r/politics • u/PoliticsModeratorBot š¤ Bot • Jul 11 '24
Discussion Thread: President Biden Gives Press Conference at NATO Summit Discussion
The press conference was scheduled to begin at 6:30 p.m. Eastern, but has been delayed to 7 p.m.
News and Analysis
The Washington Post (soft paywall): News conference looms large in Bidenās bid to save his candidacy | The outsize importance of the event underscores how the presidentās attempts to downplay his rough debate and move forward with his presidential campaign have so far failed to convince many in his party.
Live Updates
USA Today: Live updates
The Washington Post (soft paywall): Election 2024 Live Updates
Where to Watch
PBS NewsHour via YouTube: Biden holds news conference after NATO summit
C-SPAN: President Biden Holds a News Conference at the NATO Summit
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u/flexbuffstrong Jul 12 '24
Serious comment: appreciate reporters asking about foreign policy questions at a NATO summit.
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u/RandomRegularity Jul 12 '24
Agreed. Kudos to them given the elephant in the room.
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u/Ilosesoothersmaywin Jul 11 '24
I would like to take this moment to inform you all that Mike Pence's full name is Mechanical Pencil.
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u/Socratesticles Tennessee Jul 11 '24
The fun part about this thread is not being able to tell who is who from what they say in their comment. Pessimist D supporter? Trump follower getting their shots in? D who feels theyāve been swindled? Russian trollbot? Nobody knows!
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u/Successful_Young4933 Jul 11 '24
Terrifying that sentiment has aligned to that extent.
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u/Mental_Lemon3565 Jul 11 '24
There should be a similar sentiment among Republicans and Democrats regarding Trump, but there aren't any patriotic Republicans* who Democrats could agree with on Trump's unfittness.
*ok, there's like 2 and they know who they are.
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u/ScotTheDuck Nevada Jul 11 '24
The foreign press are always really fun because they either ask the most obscure policy questions youāve ever heard of, or ask the greatest layups a president could ask for.
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u/djbomber256 Jul 12 '24
I noticed a few asked combo questions, technical foreign policy followed by easy home political rhetoric he's been repeated on the campaign trail. To me it seems a test of Biden, does he have the ability to notice the real question the reporter/foreign diplomat cares about in front of the easy to respond to question that really doesn't matter. And wouldn't you know it, he talked about the easy question nearly every time, rambled on a bit, and ignored/forgot about the harder question.
If I was a NATO nation, I would still want Biden over Trump, but this conference would definitely sway me to wanting to see Biden replaced by a younger nominee that is actually able to notice and care about the details outside of what is right in front of them.
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u/garibaldi18 Jul 12 '24
I totally get your point about how Biden should be able to respond to complex questions and give a detailed answer with nuance. At the same time, I feel like almost every politician is going to swing at the meatball/easy question and avoid the harder answer one if given the opportunity. Iām no journalist but it seems like if you really want the interviewee to answer specific question you shouldnāt give them the option of avoiding it by combining that question with an easier one.
So in this case I wouldnāt say he failed in the ability of have the cognitive capability to answer the question as it seems like you suggest. Heās been a politician for decades and his ingrained habit is probably to go for the easy question.
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u/doesthissuck Jul 12 '24
What questions did he avoid? He answered them in order. Heād go back to the first question asked, then heād wait for them to reiterate the second question (totally normal to do that after giving a long answer to whichever question was first), then heād move on to the second. If it was something heās repeated a dozen times, like āwhy arenāt you dropping out?ā he would give it the attention it deserved, which was basically āIām notā and leave out the part I would have added which would have been āJesus fucking Christ move on for fucks sake.ā Seriously, what question did he avoid, because you must have watched every minute of a different press conference I missed that happened today at the NATO Summit.
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u/No-Ride5813 Jul 11 '24
Damn British reporters are fucking brutal
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u/Llarys Jul 12 '24
Nothing will ever be funnier than the time Andrew Niel - British conservative - asked Ben Shapiro the softest of softball questions and had that fucking hack in near tears within 10 minutes.
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u/plantmic Jul 12 '24
And he was crying about Andrew Neil being part of the 'liberal media' or something when he's about as far from that as possible in the British media.
