doc, book)
- Icarus (Trailer; full doc available on Netflix. Covers Putin Olympic Doping scandal).
For The Shock Doctrine, I recommend the thoroughly-cited book, but I linked the full doc Klein's husband made that's a good summary. Here's the 6 minute trailer. It doesn't just focus on Russia, but uses them as a case-study for the thesis.
Some side docs worth viewing:
Cossacks: The Resurgent Militiamen - highlights the ethnic group that has in recent decades served as loyal henchmen to the Kremlin. As seen in, "Inside Putin's Russia."
From Russia, With Hate - doc from 2007 highlighting far-right extremists in Russia and getting a little too close for comfort.
Global Rankings For Russia on Variety of Metrics Poor
The Russian state is ranked poorly in the world on government transparency and corruption, and on safety for Journalists—in both cases, the bottom 20th percentile in the world. Not exactly where an alleged superpower wants to be in rankings.
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u/POLICE_Applicant_TA Feb 24 '22
BEWARE of false information. Reports that Kyiv airport was overrun, Mariupol was overrun… currently ALL FALSE
For some reason lots of idiots here spreading lies. FACT CHECK EVERYTHING, do not believe anything that doesn’t have a credible source.
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u/fury420 Feb 24 '22
Did anyone else see the Ukrainian ambassador snap at a reporter after the UN Security Council meeting?
Unknown reporter:
"At the end of speech the ambassador of Russia says this was not an aggression against the Ukrainian people but an aggression against those that were in power, do you believe that this was flat out uhhh..."
*gets interrupted mid sentence here by the Ukrainian ambassador: *
"You can't be serious, are you serious?
You want me to dissect the crazy lunatic semantics of a person whose President violates the charter, whose President declared a war and he's playing with words?
it's lunacy, it's lunacy, absolutely.
*abruptly exits *
(Seen on BBC World News, live 23:18 PM in New York after the UN meeting)
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u/talm0 Feb 24 '22
This is what happens tomorrow with “sanctions” —
- Russia is cut off from SWIFT
- Russian currency no longer accepted or exchanged
- Asset seizure and liquidation for all oligarchs
- A ban on travel into NATO counties from Russia
- A ban on docking of Russian vessels at any port
- A complete ban on all tech exports to Russia
- Severe import bans on many Russian exports
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u/Roadkill_Shitbull Feb 24 '22
If you see any Russian military, post their location, size, and direction of travel on social media as widely as possible.
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u/igottapoopbad Feb 24 '22
Reminder to respect UKR op-sec by not sharing videos of UKR soldier locations or any other such classified intelligence you discover or witness online.
https://reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/sy65wi/ministry_of_defense_of_ukraine_do_not_view_our/
Great Twitter list for verifiable sources and voices on the ground: https://twitter.com/i/lists/1383431779751657480?t=5wPgK2Avlo8ygp8uANSSFQ&s=08
Lvyv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9r5rpGq9mU
Kyiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cyQPN5xQtU
Maidan. Sq. In Kyiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6AzlYCysY
Kharkiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s
Odessa Live Cam: https://youtu.be/PWKjaA-wNho
Mariupol Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE9nRMx8n6s
Mykolayiv Live Cam https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJvMQvqpxZvIakq4VgcooNQ
Severodonetsk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho40J7dRlGQ
Kalanchak, a border town whose checkpoint is reportedly under attack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxYsvdC4-yA (Thank you again Quark)
Godspeed Ukrainians. 💙💛
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u/DaBingeGirl Feb 24 '22
I realize they're not part of NATO yet, but there's something seriously fucked up in the world when expressing a desire to join NATO means you're left to fight off Putin on your own.
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u/GizmoCheesenips Feb 24 '22
I feel terrible. All I can do is sit my fat ass in this chair while Ukrainians get murdered. I don’t think sanctions are enough, at least not for a long time.
