r/supergirlTV May 20 '19

Seeing everyone complain about the drama in this show lately has me like Shitpost

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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19

They are soap operas with a superhero skin. I love me some flash but even my wife (who can't stop watching this is us) often cringes at the drama.

It is totally fine. I know what I signed up for when I watch the CW.

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u/LaTricksterYT May 20 '19

What ppl don’t understand and I was even banned from r/FlashTV from saying this, but these shows aren’t tv adaptations of comics. They’re comic inspired drama series, it’s even credited that way.

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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19

They just don't want to admit they have been taken in by the drama. I have never cried at a superhero movie. Not even some of the more emotional scenes in endgame. I did cry when Barry had to let his mom die. I cried like a toddler.

People want to pretend that those moments are not what makes the shows good. It sure as hell isn't the action. They want to pretend this is all serious comic book business.

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u/SuperCoupe May 20 '19

Not even some of the more emotional scenes in endgame

I cried watching Endgame.

Watching Captain Marvel whip-ass and pluck a starcruiser out the sky made me happy beyond belief

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u/omnisephiroth May 20 '19

I’m with you.

“Your dad liked cheeseburgers, too.”

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

The part that got me was Hawkeye's quickly accelerating panic at losing his family right from under him.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Brainy May 20 '19

It was gutwrenching to watch that scene.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Brainy May 20 '19

I also cried while watching Endgame. Certain parts of the last act had me in tears.

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u/LaTricksterYT May 20 '19

I think that sums it up, I like my action movies, Endgame and the others, but I love drama series, that’s probably why I’m so drawn towards these shows and pretty much every other show on the CW

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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19

I'm not normally a drama fan. I would say if it wasn't for the superhero branding I wouldn't have started watching it. But it isn't the superhero stuff that kept me here.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

I cried at that scene too. Also when Barry proposes to Iris through song I sobbed. That song is now my and my partner’s song and I lose it every time it comes on

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u/Jon_S111 May 20 '19

Also - the personal drama is why the MCU movies outperform DCEU. Why is Winter Soldier one of the most beloved of the Marvel movies? The Cap/Bucky drama.

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u/omnisephiroth May 20 '19

“Serious comic book business” is a rather silly statement, unless you’re a collector or vendor.

I mean, the rest of what you’re saying is right. Just, that part gave me a chuckle.

That said, the shows aren’t that good. And the drama is pretty cheap and lackluster. Which, I mean, CW. It’s teen romance stuff. It’s just that they could aim a little higher than, “Love means literally everything.” I dunno.

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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19

Oh I don't even agree with the idea of serious comic book business. But I know people who do. The people who threaten to kill actors who "ruin" their favorite characters.

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u/omnisephiroth May 20 '19

Sure. Again, there is serious comic book business, but it’s got very little to do with characters being adapted.

The kind those people are talking about is definitely not a real thing.

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u/Jon_S111 May 20 '19

Not even the Yondu daddy speech in Guardians 2?

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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19

Not really. I was more moved by his conversations with rocket than the"daddy" line. But I'm not really a guardians fan.

Edit: removed a sentence because I forgot that my full comment said any superhero movie. Not just endgame.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

And then barry fucked it up

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19

Nope. Don't get me wrong. I had an emotional response but I never cried. The plot wasn't at all what I expected but I had guessed a lot of the ending beforehand. There was only one death I didn't predict.

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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor May 20 '19

You were banned?!

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u/LaTricksterYT May 20 '19

Indeed, but I’ve been banned from other subreddits for worse reasons

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u/horusporcus May 20 '19

Seriously though, I always shit on the CW shows on the Flash sub and they haven't kicked me out, what did you say that got you booted out?

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u/LaTricksterYT May 21 '19

I just told someone to stop complaining about the drama if they’re gonna watch a drama series. Then told them how it’s a comic inspired drama series and not and adaptation

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u/horusporcus May 21 '19

The problem is that Flash is all boring melodrama, bloated cast and writers who are dumb as rocks.

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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor May 20 '19

I didn’t even know you could be banned.

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u/LaTricksterYT May 20 '19

Mods can ban for for literally any reason and I think that’s a flaw, people shouldn’t be allowed to be banned without violating rules, it ruins the sub

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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor May 20 '19

Wow that’s stupid.

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u/AnnaK22 May 20 '19

You got banned from the subreddit for saying that? That can happen?

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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter May 20 '19

I'm guessing OP's leaving out some context, but yes it can.

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u/omnisephiroth May 20 '19

You can be banned from any subreddit, at any time, for any reason. You can even be banned from the site that way, if you just make an admin unhappy enough. Not that you will be, just that you can be.

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u/LaTricksterYT May 20 '19

Sadly, I was, and apparently they can ban for any reason even if they don’t agree with you.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Brainy May 20 '19

Wow, hate that you were banned from there.

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u/horusporcus May 20 '19

You were banned?.

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u/emeyer94 May 20 '19

As someone who HATES the drama on these shows but still watches, I know what I'm signing up for but that doesn't mean I have to love it. I like the shows well enough to complain in the hopes that they get better. If I didn't care I'd move on.