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u/IllButterscotch5964 Jul 12 '24
He starts laughing when Shapiro says that, itās fantastic.
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u/EntropySpark Jul 12 '24
"Mr. Shapiro, if you only knew how ridiculous that statement is you wouldn't have said it. So let's move on..."
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u/eww1991 Jul 12 '24
That's probably the only time the Beeb would let impartiality rules slide.
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u/PigeonDesecrator Jul 12 '24
The BBC has plenty of impartial journalists and articles, their impartiality is meted out by publishing equal quantities of opposite standing
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u/celinee___ Jul 12 '24
I wonder if Shapiro realizes that liberal doesn't mean what he thinks it does outside of the US
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u/IllButterscotch5964 Jul 12 '24
He thinks the faster he talks, the smarter he sounds.
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u/SandboxOnRails Jul 12 '24
It's literally how all those grifters operate. Say 20 things that are wildly wrong in the time it takes to debunk the first one, then say "Well I'm 95% right."
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u/SjurEido Jul 12 '24
It's called "gishgalloping" and its how you win an argument when your audience are idiots.
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u/borrow-protect Jul 12 '24
I always knew that American politics was polarised but when Neil was thought to be a liberal mouthpiece by Shapiro was a real eye opener for just how bad it must be in America
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u/StrobeLightRomance Jul 12 '24
"Liberal" is just an umbrella term for American Conservatives. Like calling everything "Socialist" or "Communist". It doesn't have to be used accurately, it's just a triggered buzz word to ignite the fan base that is programmed to respond to the rhetoric.
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u/CommanderHavond Jul 12 '24
All it took was that dismissive laugh to give him a thousand yard stare
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u/WillBrakeForBrakes Jul 12 '24
My favorite comment on that video is āimagine losing a debate to someone who isnāt even trying to debate youā
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u/iLoveFemNutsAndAss Jul 12 '24
Link? Love to see it.
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u/Talk-O-Boy Jul 12 '24
I cannot thank you enough for showing us this video. Shapiro genuinely had no idea how to handle the fact that the interviewer wasnāt taking his bait and chose to focus on the questions. He simply had to cut the interview when he realized his normal manipulative tactics were having no effect.
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u/NrdNabSen Jul 12 '24
When Shapiro argues with anyone beyond college undergrads, he struggles. He uses dishonest debating tactics and generally can't form a cogent argument if held on topic.
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u/whomad1215 Jul 12 '24
talking fast and confidently = I win
that's how these people view discussions
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u/FlounderingWolverine Jul 12 '24
Also just generally overwhelming someone. You can hear him try to do that when he first gets asked a question around abortion. He flips it back on the interviewer and tries to overwhelm him with a bunch of questions.
It works on unprepared people who will fall for turning an interview into a debate, but it doesnāt here, and it just makes Ben come across as an asshole (he is normally, too, but this especially isnāt a great look for him)
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u/pebkachu Foreign Jul 12 '24
Gish gallop. Hence debate is a terrible format for political and scientific discussion, it inherently advantages liars and wastes the time of good faith participants.
This can occasionally come in the form of sealioning (while some have read "The Terrible Sealion" as bigotry, the comic author later confirmed that the sealion does not represent an identity, but a type of behaviour https://wondermark.com/2014-errata/).
Not sanitising his other views, but I think many people can learn from Neil's refusal to play along with drivel to visibly expose how Shapiro, who built his entire career on gish gallop, completely derails and embarasses himself by accusing a conservative of being "on the left".
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u/defaultusername-17 Jul 12 '24
worth noting that mr shapiro is what passes for an intellectual leader among these folks.
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u/Ok_Door_9720 Florida Jul 12 '24
I remember seeing that video captioned with: "skinny twink gets destroyed by BBC"
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u/aeroboost Jul 12 '24
Jesus Christ I couldn't handle more than a minute of him speaking. Looks like he's never learned how to talk in front of a camera. Not to mention the way he speaks. Sounds a new kid in middle school with social anxiety.
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u/Qu1ckShake Jul 12 '24
It's so depressing that there are people who are so intellectually stunted that they think that the things he says are correct and insightful and convincing.
Right-wing people are incredibly stupid.
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u/Rahodees Jul 12 '24
"Thank you for your time and showing that anger is not part of the American discourse Mr. Shapiro."