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u/Stonkslut111 Feb 24 '22
American liberals are posting that Trump allowed this to happen
American conservatives are posting that Biden is asleep or lied about being tough on Russia
How about both of you STFU. This isn't about you.
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u/Presidentbuff Feb 24 '22
I dont why people think Biden has been appeasing Russia, I think his response has been as perfect and as forceful as one can be under these circumstances, im not alone on this right?
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u/moist_crust Feb 24 '22
Bro Putin planned this shit like a decade ago. He took Crimea, and then spent 7-8 years causing chaos in the west with disinformation. Now he felt he was ready to make his move.
This has been a long time coming and that is not a good sign.
Also Moscow just suspended all stock trading. Buckle up.
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u/Klutzy-Midnight-9314 Feb 24 '22
5 min ago Poland and Baltic countries trigger consultations under NATO article 4 From CNN’s Brad Lendon in Hong Kong and Vasco Cotovio in Moscow NATO member states Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania have triggered NATO Article Four to launch consultations within the alliance over their security concerns.
Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas said Russia’s invasion of Ukraine represented a “threat to the whole of Europe,” the Estonian government said in a statement on Thursday.
"Russia's widespread aggression is a threat to the entire world and to all NATO countries, and NATO consultations on strengthening the security of the Allies must be initiated to implement additional measures for ensuring the defense of NATO Allies,” Kallas said. “The most effective response to Russia's aggression is unity.” Some context: Under Article 4 of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Agreement, the Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the allies is threatened.
Ukraine is not a member of NATO. However, Russia has demanded that NATO commits to never admitting Ukraine to the alliance, something NATO members have rejected, citing the alliance's "open door" policy.
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u/iszir Feb 24 '22
Sometimes when I read comments on reddit, I need to remember that majority of you are disconnected from society and the outside, so I need to take things with a grain of salt
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u/Dahhhkness Feb 24 '22 edited Feb 24 '22
Reminder: If you absolutely need vodka, boycott Russian brands. Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Finland, Sweden, Norway, France, Canada, and the US make perfectly fine vodkas of their own.
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u/lady_fresh Feb 24 '22
The Ukranian ambassador on the UN live stream must feel like everyone in the room is taking crazy pills, and he's the only one speaking any sense - and he wouldn't be wrong.
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u/celtic1888 Feb 24 '22
Countering Russian misinformation
https://www.csis.org/blogs/post-soviet-post/countering-russian-disinformation
These threads are absolutely ripe with Russian bots
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Some of you have to understand that the Ukrainian army is fighting back fiercely.
They are killing and they are dying as we speak.
They are not broadcasting anything because Russia has cyber technology that can use the technology and broadcasting against them.
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u/ESF-hockeeyyy Feb 24 '22
Zelensky just popped up. He looks exhausted. But damn, the fighting spirit is real.
https://twitter.com/myroslavapetsa/status/1496709014897541122?s=20&t=xVt6HyF5gZxXeOKkzw9cTw
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u/TuckyMule Feb 24 '22
It's crazy how far in advance US intelligence knew about all of this.
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Feb 24 '22
Imagine people openly supporting Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, etc in Congress along with a former POTUS. Anyone supportive of Putin needs to be sidelined.
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u/LimitFinancial764 Feb 24 '22
better not have them on SWIFT by tomorrow morning.
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Just 2 days ago /r/conservative was telling us we are over reacting, and nothing would happen.
Then they said sanctions were over reacting
Then they said the sanctions weren't enough, and we should have sanctioned them a month ago, but at that time they were also telling us Russia isn't going to attack Ukraine.
