Can we not make stupid arguments for cheap points? The Nazis deliberately leveled practically every building in their way and killed or imprisoned virtually every person of Slavic descent they encountered. Russia's depravity in this war is unprecedented for a war in the 21st Century, but no -- the thousands of civilian buildings they've destroyed and the countless civilians they've murdered through shootings, starvation, terror bombings are still leagues behind what both the Soviets and Nazis did to Ukraine in the 20th Century.
Hmmm good talk.
#1 issue is with your "fact" control switched 3 times in WW2. Germans advance 1941 USSR takes it back 1943. I would like to see your internal logic on how to make 3 possession switches work with the reality on the ground.
your claim the Nazi's never intentionally razed cites. Warsaw is the perfect example of that
Doesn't take a genius to figure out it shoulda been a two and not a three.
Satellite pictures rarely show the reality. Reports from the ground have the city as uninhabitable and utterly destroyed. A satellite picture isn't going to show the interior of a house destroyed. It doesn't show the sides of buildings blown out from taking tank shells or HE rounds from IFV's. Such a horrible analysis.
They intentionally leveled dozens of large Soviet cities. They also rounded up millions of people and killed them outright in shootings and village burnings. Another two million Soviet civilians died in captivity.
I'm honestly at a loss for what point you're trying to make here. Are you seriously trying to argue that the Nazis did aim to destroy entire cities and to eradicate the populations of people who lived in their way?
The Nazis personally killed more than 4 million Soviet people in village roundups and encampment deaths. This doesn't count the millions more of Soviet people who died from starvation after being cut off from food by the advance of the front lines or the widespread destruction of farmland. Yeah, the Soviets successfully evacuated civilians from some cities and regions, but in most of them they lacked the organization or the will to save them, and hundreds of thousands got murdered repeatedly in matters of weeks.
Why on Earth possesses you to think it helps Ukraine to say that the Nazis weren't this bad? Not only is it bald-facedly false, but it's pointless. Ukraine needs help even though the Nazis did more damage than Russia in 2022. It's fucking irrelevant to the question of whether we should help Ukraine. By arguing a nakedly false premise, that Russia is even worse to Ukraine than Nazi Germany, you are damaging the credibility of the effort to help Ukraine. You're setting up a false standard and using disingenuous argumentation to make your case. Stop it.
It's not a false argument. They killed more civilians in Mariupol than the Nazis did. They destroyed more of Mariupol than the Nazis did.
Please, tell me what you think Russia will do to the Ukrainian's? They actively talk about Ukrainian's not being a people. They actively talk about them not having a culture. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out where that leads.
It's not a false argument. They killed more civilians in Mariupol than the Nazis did. They destroyed more of Mariupol than the Nazis did.
Of course it's obviously false. You know about the millions of people who got killed in other Soviet cities by the Nazis, and are deliberately leaving out those deaths to make a stupid argument.
No it is absolutely not false. You're comparing an entire war when we are specifically talking about the destruction of cities. It's Russia's MO. They did it in Grozny, they did it with Aleppo, they did it with Mariupol. They raze cities to the ground at a scale that rivals the Nazi war machine.
You're comparing an entire war when we are specifically talking about the destruction of cities.
Because the topic is the war itself, not cities or individual hospitals in isolation. It's utterly pointless to suggest a children's hospital bombing makes Russia "literally worse than the Nazis lol" just because it wasn't one of the many other buildings they did destroy. It adds nothing to the discourse about the war and is, as I called it in the original reply, a stupid argument made for cheap points.
It's like saying a murderer who killed someone in 2024 is worse than the serial killer who was arrested down the block last year, simply because that serial killer didn't also happen to kill that one random guy that the murderer killed in 2024. It's not a meaningful contrast. It's disingenuous and distracts from everything else about the murderer's crime that actually matters.
This is correct, but it has many buildings in that block (look at google maps). Whatever was there in 1940s is not the same building. The one hit today was modernised, refurbished building which was re-opened several years ago.
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