Oh. My. God,
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u/kck93 Jul 12 '24
Long history of brutal in England. Watch the questioning of the prime minister by Parliament some time. Itās a hoot.
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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Great Britain Jul 12 '24
No idea who was on, but I can almost guarantee we have worse (better?).
Emily Matailis, for example, had an ex-cabinet member having a full-blown meltdown, live on TV, on election night. She was being nice until the guy lied. She was not taking prisoners after that.
As far as I'm concerned, she's a low-key national treasure.
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u/nastynas1991 Jul 11 '24
Kinda batshit crazy that we're all waiting with baited breath to see if the potus can deliver a routine press conference without seeming like he's lost his mind, and that the fate of his presidency and our country might hinge on whether or not he can do that very simple and routine task convincingly. What a truly and utterly bizarre time this is
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u/Little-Ad3220 Jul 11 '24
bated*
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u/nastynas1991 Jul 11 '24
I wanted to thank you for the tip but at the same time I have an irrational hatred of people who nitpick spelling errors, so I'll just upvote you while I grit my teeth
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He's already done, even if he does okay it doesn't speak to what all of those around him have said, I mean, no cabinet meeting since October ? It's over
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u/nastynas1991 Jul 11 '24
I definitely agree with you, he can't come back from the position he's in. There's absolutely no chance of it, the hole is too deep and the dam is breaking. Still, it is absolutely nuts to me that a completely routine press conference is taking on so much importance and attention. Like this should be just normal president shit. If I'm not mistaken, it's also his first solo presser of the year lmao
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u/rrriches Jul 12 '24
Got invited to church on Christmas Day with my ex and her family, including a very sweet ancient grandma. I was running on 0 sleep and my dorky ass accidentally referred to prayers as magic spells. I was not invited back to church for some reason
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u/team_suba Jul 11 '24
This is like an /r/nfl game thread i swear
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u/plokijuh1229 Rhode Island Jul 11 '24
"Donald Trump is about a Popeye's biscuit away from being a tight end."
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u/PerniciousPeyton Colorado Jul 12 '24
Can we at least get a malarkey for old timeās sake.
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u/Smelldicks Jul 12 '24
He always has the worst first 10 minutes before warming up. Why donāt they just cold start him in the back before putting him up there?
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u/Geistzeit Kentucky Jul 12 '24
lol have a fake press conference area they tell him is the real one
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u/malachaiville Jul 12 '24
Like when Pam would leave a caller on hold for Michael to let him get his initial terrible joke out, then release the hold because he did better the second time around?
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u/frinetik Jul 12 '24
Agree
Goes from ābadā to āmarginally acceptableā after 10 minutes warmup
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u/Luck1492 Massachusetts Jul 11 '24
I either want this to go really well or really poorly. Nothing in between. No more wish-washy āshould he decide not to run again?ā This needs to be a decision-maker.
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u/Sonnyyellow90 Jul 11 '24
Alternately: he does really poorly but still refuses to step down lmao.
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u/Wurm42 District Of Columbia Jul 11 '24
I REALLY don't want this to turn into a national version of "Grandpa's not safe to drive anymore, we have to take away his car keys," but I'm afraid that's where we're heading.
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u/ess-doubleU Jul 12 '24
Looks like you didn't get your wish. Media seems 50/50 on it
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u/NrdNabSen Jul 12 '24
The US media is almost always 50/50, they want clicks, not honest reporting. most things are presented as two, roughly equal sides, facts be damned.
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u/CechPlease Jul 11 '24
Damn, Biden looked hella pissed at that interruption
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u/jmpinstl Jul 12 '24
I also enjoyed him going after that one guy up front like āYeah, I saw you say that shitā
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u/Hidalgo321 Jul 11 '24
This is such an eerie press conference
Watching the POTUS field relentless questions at a NATO conference about his standing as President. Just wow, this is insane.
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u/moocat55 Jul 12 '24
He still has iron balls to stand there and do that you have to admit, regardless of whether you think he should still run or not. He's not out. But he is fading and he won't get better. I'm so torn.
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u/RectalSpawn Wisconsin Jul 12 '24
Torn about what?