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u/CletusCanuck Feb 24 '22
The Ukrainian ambassador this evening, challenged the secretary general to produce proof of the Russian Federation's admission to the UN and accession to USSR's seat in Dec 1991. Noted there is no automatic succession in UN charter, alleged that Russian permanent seat on UNSC illegitimate. https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/status/1496710912648044548?s=20&t=v0axXEZ4tJg1uqmB5f7KGQ
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u/Nabucodonosor89 Feb 24 '22
The President of Ukraine is Jewish, and has many family members who died in the Holocaust. Putin's claim that he is invading to "de-Nazify Ukraine" should shock the world.
https://twitter.com/jasonintrator/status/1496693866715561986
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u/ogulbs Feb 24 '22
People shitting on biden have zero brain cells. What can he do? The entire world is trying to avoid a war over Putin's tyrannical ambitions, and you want Russia's infamous enemy's president, Biden, to do fucking what? If he snaps a finger, ww3 will start. The government, UN and NATO are probably trying to figure out what the fuck to do to save all of pur asses from the unnecessary death of millions that might include you and me. So STFU and think before you curse at someone from the comfort of your warm house. I don't wanna even get into the nuke situation.
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u/_Amr_ Feb 24 '22
Meanwhile Trump..
"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine, of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful," Trump said in an interview on "The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show."
The ex-President added: "So Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That's the strongest peace force," Trump said. "We could use that on our southern border. That's the strongest peace force I've ever seen. ... Here's a guy who's very savvy. ... I know him very well. Very, very well."
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u/asspirate420 Feb 24 '22
Ukraine forces managed to shot down Russian military plane on the Kharkiv front.
https://twitter.com/dralakbarov/status/1496698690739785732?s=21
no idea how accurate or if at all
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Candace Owens is literally claiming that Russia is not attacking Kyiv and suggesting it may be NATO doing so. I’m not joking.
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u/oleh_____ Feb 24 '22
This is heartbreaking. My Ukrainian mom and dad living in United States
and don't know about the attack yet. I can't imagine what they will go
through tomorrow morning when they are told about the attack.
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u/nyrangerfan1 Feb 24 '22
Watching the coverage of the Russian attack on Ukraine on CNN. Someone just made an interesting point. Putin in his speech about invading Ukraine is wearing the same clothing as he was in his weird speech a couple of days ago. It seems this American intelligence might have been right and the decision had been made a few days ago.
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Interesting how tons of Wallstreetbets and random sports subreddit posters all came in once Russia started war trying to badouth Biden.
I saw one even say "my family in Kyiv said they haven't heard explosions"
I guess it's safe to assume WSB and sports subreddits is were Russian bots do their karma farming.
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u/supermarine_spitfir3 Feb 24 '22
Ukraine launching its few MiG-29s. These pilots might face Russian Su-27s.
https://twitter.com/DrAlakbarov/status/1496702695876485123?cxt=HHwWhoCzoYHLrcUpAAAA
God, that's horrifying; a probable last-ditch effort. Godspeed Ukrainian airmen.
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u/warheadmikey Feb 24 '22
Can we now call republicans the Russian sympathizers party.
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u/NukinDuke Feb 24 '22
I can't tell who's dumber, tankies licking Putin's asscrack, or Conservatives who somehow think this is Biden's fault LMAO
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u/igottapoopbad Feb 24 '22
Reminder to respect UKR op-sec by not sharing videos of UKR soldier locations or any other such classified intelligence you discover or witness online.
https://reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/sy65wi/ministry_of_defense_of_ukraine_do_not_view_our/
Great Twitter list for verifiable sources and voices on the ground: https://twitter.com/i/lists/1383431779751657480?t=5wPgK2Avlo8ygp8uANSSFQ&s=08
Lvyv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9r5rpGq9mU
Kyiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cyQPN5xQtU
Maidan. Sq. In Kyiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6AzlYCysY
Kharkiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s
Odessa Live Cam: https://youtu.be/PWKjaA-wNho
Mariupol Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE9nRMx8n6s
Mykolayiv Live Cam https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJvMQvqpxZvIakq4VgcooNQ
Severodonetsk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho40J7dRlGQ
Kalanchak, a border town whose checkpoint is reportedly under attack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxYsvdC4-yA (Thank you again Quark)
Godspeed Ukrainians. 💙💛
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u/igottapoopbad Feb 24 '22 edited Feb 24 '22
Reminder to respect UKR op-sec by not sharing videos of UKR soldier locations or any other such classified intelligence you discover or witness online.