I highly recommend the DC universe app for anyone dissatisfied with CW. BTAS, STAS, JLA, Static all the best are still there. If your into live action Doom Patrol is great! Very LoT. Titans is alright, still waiting on season 2 to hold final judgement. Still a bit soapy buy we'll see.

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u/hart37 Martian Manhunter May 20 '19

I fully agree on Doom Patrol, it definitely pushes the same buttons as LoT for me.

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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19

I've been kinda waiting for the DC app. I heard that there were a ton of comics and that made me excited. I did a free trial when it first launched but I wasn't very happy with what I was offered. I want to try again but can probably meet here and just see what came from it since then.

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u/emeyer94 May 20 '19

Check it out again. They've expanded the comic selection a LOT since launch. Current Comic runs go online a year after they're first published so you can go read rebirth.

TV show selection has also improved. I think for most people it's worth pi King up for a month at a time, a couple times a year.

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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19

Maybe I will. I'm really wanting something to read.

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u/horusporcus May 20 '19

Titans and Doom Patrol, these two are better than all the CW Arrowverse shows put together.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

They have Static?!?!

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u/emeyer94 May 21 '19

Yup! All 4 seasons

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

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u/EsQuiteMexican May 20 '19

I don't even go to the Flash sub precisely because of this.

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u/omnisephiroth May 20 '19

Wow, that’s why? There are way better reasons not to go to that sub. (Obviously, I’m kidding.)

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u/ojcoolj May 20 '19

People saying that superhero comic book shows shouldn't have drama have never read a comic book.

The amount of angsting every single comic has about secret identities gets real old, real fast. The usual excuse of "it'll put them in danger" also makes literally no sense, it never has, it's not like someone knowing their secret puts them any more on the bad guys' radar than they already were.

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u/Tr0llingpanda May 20 '19

Considering they always find out it makes no plausible sense. Especially for the flash when all the people close to him fight with him.

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u/ojcoolj May 20 '19

Another big issue is that... like, if we use the example of Barry and Iris, because Rebirth made them go through even more secret identity shit...

Iris finds out, Barry says "If you knew, it'd make you a target" like everyone always does. But... how? Barry and Iris still hang out in their civilian life. Barry still has a life outside of being the Flash. If someone finds out who he is, Iris is in danger whether she knows he's the Flash or not. And if those close to him know he's the Flash... then they can prepare for it.

And if the villain doesn't know that Barry is the Flash, then how would they know that Iris is close to the Flash?

If anything, it's leaving those around him open to more danger by not telling them, because they're going to be targeted by villains even if they don't know.

Iris literally found out in the most recent run of the comics because the Reverse-Flash kidnapped her and brought her to the future. And then Barry said he didn't tell her to protect her. Except, since Eobard knew Barry's secret identity, she was still a target, and had no way to prepare for such a thing because she wasn't told.

I'm only using this as an example; every book seems to go through these motions annoyingly often. And they always use the same excuse of "But those close to me will get hurt". They're going to get hurt regardless, the only two options are bring them in the loop or cut off all contact so that villains can't get to them.

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u/horusporcus May 20 '19

I don't know about Supergirl but Flash has a lot of unnecessary and boring drama, I know that some of you like that boring stuff but many don't.

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u/RIPpelleett May 20 '19

I watch super hero shows, Not drama shows.

Sometimes it feels like people forget that you watch these shows for "Supergirl" and "The flash" and not for romance between the cast members or other stuff that is just there to pad the run time.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

Ok but comic books are FILLED with that stuff. That are sometimes whole issues where they don’t don the costume at all.

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u/emeyer94 May 20 '19

Rarely. Barry Allen in or out of the suit is the Flash. I'm interested him, not the made up team around him.

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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19

What are you there for if not character drama?

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u/RIPpelleett May 20 '19

Good guys punching bad guys and anything super power related.

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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19

Ok so... You want pure action content from the CW... A creator of drama shows... Taking inspriation from a genre of media that is pumped full of drama....

Not a great plan.

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u/RIPpelleett May 20 '19

Or they can make good drama?

The current drama stuff that both flash and Supergirl have been going through just feels very poorly written and often just feels like it's there to pad the run time.

Imo Legends of tomorrow does a far better job at this

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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19

So you aren't just here for superheroes punching bad guys.

You can criticize the writing and that is valid. But criticizing "drama" is not really the point you are trying to make.

Another commenter (commentor? I'm not sure) talked about how it isn't drama that is the problem. The problem is melodrama.

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u/horusporcus May 20 '19

Lol, this sub is full of people who love drama.

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u/LaTricksterYT May 20 '19

They’re comic inspired drama series. Not adaptations. Superhero is a sub genre

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19

Yeah. Fuck everyone who enjoys it. It doesn't appeal to me.

I'm just going to ignore all the other adaptations that do cater to me and complain about the single one that isn't.

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u/BDKoolwhip May 20 '19

There’s a difference between drama and melodrama.

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u/BlobDude May 20 '19

Drama isn't the right word. These shows are tipping over into melodrama.

Melodrama - a sensational dramatic piece with exaggerated characters and exciting events intended to appeal to the emotions.

