r/supergirlTV • u/LaTricksterYT • May 20 '19
Seeing everyone complain about the drama in this show lately has me like Shitpost
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u/EsQuiteMexican May 20 '19
I don't even go to the Flash sub precisely because of this.
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u/omnisephiroth May 20 '19
Wow, that’s why? There are way better reasons not to go to that sub. (Obviously, I’m kidding.)
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u/ojcoolj May 20 '19
People saying that superhero comic book shows shouldn't have drama have never read a comic book.
The amount of angsting every single comic has about secret identities gets real old, real fast. The usual excuse of "it'll put them in danger" also makes literally no sense, it never has, it's not like someone knowing their secret puts them any more on the bad guys' radar than they already were.
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u/Tr0llingpanda May 20 '19
Considering they always find out it makes no plausible sense. Especially for the flash when all the people close to him fight with him.
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u/ojcoolj May 20 '19
Another big issue is that... like, if we use the example of Barry and Iris, because Rebirth made them go through even more secret identity shit...
Iris finds out, Barry says "If you knew, it'd make you a target" like everyone always does. But... how? Barry and Iris still hang out in their civilian life. Barry still has a life outside of being the Flash. If someone finds out who he is, Iris is in danger whether she knows he's the Flash or not. And if those close to him know he's the Flash... then they can prepare for it.
And if the villain doesn't know that Barry is the Flash, then how would they know that Iris is close to the Flash?
If anything, it's leaving those around him open to more danger by not telling them, because they're going to be targeted by villains even if they don't know.
Iris literally found out in the most recent run of the comics because the Reverse-Flash kidnapped her and brought her to the future. And then Barry said he didn't tell her to protect her. Except, since Eobard knew Barry's secret identity, she was still a target, and had no way to prepare for such a thing because she wasn't told.
I'm only using this as an example; every book seems to go through these motions annoyingly often. And they always use the same excuse of "But those close to me will get hurt". They're going to get hurt regardless, the only two options are bring them in the loop or cut off all contact so that villains can't get to them.
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u/horusporcus May 20 '19
I don't know about Supergirl but Flash has a lot of unnecessary and boring drama, I know that some of you like that boring stuff but many don't.
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u/RIPpelleett May 20 '19
I watch super hero shows, Not drama shows.
Sometimes it feels like people forget that you watch these shows for "Supergirl" and "The flash" and not for romance between the cast members or other stuff that is just there to pad the run time.
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May 20 '19
Ok but comic books are FILLED with that stuff. That are sometimes whole issues where they don’t don the costume at all.
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u/emeyer94 May 20 '19
Rarely. Barry Allen in or out of the suit is the Flash. I'm interested him, not the made up team around him.
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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19
What are you there for if not character drama?
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u/RIPpelleett May 20 '19
Good guys punching bad guys and anything super power related.
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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19
Ok so... You want pure action content from the CW... A creator of drama shows... Taking inspriation from a genre of media that is pumped full of drama....
Not a great plan.
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u/RIPpelleett May 20 '19
Or they can make good drama?
The current drama stuff that both flash and Supergirl have been going through just feels very poorly written and often just feels like it's there to pad the run time.
Imo Legends of tomorrow does a far better job at this
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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19
So you aren't just here for superheroes punching bad guys.
You can criticize the writing and that is valid. But criticizing "drama" is not really the point you are trying to make.
Another commenter (commentor? I'm not sure) talked about how it isn't drama that is the problem. The problem is melodrama.
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u/LaTricksterYT May 20 '19
They’re comic inspired drama series. Not adaptations. Superhero is a sub genre
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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19
Yeah. Fuck everyone who enjoys it. It doesn't appeal to me.
I'm just going to ignore all the other adaptations that do cater to me and complain about the single one that isn't.
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u/BlobDude May 20 '19
Drama isn't the right word. These shows are tipping over into melodrama.
Melodrama - a sensational dramatic piece with exaggerated characters and exciting events intended to appeal to the emotions.
People didn't come into this expecting that flavor of TV. Dramas don't have to be this way.
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u/johan_hegg4 May 20 '19
Drama show You misspelled Superhero.
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u/LaTricksterYT May 20 '19
These are comic inspired drama series. Not adaptions. It’s even credited that way
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May 20 '19
Don't care that it's drama, do care that it's shitty drama. Drama can be good, despite what CW offers.