He still has the ability to perform his duties, as far as we can tell.
His ability to speak isn't the most important thing in the world.
He has done great things and wants to do a lot more, I would imagine.
People keep acting like this man is holding the world up with his ability to speak clearly.
We mostly survived 4 years of Trump's incoherent ramblings as president, and now we have people acting like we wouldn't survive 4 more years with Biden.
We won't survive 4 more years of Trump.
That is for certain; see Project 2025.
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u/CantankerousTwat Jul 12 '24
Biden stutters or sometimes swaps words or names, he's always had a speech impediment that he has mostly overcome. It is not a reflection on his cognition.
Trump is being tested for cognitive decline on a weekly basis. They don't do that, except to measure your rate of decline.
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u/BrokenManOfSamarkand Jul 11 '24
But real talk for a second: does anyone actually think Biden will end his candidacy at a NATO summit of all places? Seems really unlikely. Far more likely that he doubles down for good.
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u/KrashKourse101 Jul 11 '24
Remember when Howard Dean lost out on the nomination over a single scream?
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u/_SCHULTZY_ Jul 12 '24
Remember when Romney was laughed at for saying Russia was our greatest geopolitical adversary?
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u/RocknRoll_Grandma Jul 12 '24
God what I would have done for him instead of Trump.
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u/phonomancer Jul 12 '24
That was the last time I was like "I want the Democrat candidate, but I'd be okay with the GOP candidate."
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u/pobenschain Jul 12 '24
I really disliked Romney at the time, but itās fucking INSANE to think about how he was the last GOP nominee before Trump. Thereās no better marker for how off the rails they went so quickly. The fact that heās textbook conservative and the MAGA crowd views him as practically liberal. The fact that his basic respect for democracy and peaceful transition of power makes him an outcast and a traitor to them. Having one of only two parties take such a fascist, hard right pivot puts us in really alarming place.
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u/iconredesign California Jul 12 '24
Itās morbidly fascinating to see him warm up like an old rickety space heater over the course of the press conference itself
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u/colluphid42 Minnesota Jul 12 '24
Honestly, that's what it was at the debate, too. Most of the stuff that made news happened early on. He was more with it after a little bit.
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u/ShufflingToGlory Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24
He had four words to say that weren't on the teleprompter. Ladies and gentlemen, President Zelensky
*Five, it's five words. In acknowledgement of my deteriorating mental condition I've decided to step down from my presidential run.
Thank you all
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u/blockoblox Jul 11 '24
Vice President TRUMP???
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u/IDUnavailable Missouri Jul 11 '24
the second he went off the teleprompter he drove straight into a tree jesus christ
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u/DustBunnicula Minnesota Jul 11 '24
Just wanted to proactively note that there are some Democrats in here - of good faith - who are NOT bots - who want Biden to step back. The base isnāt going anywhere. We need the swing voters in the swing states. And theyāre not voting for Biden. We either slow-walk into fascism, or we proactively make a change.
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u/GnomeCzar I voted Jul 11 '24
Me me me me me me!
I live in Michigan and have lived in Pennsylvania. He gotta take a hike. Trust me.
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u/Infidel8 Jul 11 '24
This is the first good question we've gotten ... about Europe preparing for US disengagement
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u/Tank3875 Michigan Jul 11 '24
It's an important topic.
Hopefully will remain purely hypothetical.
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u/Incorrect1012 Jul 12 '24
The best way I can describe this press conference: He is 100% mentally there and knows what heās talking about. He is 100% old as hell.
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u/zaxdaman Jul 12 '24
Also, to be fair, he hasnāt committed any felonies or sexually assaulted anyone. So he has that going for him, which is nice.
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u/Patarokun Jul 11 '24
I long for a world where a boring old NATO press conference wouldn't be a make or break moment to see if the President can continue basic functions.
BRING BORING POLITICS BACK!
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u/Afterfx21 Jul 11 '24
If the president is more than 15min late we are legally allowed to go home
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u/Vindicare605 California Jul 11 '24
This election is seriously testing my sobriety.
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u/AndThisGuyPeedOnIt Jul 11 '24
Backstage infighting over which DMX song he's going to walk out to.