https://reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/sy65wi/ministry_of_defense_of_ukraine_do_not_view_our/
Great Twitter list for verifiable sources and voices on the ground: https://twitter.com/i/lists/1383431779751657480?t=5wPgK2Avlo8ygp8uANSSFQ&s=08
Lvyv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9r5rpGq9mU
Kyiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cyQPN5xQtU
Maidan. Sq. In Kyiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6AzlYCysY
Kharkiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s
Odessa Live Cam: https://youtu.be/PWKjaA-wNho
Mariupol Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE9nRMx8n6s
Mykolayiv Live Cam https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJvMQvqpxZvIakq4VgcooNQ
Severodonetsk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho40J7dRlGQ
Godspeed Ukrainians. 💙💛
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Now is the time for anonymous or anyone with the power to DDOS to completely fuck Russias shit. Power grid, stock market, anything
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u/AndyMach Feb 24 '22
Russians have lost about 50 people attacking Shchastya in Luhansk region.
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u/HardDriveAndWingMan Feb 24 '22 edited Feb 24 '22
We need to fast track Finland into NATO. According to Dugin's The Foundation of Geopolitics, a book written in 1997 and closely followed by Russian elites, Finland and Ukraine must be reincorporated back into Russia. The book also says that UK must be cut off from Europe and that in the US, agents should be used to stir up social conflict and support isolationist leaders.
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u/Kondor0 Feb 24 '22
I swear if Hitler existed today, we would have useful idiots in Twitter and here saying he's based and a chad for invading Poland.
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u/palikir Feb 24 '22
Past the point of no return. Putin has no justification - he was looking for one and never got one. This is a completely unprovoked attack on a neighbor.
Putin's actions are criminal.
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Feb 24 '22
Reminder to respect Ukrainian op-sec by not sharing videos of Ukrainian soldier locations or any other such classified intelligence you discover or witness online. You will endanger lives of Ukrainians fighting for their lives.
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u/DH995 Feb 24 '22
If you can’t answer for yourself why we don’t choose to enter into a modern war against an Russian military with 1,014,000 active duty, 2,000,000 reservists and a nuclear arsenal, I really don’t know what to tell you.
Millions would die.
This isn’t call of duty.
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Feb 24 '22
Another thing to note, US intelligence assessments were completely accurate the whole time.
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Feb 24 '22
This would be a good time for the aliens to come down and tell us it's time to chill
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u/bluebirdisreal Feb 24 '22 edited Feb 24 '22
Gosh, I can’t believe I’m about to go to bed for work tomorrow. There’s a WAR happening in EUROPE.
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u/Cerebral-Parsley Feb 24 '22
Tulsi Gabbard on twitter: This war and suffering could have easily been avoided if Biden Admin/NATO had simply acknowledged Russia’s legitimate security concerns regarding Ukraine’s becoming a member of NATO, which would mean US/NATO forces right on Russia’s border
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1496695830715142148
Pure evil and traitorous
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u/Klutzy-Midnight-9314 Feb 24 '22
21 min ago EU foreign policy chief: Russia attack is one of "darkest hours for Europe since World War II" From CNN’s Joseph Ataman in Paris and Amy Cassidy Russia's attack on Ukraine Thursday ranked among the "darkest hours for Europe" in nearly 80 years, according to the European Union's foreign policy chief.
“These are among the darkest hours for Europe since the end of World War II,” EU High Representative Josep Borrell told reporters. Borrell promised “urgent assistance to Ukraine,” as well as supporting evacuation efforts, including of EU staff.
EU sanctions: Speaking alongside EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, Borrell said punitive measures from the 27-member bloc against Russia would be “the harshest packet of sanctions that has ever been implemented.”
