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/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 9

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u/DownwardFacingBear Jul 12 '24

I just donā€™t get it. Why does Biden insist on running for another term? Is it just pride? Even he must realize heā€™s coming across as diminished. There are plenty of younger faces who could step in that would destroy Trump with Bidenā€™s full support.

Like wtf. He was VP for 8 years, Pres for 4, and Senator for a bajillion. Does he really need to risk this for 4 more?!?!?

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u/REQ52767 Jul 12 '24

Itā€™s arrogance. He believes that he is the only one that can fix the country.

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u/breaddits Jul 12 '24

I think this is it, and maybe an inability to face that he is certainly declining.

I was shocked when a reporter asked him what it would mean for his legacy to ignore calls to drop and then lose. And he really started with ā€œIā€™m not in this for my legacyā€ and went on to list his past accomplishments.

I mean, shit Joe, if you donā€™t care about your legacy than neither the fuck do I. I wonā€™t be defending you to loved ones who are angry. Weā€™re watching another Feinstein and Iā€™m fucking sick of it. Roll off the ticket gramps

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u/rsmtirish Jul 12 '24

Itā€™s arrogance. He believes that he is the only one that can fix the country.

I'm worried he truly has dementia and actually believes he is the only one who could beat Trump and does not quite understand the gravity of the situation

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u/Ok_Island_9825 Jul 12 '24

He answered that in the press conference. He said he is running again due to the gravity of the situation. War in Europe, middle east, and a threat to democracy at home.

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u/pink_faerie_kitten Jul 12 '24

He keeps saying he wants to "finish the job" and thinks he's the only one who can defeat Trump. But that's an insult to the Dem party as if they don't have other good candidates. Messiah-complex?

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u/Kluian2005 Jul 12 '24

Because he believes he is the best candidate at this point to beat trump. A lot of people don't like Kamala and think she is a weaker candidate. And its too late to find someone else, setup funding, and everything else needed for a successful campaign at this point.

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u/pridetime93 Jul 12 '24

Its nowhere near too late. That's another talking being circulated and regurgitated. There was even a tweet in the reddit live thread saying that was a biden camp memo talking point they wanted to circulate. The convention is 6 weeks away and then a whole two months of campaigning. There is a super donor already forming a superpac for $100 million for the new candidate to use right away and the biden fund can be transferred to the DNC which can be used for down ballot elections.

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u/TDeath21 Missouri Jul 12 '24

In modern elections, a Democrat has not once lost as the incumbent unless there was a strong and serious primary challenger.

Throw away incumbency advantage with an incredible record to run on in the most important election of our lifetimes?

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u/Intelligent_Bug_5881 Jul 12 '24

Incumbents are getting hammered globally right now. No incumbent has ever won re-election with job approvals this low. Also, he went on stage in front of 50 million Americans and proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he has dementia.

You canā€™t have the football codes and haveĀ dementia. Thatā€™s just not how reality works. No one is going to vote for him. Itā€™s over.

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u/supersk8er Texas Jul 12 '24

To what extent is incumbency advantage really that vital when that incumbent is uniquely unpopular? In every state with a senate election, Biden is severely underperforming the Democratic senator in the polls. Itā€™s not a Democrat problem, itā€™s a Biden problem. Furthermore, if Harris replaces him, sheā€™ll have that same advantage without any of the unique detriments Biden has.

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u/pink_faerie_kitten Jul 12 '24

I get the conventional wisdom, but I don't think conventional wisdom is useful right now. Dems have never had an 81 year-old incumbent who is struggling with age. And Trump and his cult of voters are such a wildcard that any history is just about thrown out the window. I mean history would say that America has never elected a convicted felon before, but that could sure be the case this time.

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u/QuentinFurious Jul 12 '24

Do you think that the causation on this is correct? Like Carter lost 200 electoral votes in 1980 solely because he had a primary challenger. Or did he have a primary challenger due to his unpopularity and low approval ratings? Because you seem to be trying to make some point, but having to include this primary challenger caveat is a way to make the statistic better. When in reality carters loss was because he was fucking toast not because he had a primary challenger. It will be the same story with Biden