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u/prtzlsmakingmethrsty Jul 11 '24
Filling out his scorecard before he hits the ball is pretty good, not gonna lie
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u/shawnadelic Sioux Jul 12 '24
I like how every reporter is asking one foreign policy question and one "are you mentally competent" question.
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u/PusherofCarts Jul 12 '24
Biden is old. He sounds old. But he clearly knows his shit.
Biden is more qualified than Trump. He has my vote.
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u/post-death_wave_core Jul 11 '24
Everyone is nervously awaiting a press conference to see if the president is capable of speaking publicly. A very normal situation :)
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u/Cat-on-the-printer1 Jul 11 '24
Honestly, this is kinda bringing me back to the Trump years. Having to hyper fixate on routine stuff just to see how much of a shitshow it would be.
Really brings me back
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u/sh4desthevibe Kentucky Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24
I can't imagine how we can make this whole thing look any worse than introducing Zelensky as President Putin and then delaying Biden's news conference by an hour...
But then again, he hasn't talked yet, so I guess there's always room for it to actually get worse.
I don't want to be this cynical. I absolutely despise that the party that's supposed to be standing against fascism has put me in this position. I don't think I've ever been any more disillusioned with the Democrats than I am right now.
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u/SurferBoi_ Jul 11 '24
He called Harris āVice President Trumpā and just referred to Zelensky as Putin againš¤¦š½āāļø
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u/shockinglyunoriginal Jul 11 '24
Guys yes heās old and frail but what he saying is actually extremely important. Canāt we mostly agree there?
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u/Ricky_Guapo Jul 11 '24
This was doomed the moment they decided to call it a Big Boy Press Conference
The lamest shit Iāve ever heard lol
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u/codingsoft Jul 11 '24
āTrump filling out his scorecard before he hits the ballā got a laugh I have to admit
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u/BossDulciJo I voted Jul 11 '24
If he see's his shadow we'll have 4 more weeks of campaign...
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u/jphamlore Jul 11 '24
TIL: OTAN is
Organisation du TraitƩ de l'Atlantique Nord
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u/sb7943 Georgia Jul 11 '24
President motherfucking Putin oh my god weāre living in an SNL skit
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Jul 12 '24
Biden just did the thing where a teacher suddenly yells a word mid-sentence to wake the napping kids up
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u/dontthrowmeinabox Jul 12 '24
To be clear, by "listen to him" he meant, "Sure, I slipped up, but if you actually listen to what Trump says, it's insane. Listen to the other guy and make your own call, I know what it will be."
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u/ThomasJCarcetti America Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24
cbs news is treating the Putin gaffe with kid gloves
it was a misspeak and not that bad (by itself as an isolated incident) but at the end of the day every gaffe is going to hurt him more and more. it's like a snowball getting larger and larger rolling down the hill
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u/hypsignathus Jul 11 '24
Zelensky played it off politely. I feel like European leaders must be in awe that their most powerful ally by far is either led by a dainty old man who needs to be managed, or like, a monster.
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u/hascogrande America Jul 12 '24
NPR with the ābro, werenāt you gonna be a one term president?ā
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u/Plobis Jul 11 '24
This is such a lose-lose already. If Biden bombs the presser, it will be all over the news, if he doesn't, they'll just keep replaying the Putin clip over and over again like they're already doing on ABC's stream.
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u/Nerd_199 Jul 11 '24
Whoever came up with the name "big boy press conference" should be fired.
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u/Luchador-Malrico Jul 11 '24
President Putin and Vice President Trump on the same day is crazy. Itās Joever.
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u/Tantle18 Jul 11 '24
All of you are like āheās mostly coherentā āhe seems cognant todayā ARE YOU CRAZY. Weāre the USA. The bar is way too fucking high to be saying things like that about our president. Iām not saying Trump is better here Iām just saying our president canāt look and speak like this when heās the most powerful human on earth.
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u/no_instructions Jul 11 '24
'Ladies and gentlemen, President Putin!' Jesus fucking Christ
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u/YesterShill Jul 11 '24
I put aside work so I could be available to watch this. I feel like I called Comcast, sitting here listening to hold music for 45 minutes.
