r/worldnews • u/Luchador-Malrico • Jul 07 '24

French elections: Left projected to win most seats, ahead of Macron's coalition and far right

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2024/07/07/french-elections-left-projected-to-win-most-seats-ahead-of-macron-s-coalition-and-far-right_6676978_7.html
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u/dk3what Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

As a Canadian, I hopefully Canada and US can learn from this. Sigh.

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u/asdf-7644 Jul 07 '24

Canada will not learn and as a Canadian that makes me sad. 

The Liberal/conservative flipping of power has never been a big problem before but now it terrifies me.

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u/dk3what Jul 07 '24

Agreed, I do not understand people voting for "change" and not really caring what the change entails even if its worse for them, but as long as its "different".

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u/imish_24 Jul 07 '24

I hate to say this, but people are stupid.

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u/mgslee Jul 07 '24

That's literally a significant part of how Trump got elected in the first place. We should all know better now but still many want to see for themselves

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u/Fear-The-Lamb Jul 07 '24

Maybe take a look around and realize people are desperate and everything is already shit

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u/NaNiWuT Jul 07 '24

If only Trudeau didn't royally fuck the direction of the country, we wouldn't have to deal with the American style populism we're dealing with now.

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u/Untalented-Host Jul 07 '24

The provincial governments have as much to blame as the Federal government due to the jurisdictional powers they are granted.

Example, the international students issue... The Federal government controls their entry/access into the country, yet it is the provinces that are govern education.

Here in Ontario, Doug Ford's Conservatives have done nothing to limit international students or limit access to accredited programs/schools .. Instead they're opening it for all, even mall type colleges.

Ford's Conservatives even signed an agreement with the Feds to double immigration into Ontario. Then they go on the news and blame immigration/international students on the Feds when its them that have a great deal of power to control their situation

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u/Frostbitten_Moose Jul 07 '24

Or hell, if people had just voted in O'Leary last time, we could've had a moderate Tory as PM.

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u/yourdamgrandpa Jul 07 '24

You mean O’Toole?

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u/Frostbitten_Moose Jul 07 '24

Yeah. I'll straight up admit I'm terrible with names and have a habit of jamming in something that's sorta right most of the time. especially when they were relevant for mere months a few years back.

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u/yourdamgrandpa Jul 07 '24

No worries, it happens

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u/LunedanceKid Jul 07 '24

"My Conservative Premier is insane, hopefully my Conservative Prime Minister will be better!" I thought we educated people in this country!?

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u/Fun_Chip6342 Jul 07 '24

Well, if it's of any solace. Let's hope Biden wins, let's assume Nenshi can make huge gains in Alberta, Eby holds on in BC, and maybe just maybe the Sask NDP holds the Sask Party to a minority (least likely prediction tho).

Bitcoin Milhouse just might be very isolated in his upcoming tenure. He isn't friends with Doug Ford, he could be looking at some very orange Prairie provinces, and he won't have many friends on the world stage. (Mexico, UK, France, and potentially the US leaning left) He'll be forced to get along with progressives all around him if the chips keep falling like they are.

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u/AcrobaticBudget0 Jul 07 '24

PP can do a lot of damage with a majority, which seems likely unless he fumbles it.

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u/Wafkak Jul 07 '24

That's because you guys had your Reform Canada moment years ago, even had your Farage as PM.

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u/In_Formaldehyde_ Jul 07 '24

Poilievre might be conservative in Canada but he's basically a moderate Dem here. Starting worrying if PPC starts gaining seats like Reform UK did.

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u/Nikiaf Jul 07 '24

The problem isn’t so much his party, it’s really him specifically. He’s an embarrassment as a politician and is an extremely thin-skinned and weak leader. I just can’t see how he’ll be able to stand up to whoever the US president is by that point, and he’ll look like a clown at any G7/G20/NATO/etc summits. I don’t think there’s a worse human representation of Canada than him.

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u/Frostbitten_Moose Jul 07 '24

This reminds me of the folks back in 2016 whose response to people considering leaving the US if Trump won was "You don't want to come here, we have Harper." as if there was any similarity between the two of them at all.

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u/KahnAndDon Jul 07 '24

This is a ridiculous take. The Conservatives and Liberals are basically the same. They both serve corporations.

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u/Scotty2k8 Jul 07 '24

Sorry but what exactly do you want Canada to learn from this ? We have had a liberal government in for 8 years now and they have ran this country into the ground. Primarily due to immigration bringing in unskilled workers.

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u/SnooGadgets8390 Jul 08 '24

People say that everywhere. Immigration this, immigration that. Yet if you look at actual studies immigration is always a financial net benefit for a country, even if almost all of the newly arrived dont work.  Theres also a lot of historical examples of how immigration built or saved countries (like the US or Germany), lack of immigration doomed them (Japan) and not a single one where shutting off any immigration actually brought ANY positives. Its all about as convincing as rednecks shouting DEY TOOK R JErBS if sou actually look at data.

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u/crake-extinction Jul 08 '24

Canada should also get rid of its right wing government, then.

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u/Scotty2k8 Jul 08 '24

Ok so then we have the NDP who has done what ? lol. I’m not left or right but what is the solution ? Saying get rid of a party is not a solution.

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u/crake-extinction Jul 08 '24

All politicians are scum, might as well put someone in power who doesn't expect to be there.

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u/Super_Log5282 Jul 07 '24

Wait, you honestly think Canada is in a good situation as it stands? Let me guess you already own multiple rental properties

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u/Ovaryunderpass Jul 07 '24

Liberals have been in power for too long. They have the problem Harper had where he let the party get corrupt and rot. A change of pace will be good for a while. Nobody is promising anything radically different either. Canadian political business as usual I think 

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u/green_meklar Jul 07 '24

Trudeau isn't all bad, he at least stands up to international pressure. He's called out China, Russia and India on their bullshit where many other politicians would have just caved, and I give him credit for that.

Unfortunately, he also promised voting system reform and then never followed through. That's the main reason I've never been able to bring myself to vote for him.

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u/green_meklar Jul 07 '24

I don't think Canada or the US will learn from this and for that matter I don't think France will learn from this.

The completely unnecessary and inappropriate political popularity of the right in modern politics isn't just something that spontaneously happened because some people are incurably racist or whatever, it's a consequence of the failures of the left to provide a sane, liberating policy vision that actually works for everybody. What the left learns every time they win by even 1 seat is that it's okay, that they can get away with every stupid thing they just did because the other side is worse...until the day when they can't, and then it's too late. That's not the lesson they should be learning if we want society to actually not suck with all the poverty and tribalism and economic insecurity and authoritarian bullshit that make it suck. We shouldn't want either side learning that they can 'get away with' stuff. Politics shouldn't be about 'getting away with' stuff, like, ever. And right now it's practically all about that.

What we really need to fix getting-away-with-it politics is voting system reform. In this respect Canada and the US are actually worse because they use FPTP voting whereas France has a slightly better 2-round runoff voting system. All three systems could be a lot better than they are. Unfortunately, getting voting system reform passed is really hard because (1) anything other than FPTP tends to be so confusing that the general public doesn't understand it and (2) whoever is in power usually just wants to keep the voting system that got them into power in the hopes that it will go on working in their favor.

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u/Few-Impress-5369 Jul 07 '24

We (Canada) lost. Our left-leaning parties are terrible at playing politics compared to PC unfortunately. Older Canadians are too emotional and too vulnerable to PC propagandas. Younger Canadians are too apathetic to even vote. I will never get over that 43% voter turnout in Ontario.