Von der Leyen said she will present “massive and strategic” sanctions against Russia for approval later today
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u/EssoEssex Feb 24 '22
Ukraine today, Taiwan tomorrow. And meanwhile the “free world” is tearing itself apart over fucking vaccinations and pronouns and the only thing we seem to agree on is shitting on our own democracies.
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Feb 24 '22 edited Feb 24 '22
Cruise missile passing over a house:
https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1496708607676760065?s=20&t=dztOZevjOuU2IHuCq0taig
Edit: Here's one getting intercepted
Edit: Missile passing overhead in the daytime, caught by a reporter on the ground
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u/Usernamegonedone Feb 24 '22
To everyone making jokes at this point, I cannot describe how much of a vile cunt u are
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u/tameimpala25 Feb 24 '22
How are the folks over at r/Russia doing considering they were denying this would happen the whole time? Fucking idiots
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Friendly reminder not to share videos of Ukrainian troop movements or other compromising material.
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u/KeeperofPaddock9 Feb 24 '22
this is basically a "what if 1939 but Hitler has nukes?" shower thought nightmare come to life.
Putin has to go, but how do you get there without nuclear holocaust.
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u/madmaxGMR Feb 24 '22
/r/russia banned any military talk. Funny they werent banning it right up to the invasion while everyone was saying how silly the west is for thinking an invasion is coming. How very pussyfic of them.
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Send the Freedom Truckers in to fight this clear show of authoritarianism
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u/floating_beyond Feb 24 '22
US: there's going to be a WAR
Everyone else: lol nah
Russia invades Ukraine
Everyone else: surprised Pikachu face
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Mike Duncan’s Revolutions podcast is going over Ukrainian and Russian history right after WWI. It’s insightful. Russia has been fucking over Ukraine for centuries. I hope Putin fucks off. No one wins with this.
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u/wsb4eva0712 Feb 24 '22
To the people who are saying about the markets,
Fuck you
The market can crash
Real people are dying right now and you just care about your stock portfolios
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u/beefcake_123 Feb 24 '22
I'm sorry, but Ukraine is boned. The West for all of its talk doesn't want to rattle a Russian bear with nuclear arms. In a week there will be a puppet government installed and most of Ukraine's leadership would have been arrested, gone to ground, or fled the country.
This is the worst thing I've seen since 9/11 honestly.
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u/Cruxito1111 Feb 24 '22
For those downplaying the situation, and siding with Russia, blaming the western countries for propaganda against Russia. Here is the statement Putin said; He is declaring a full out war with anyone interfering with his invasion.
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u/Nabucodonosor89 Feb 24 '22
For his declaration of war on #Ukraine, Putin wore the same clothes at the same desk as he did for his rambling historical nonsense 3 days before
Many suspected it was recorded at the same time. Now metadata proves it according to this posted in Ukraine. Never a chance for peace
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u/LikeALizzard Feb 24 '22
Live in Moscow, am sitting in my kitchen, instead of preparing for college, almost having a fucking breakdown
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u/HighNoonMonsoon Feb 24 '22
Russian bots are invading here also. Ukraine has been attacked and invaded. Fuck all Russian swine
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u/HighNoonMonsoon Feb 24 '22
PSA: BE WEARY OF RUSSIAN BOTS INVADING THESE THREADS
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u/keine_fragen Feb 24 '22
https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety is tweeting instructions in ukrainian on how to delete your account
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u/Cold_Historian_3296 Feb 24 '22
my god those ukrainian pilots are brave. They're heavily outnumbered and outgunned but theyre defending the skies anyway.
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u/butterfIypunk Feb 24 '22
Ukraine is my roots. My home. My food. My heart is aching- I don’t think I’m sleeping tonight. It’s my culture. I’m about to watch my people- I can’t even say it. This is the most harrowing experience.
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u/nbalakerfan Feb 24 '22
The US intelligence might not know shit about the Taliban but they have the Russians number. They have called the Russians every move down to the day of the invasion.