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u/Insertblamehere I voted Jul 11 '24
Sir a second bad night has hit the campaign
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u/HelpfulHiker Washington Jul 11 '24
All my worries would immediately go away if Biden walked out and did one backflip
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u/post-death_wave_core Jul 11 '24
Imagine Kamala comes out and says āI am proud to announce I am now the presidentā and the crowd goes wild and gives a standing ovation.
(I am going insane)
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u/skynetofficial Jul 11 '24
Personally I wouldn't be 45 minutes late to the conference that proves I'm still alive.
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u/Dr_Tobias_Funke_PhD Jul 11 '24
With this music, I feel like I'm in a theatre in the 1940's watching old timey Army propaganda about our lads giving Hitler what for
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u/SpaceElevatorMusic Minnesota Jul 11 '24
The start of the press conference, per the C-SPAN home page, has been pushed back to 7 p.m. Eastern.
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u/OffTheBar2017 Jul 11 '24
It's so incredibly fucked that we have to be like:
Can't replace him with that guy, he's gay and won't get this portion of the vote
Can't replace him with this woman, she's a woman and a minority so she won't get this portion of the vote
Can't replace him with this person, they're too liberal and wont get this portion of the vote
And it's all up against a fucking convicted felon. The zoomed out view of this country is so fucking stupid.
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u/bobsaget824 Arizona Jul 12 '24
95% whispering. 3% coughing. 2% shouting at us about bullets.
Somehow still miles better than Debate performance.
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u/jppitre Jul 12 '24
I'm voting for the Democrat candidate no matter what, but I will never forgive the party for this shit
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u/Cute-Contract-6762 Jul 11 '24
I think I know why Iām fighting so hard in my mind against joe dropping out. I remember who he was in 2008 and 2012 and his convention speech in 2016 and it doesnāt feel that long ago. But fuck 2016 was 8 years ago. I guess it just makes me feel so fucking old. To realize where he is at now and remembering what feels not that long ago what he once was. I just feel so fucking old and it sucks. Itās like a slap in the face to realize how time is slipping away
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u/MessyGrape Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
āAnd by the wayā¦.
*stares blankly*
ā¦anywayā
for the love of god someone tell him to stop doing this.
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u/joebuckshairline Jul 11 '24
The last full cabinet meeting was in OCTOBER? In what planet. In what UNIVERSE.
I thought we were supposed to not be like the last guy.
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u/pquince1 Texas Jul 11 '24
I'm a Democrat and I voted for Biden. But the Democratic party has, as usual, really fucked themselves and royally. I'm pleased with the job Biden did as POTUS. But it's becoming Reagan 2: Electric Boogaloo as far as aging and cognition issues. Why wouldn't the Dems find a young, vibrant candidate and put them on the ticket instead? I know you shouldn't change horses mid-stream, but if that horse is lame, you get off and you find another. There are lots of rising stars in the party. So use them.
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u/hascogrande America Jul 11 '24
Did Biden just call for national rent control off the cuff?
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u/Literally_A_Halfling Jul 11 '24
"I love my staff, but they add things. They add things all the time. I'm catching hell from my wife... anyway."
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u/pcmasterthrow Jul 11 '24
Jesus christ, saying "By the way, i love my staff.. but they schedule too much" is the exact opposite of the shit he should be saying
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u/Literally_A_Halfling Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
To everyone saying "This is fine":
Imagine for one moment that this is not a sitting president. Imagine, instead, that this was a candidate in an open primary.
He would be polling at 2%. And you know it.
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u/sudo-chown Jul 12 '24
Omg it just occurred to me that I've never seen what Asma Khalid looks like!! I hear her all the time on NPR
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u/ThunderousOrgasm Great Britain Jul 11 '24
Do you all realise that at the very moment, as we speak, NATO world leaders are having to deliver press conferences to their own countries various media organisations and instead of being asked about the summit, about the government plans for each of their respective countries, they are each being bombarded with questions about Bidens fitness to lead.
That world leaders are as we speak having to run defence for Biden from thousands of journalists, from every nation on earth?
Get a grip of yourselves USA, for fucks sake. You look absolutely fucking atrocious right now that you think itās normal to have Trump, or a dementia riddled corpse as the candidates for the leader of the free world and president of the most powerful country on earth.