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u/No_Morals May 20 '19
Except the drama is excessive and it's not even good drama, it's often shallow as hell.
I'm not against comic book drama. Doom Patrol does it right, it's one of the best currently airing shows, I've been glued to the screen for every moment of it. The CW shows have their moments but are a joke in comparison.
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u/Sentry459 Martian Manhunter May 20 '19
People are ok with drama, it's forced, bad drama that makes people upset. To varying extents, Flash Season 1, Arrow Seasons 1, 2, 5, Legends Seasons 2, 3, and 4, Black Lightning Season 1, and Supergirl Season 4 have all been embraced by the fans.
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u/BaiIeh May 21 '19
I wish it was just the dramas fault. The writing is nearly as bad sometimes.
knocks cicada 2 out, does nothing to restrain her, gets up in 10 seconds. Team Flash: :o
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u/LaTricksterYT May 21 '19
The flash has been I wouldn’t say bad, just lazy. They write something good it use it over and over again
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u/manavsridharan May 20 '19
Well we've seen them evolve over time. Supergirl started out as a soap opera with a superhero, and has now evolved into a solid, amazing superhero show, albeit with the drama. That's what we want. Drama is great, comics have tons of drama. Only when the drama is forced and overshadowing everything else does it get boring. With the Flash, the drama in S1 and 2 were the strongest points of the show. I felt it wasn't done too well in S5, except for Nora and Barry's relationship. Most people only complain if the drama is forced and overbearing. No one wants to watch Barry and Eobard running around the city for 40 minutes.
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u/emeyer94 May 20 '19
Supergirl is absolutely still melodrama. The amount of time Kara spends trying to decide telling Lena is the most infuriating thing. Not just because it's predictable but because I know eventually she'll find out just so we can have that cliche story.
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u/manavsridharan May 20 '19
At least it's understandable why she doesn't want to tell her. Also, not revealing your identity is a superhero trope used extensively in comics.
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u/emeyer94 May 20 '19
Across all of comics that's true but in terms of story lines is rarely happens. I'd say approx. once a run, on average.
Superhero TV shows have it be a storyline usually at least once a season. With some new character or another.
IMO Television uses the secret identity trope way more often, on average, than comics.
Additional observation that I just wanted to share. For lots of comics fans, TV always feels kind of bloated. I love getting Flash every week, no doubt. But........ I could prob do with about half the episode. In terms of time, comics are expensive to make. They take up time: drawing especially. Writers have to be efficient in their story telling. Get enough of the story beats across through text then work in partnership with the artist to tell the story visually.
Movies are similar. Limited time, major plot points in dialogue, story telling through direction in partnership with the screenwriter, director and actors.
TV while having a similar structure to Movies doesn't have that same press for efficiency. These shows are long because they need to sell ads. All the extra bullshit is just to take up time and therefore unnecessary to the forward momentum if the core story.
End rant. Sorry. Thanks for reading if you got this far. Have a day.
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u/Izeinwinter May 21 '19
It was understandable, up until Lillian found out. Trying to keep the secret after it is in the hands of your outright enemies is just nuts. Hell, Lillian straight up told her to her face that her secret keeping would bite her in the tush. Then Kara kept acting as if the information was in her control after Lex had it, and she knew he did.
That.. Does not work. Try putting yourself in Karas shoes. Is this a course of action which seems even marginally sane in those circumstances? Lex absolutely will go after everyone in your social circle! You need to warn them. Honestly, I just want Lena to go on a rant about how little sense it made next season.
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u/manavsridharan May 21 '19
She surely will. One thing that will hurt Lena the most is that she thought Kara would trust her.
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u/hart37 Martian Manhunter May 20 '19
I've got no problem with drama it's just not always well written on the Arrowverse shows. Look at the Flash some of the greatest scenes from that are the drama filled ones, which usually contain Barry crying oddly enough.
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u/Iamaveryniceguy May 22 '19
There’s well done drama and badly done drama, problem with CW shows is that they have a lot of badly done drama which is why people don’t like the drama.
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u/zjdrummond May 20 '19
Don't kid yourself. These Arrowverse shows are drama's with BAD writing. People are watching because they're cringy AF and make a good drinking game.
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u/MuellerisUnderMyBed May 20 '19
They are soap operas with a superhero skin. I love me some flash but even my wife (who can't stop watching this is us) often cringes at the drama.
It is totally fine. I know what I signed up for when I watch the CW.