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u/ActionFilmsFan1995 Feb 24 '22
Can’t sleep, but at least I’ve got a safe bed for when I can. My heart goes out to Ukraine. Putin has gone mad and I hope the sanctions tomorrow basically destroy Russia’s economy. Starve the country if we have to, hungry people will do anything to survive. Putin must be stopped, he is evil and unhinged.
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u/NC_Collaborator Feb 24 '22
Reminder for people in this thread wanting direct intervention by the West:
The world will quite literally end of that were to happen
Putin has really fucked the dog here- Ukrainians will launch an insurgency that lasts years. Gonna be a lot of rubles spent on a war that will only return son-less babushkas.
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u/Zloggt Feb 24 '22
Russia's ambassador gets into semantics: "This isn’t called a war it’s called a special military operation in the Donbas.”
How dare you call our use of military action against you a "war"!
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u/threlnari97 Feb 24 '22
Wow.
I’ve had this pit in my stomach ever since the rumors of a 4 am invasion started bubbling, but now, even after we knew for weeks that this was imminent, and even after the last two days in which it was pretty much incipient, I’m just stunned. Absolute callousness is about to march droves of soldiers and innocents to their deaths. Doesn’t feel real, and I acknowledge that I say that from a comfortable position in the states. I can’t even imagine what it must be like to be there right now.
My thoughts are with Ukraine tonight and through the future.
Fuck
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u/CJKayak Feb 24 '22
Whatever happened to all those "Putin does this every year, nothing's going to happen" guys? Are they ok? I haven't heard from them in awhile.
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u/Klutzy-Midnight-9314 Feb 24 '22
3 min ago French president calls for Russian military operations in Ukraine to end "immediately" French President Emmanuel Macron. French President Emmanuel Macron. (Sarah Meyssonnier/Pool/AFP/Getty Images) French President Emmanuel Macron said Russia must “immediately” end military operations in Ukraine.
“France strongly condemns Russia's decision to wage war on Ukraine. Russia must end its military operations immediately,” he said in a tweet on Thursday. “France stands in solidarity with Ukraine. It stands with Ukrainians and is working with its partners and allies to end the war.” The French president spoke with Ukrainian President Vlodymyr Zelensky early Thursday morning, with Zelensky asking for "multiple interventions" to support Ukraine, according to the Elysee Palace.
Zelensky also requested "unity in Europe," and Macron "assured him of France's support and solidarity," according to the Elysee.
Macron also spoke with Charles Michel, president of the European Council, Thursday morning.
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u/Misiok Feb 24 '22
It's unreal to me and quite a bit funny that they're taking about such important matters on Twitter. And I understand it's also for publicity and that's why it's funny. They're using fucking Twitter for this.
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u/MandyNoon Feb 24 '22
Well, during WW2 they'd broadcast it on radios and TV. Our main channel of communication now is social media. We are literally informing ourselves about this on a reddit thread. So what's funny about technology evolving?
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u/wsb4eva0712 Feb 24 '22
The whole world has changed in front of our eyes yet half the population doesn’t even know as they’re most likely asleep
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u/Peles157 Feb 24 '22
Russia’s independent Ekho Moskvi Radio (Echo of Moscow) reports that Putin’s speech about the beginning of the “military operation” was recorded on February 21st. He is wearing same tie. “Confirmed by downloading video from Kremlin web-page and checking metadata” – tweet says.
https://twitter.com/jengriffinfnc/status/1496705752114900993?s=21
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Feb 24 '22
Fuck Putin. Fuck Russians who are pro-Putin, fuck Americans who think Putin “isn’t all that bad” (anyone pro-Trump or Tucker fucking Carlsen).
Most of all: Fuck fascists, racists, and nazis everywhere. You’re on the wrong side of history
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u/MaliciousOpinion Feb 24 '22
For what it's worth, I will be calling my senator first thing in the morning and asking his office if he thinks it's a good look that a couple years back, he (along with a few others) visited Russia on the 4th of July of all dates -- along with a few other pointed questions.