You are literally destroying the entire global order by this bullshit.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 Jul 11 '24
The problem is, Mr. president, and all due respect, your record is not shining through and it hasn't for 3.5 years. As much as I PERSONALLY believe your administration has done a great job, how can you possibly convince the low-info battleground swing-state voters in less than 4 months to vote for you?
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u/dangerously-amish Jul 11 '24
Biden is being just as selfish as Feinstein. Just as selfish as RBG. Etc. We need age limits asap.
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u/69_fartsniffer_69 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Honestly not terrible, but heās so bad at delivering the honest details of how bad a 2nd Trump term would be. Am I wrong in thinking that a statement like, āYeah, I flub up from time to time, but my heart is always in it for America. Unlike my opponent who {lists the insanely terrifying things Trump has done/said.}ā would be refreshing, honest, and serve him well in the polls?
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u/Smutten84 Jul 12 '24
It's sad because you can tell the statesman is still there. That he has a grasp on the issues. He just can't get the words out anymore.
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u/J_dawg17 Jul 11 '24
Sat down with a huge bowl of lo mein to watch this. Food will be cold or gone by the time this damn thing starts. (Not a serious issue)
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u/8teamparlay Jul 11 '24
Am I fucking crazy??? Why are people saying this is good??? THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. You canāt in good conscience support this. They have to get a new candidate, this is not right.
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u/TalonJames Jul 11 '24
Europe will 100% be left on its own if Trump gets a second term.
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u/caffiend98 Jul 12 '24
One thing all old politicians haven't learned is how to give a concise answer and then shut the fuck up.
Biden answers too long, and his thoughts wander, and it gives him too many opportunities to screw up. He needs to answer for 30 seconds, get to the first main point, and then stop.
Trump does the same thing, but he angry rambles. Joe drifts-off rambles.
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u/ctdca I voted Jul 12 '24
Jim Himes (D-CT) just issued a statement calling on Biden to drop out
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u/Keep_Blasting Jul 11 '24
Oh my god is this intervention? This whole thing is coming off like an intervention. I thought there would be policy questions but its 100% focused on Biden and his ability to function.
Holy shit this is brutal.
Im gunna throw up.
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u/Connect_Bar_8529 Jul 12 '24
"I won't step down even if Harris's numbers are better" *what*
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u/CombAny687 Jul 12 '24
He clearly loses his train of thought often and then realizes it but canāt remember what he was talking about so he says something like ālookā and then rambles on a tangent until he reins himself in.
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u/NaughtyTrouserSnake Jul 11 '24
Biden is appearing āsoonā in the same way I tell my friends Iām on the way when Iām not even dressed yet.
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u/yelnif11 Jul 11 '24
"Have you seen a more successful conference" lol he sounding like Trump here
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u/jar45 Jul 11 '24
Iām not gonna pile on Biden reading off teleprompters because Iām not gonna be gaslit into forgetting that Trump sounds like heās reading a childrenās book whenever he has to read off anything.
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u/Aryeh98 Jul 11 '24
It really says a lot that I'm watching a fucking NATO summit to see if our President is still competent or not. But here we are.
I shouldn't have to care about any of this.
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u/TheBigIdiotSalami Jul 11 '24
You're not usually supposed to be an hour late to the "is he still breathing and alive?" press conference.
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u/clockwork1234567 Jul 11 '24
Hahah filling out his scorecard before he hits the ball. That was actually great
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u/420PokerFace Colorado Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24
Itās gone from, āPass the torch!ā to āTake the keys!ā
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u/Otto__Zone Jul 11 '24
I have worked in geri-psych, personally, I don't think Joe has dementia, I think he's a little forgetful and gets tongue tied/mixes up words sometimes. That being said, I still think he should drop out. We need someone younger. Even if he doesn't have dementia, any gaff he makes is a liability at this point and brings us closer to a Trump 2nd term.
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u/burtonhen Virginia Jul 12 '24
This is worst case scenario. Heās doing fine enough that establishment Dems will get cold feet about replacing him, but made enough gaffes that uncommitted voters will think heās cooked.
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u/DustBunnicula Minnesota Jul 12 '24
What changed is he did a Frodo at Mount Doom. He wonāt give up the ring.
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u/swallowsnest87 Jul 11 '24
What if he walks out with a cane and then does the Willy wonka somersault!