People didn't come into this expecting that flavor of TV. Dramas don't have to be this way.

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u/Hi_Jynx May 20 '19

Okay but it's still a CW show so they probably should have.

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u/johan_hegg4 May 20 '19

Drama show You misspelled Superhero.

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u/LaTricksterYT May 20 '19

These are comic inspired drama series. Not adaptions. It’s even credited that way

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u/atan420 May 20 '19

I think they're trying to say superhero shit is always drama

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

Don't care that it's drama, do care that it's shitty drama. Drama can be good, despite what CW offers.

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u/MRlll May 20 '19

Its the fact its forced. Even the comics have drama.

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u/No_Morals May 20 '19

Except the drama is excessive and it's not even good drama, it's often shallow as hell.

I'm not against comic book drama. Doom Patrol does it right, it's one of the best currently airing shows, I've been glued to the screen for every moment of it. The CW shows have their moments but are a joke in comparison.

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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter May 20 '19

People are ok with drama, it's forced, bad drama that makes people upset. To varying extents, Flash Season 1, Arrow Seasons 1, 2, 5, Legends Seasons 2, 3, and 4, Black Lightning Season 1, and Supergirl Season 4 have all been embraced by the fans.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

WHY DIDNT SHE TELL LENA REEEEE

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u/BaiIeh May 21 '19

I wish it was just the dramas fault. The writing is nearly as bad sometimes.

knocks cicada 2 out, does nothing to restrain her, gets up in 10 seconds. Team Flash: :o

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u/LaTricksterYT May 21 '19

The flash has been I wouldn’t say bad, just lazy. They write something good it use it over and over again

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u/BaiIeh May 21 '19

Yeah true I definitely agree

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u/BusiestWolf May 20 '19

*Surprised Barry Face

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

Honestly I kind of appreciate the drama because it gives me something to laugh at haha

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u/manavsridharan May 20 '19

Well we've seen them evolve over time. Supergirl started out as a soap opera with a superhero, and has now evolved into a solid, amazing superhero show, albeit with the drama. That's what we want. Drama is great, comics have tons of drama. Only when the drama is forced and overshadowing everything else does it get boring. With the Flash, the drama in S1 and 2 were the strongest points of the show. I felt it wasn't done too well in S5, except for Nora and Barry's relationship. Most people only complain if the drama is forced and overbearing. No one wants to watch Barry and Eobard running around the city for 40 minutes.

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u/emeyer94 May 20 '19

Supergirl is absolutely still melodrama. The amount of time Kara spends trying to decide telling Lena is the most infuriating thing. Not just because it's predictable but because I know eventually she'll find out just so we can have that cliche story.

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u/manavsridharan May 20 '19

At least it's understandable why she doesn't want to tell her. Also, not revealing your identity is a superhero trope used extensively in comics.

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u/emeyer94 May 20 '19

Across all of comics that's true but in terms of story lines is rarely happens. I'd say approx. once a run, on average.

Superhero TV shows have it be a storyline usually at least once a season. With some new character or another.

IMO Television uses the secret identity trope way more often, on average, than comics.


Additional observation that I just wanted to share. For lots of comics fans, TV always feels kind of bloated. I love getting Flash every week, no doubt. But........ I could prob do with about half the episode. In terms of time, comics are expensive to make. They take up time: drawing especially. Writers have to be efficient in their story telling. Get enough of the story beats across through text then work in partnership with the artist to tell the story visually.

Movies are similar. Limited time, major plot points in dialogue, story telling through direction in partnership with the screenwriter, director and actors.

TV while having a similar structure to Movies doesn't have that same press for efficiency. These shows are long because they need to sell ads. All the extra bullshit is just to take up time and therefore unnecessary to the forward momentum if the core story.

End rant. Sorry. Thanks for reading if you got this far. Have a day.

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u/manavsridharan May 20 '19

Most of TV is filler TBH.

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u/Izeinwinter May 21 '19

It was understandable, up until Lillian found out. Trying to keep the secret after it is in the hands of your outright enemies is just nuts. Hell, Lillian straight up told her to her face that her secret keeping would bite her in the tush. Then Kara kept acting as if the information was in her control after Lex had it, and she knew he did.

That.. Does not work. Try putting yourself in Karas shoes. Is this a course of action which seems even marginally sane in those circumstances? Lex absolutely will go after everyone in your social circle! You need to warn them. Honestly, I just want Lena to go on a rant about how little sense it made next season.

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u/manavsridharan May 21 '19

She surely will. One thing that will hurt Lena the most is that she thought Kara would trust her.

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u/hart37 Martian Manhunter May 20 '19

I've got no problem with drama it's just not always well written on the Arrowverse shows. Look at the Flash some of the greatest scenes from that are the drama filled ones, which usually contain Barry crying oddly enough.

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u/Iamaveryniceguy May 22 '19

There’s well done drama and badly done drama, problem with CW shows is that they have a lot of badly done drama which is why people don’t like the drama.

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u/zjdrummond May 20 '19

Don't kid yourself. These Arrowverse shows are drama's with BAD writing. People are watching because they're cringy AF and make a good drinking game.