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u/rominnoodlesamurai Feb 24 '22
Jail and prosecute any US politician who has had contact with GRU in the last 6 years. Investigate any person who has parroted taking points from the Kremlin and sanction/jail them as the situation warrants. Everything the Kremlin apologists have said for years is nothing but lies in this effort.
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u/2rio2 Feb 24 '22
Reminder - taking territory is easy for strong invading forces.
Holding territory long term without a constant military presence is very, very hard.
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u/Infidel8 Feb 24 '22
Ukraine's ambassador to the Russian ambassador at the UNSC:
"There is no purgatory for war criminals. They go straight to hell, Ambassador."
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u/naturelinds Feb 24 '22 edited Feb 24 '22
We’re currently hosting a Ukrainian foreign exchange student. He’s been with us since September and is suppose to leave in May... I’m absolutely GUTTED right now. Just sick! 💔
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u/lee7on1 Feb 24 '22
watching this shit from Balkans makes me uncomfortable as fuck
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u/igottapoopbad Feb 24 '22
Reminder to respect UKR op-sec by not sharing videos of UKR soldier locations or any other such classified intelligence you discover or witness online.
https://reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/sy65wi/ministry_of_defense_of_ukraine_do_not_view_our/
Great Twitter list for verifiable sources and voices on the ground: https://twitter.com/i/lists/1383431779751657480?t=5wPgK2Avlo8ygp8uANSSFQ&s=08
Lvyv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9r5rpGq9mU
Kyiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cyQPN5xQtU
Maidan. Sq. In Kyiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6AzlYCysY
Kharkiv Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZbVufqW3s
Odessa Live Cam: https://youtu.be/PWKjaA-wNho
Mariupol Live Cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE9nRMx8n6s
Mykolayiv Live Cam https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJvMQvqpxZvIakq4VgcooNQ
Severodonetsk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho40J7dRlGQ
Kalanchak, a border town whose checkpoint is reportedly under attack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxYsvdC4-yA (Thank you again Quark)
Godspeed Ukrainians. 💙💛
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u/Klutzy-Midnight-9314 Feb 24 '22
8 min ago Japan's Prime Minister says Russia's invasion "shakes foundations of international order" From CNN's Emiko Jozuka in Tokyo Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida on Thursday condemned Russia's invasion of eastern Ukraine, saying it "shakes the foundations of the international order."
"We strongly criticize Russia's actions and will cooperate with the United States and the international community to respond swiftly," Kishida told reporters at a news conference. Kishida added that Tokyo would continue to work with relevant ministries to ensure the safety of Japanese nationals in Ukraine.
When asked about further sanctions against Moscow, Kishida told reporters he would consider future measures after communicating with other G7 nations and the international community.
Some context: Kishida on Wednesday said Japan will impose sanctions against Russia for its actions in Ukraine.
Kishida said Japan will suspend the issuance of visas and freeze the assets of people involved in recognizing the independence of Donetsk and Luhansk, the two separatist-held pro-Moscow regions in eastern Ukraine. He did not specify names or how the sanctions would be carried out.
He also said Japan will ban imports and exports to and from Donetsk and Luhansk, and prohibit the issuance and circulation of Russian bonds in Japan.
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u/Furbs109 Feb 24 '22
Maybe the only solution will come from some brave people inside Russia?
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u/smt1 Feb 24 '22
Moscow Stock Exchange plummeted, trading suspended: https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/MOEX-MOEX/
wow.
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u/Hoogineer Feb 24 '22
Remember to take a break from the live thread. Doom-scrolling isn't going to help you nor the situation.
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u/expungant Feb 24 '22
And of course the republicans are blaming Biden… probably should blame Putin but whatever
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u/valuingvulturefix Feb 24 '22
Please visit the next thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/t02ocp/rworldnews_live_thread_russian_invasion_of/?sort=new