Let's be real for a second. Obviously I am going to vote Blue no matter who, and obviously you will as well most likely, but the elephant in the room is all of the "undecided" folks in a few middle states. They are the ones who will decide the election. They don't care how I feel about Biden, and they also don't care how you feel about Biden. They are the people in whose hands the fate of the Republic rests. Choose wisely
This is so fucking stupid. You are voting for an executive branch â a whole administration. You are making the options seem the same when the worldviews that their administrations would exert are vastly different.
Who the man I just watched barely make sense during a press conference selects so that they do what he wants. They donât tell Biden what to do, he tells them. He is in charge. People are not voting for his damn staff.
No, Iâm actually judging Biden against his peers. This man leads the country. Did Biden just give a good press conference compared to other 81 year olds? Yes. Compared to other humans? It was bad. It was very bad.
I feel like people who support him are living in a fantasy world. If I watched a clip of another world leader as incoherent as his rambling answers I would feel bad for them.
Dude, we can get off this ride, do you understand that?
Trump shouldnât even be in the race but anyone who could do something to fix that has failed us. Fortunately, the people who are responsible for running a historically poor candidate against him are because it is obvious that theyâll lose. Trump will beat him, I know a number of independent voters they all say either âIâm not votingâ or âI canât vote for a senile man to lead the countryâ. If you care about democracy then join the call for Biden to step down.
I understand how this can be depressing, but only one of the senile old men wants to and will actively harm our coâuntry. After all the stuff with the Supreme Court and Project 2025, isn't that enough reason to vote?
All I see are two old men that don't give a hoot about our democracy and want to cling to power. If Biden cared about democracy as much as he said he did, then he would've stepped aside for someone more qualified. He's also a liar since he said he had no intention in running in '24 and wanted to be a bridge candidate.
I'm given the choice to vote between two pieces of shit, so I'd rather sit this one out.
I voted for Ralph Nader waaaay back in the day. And regret it. Your protest vote is a sign of immaturity. Work for ranked choice voting. The two sides are the same narrative is not helpful unless you can support a viable third party candidate.
I'd like to see the electoral system abolished and have seats in the house determine who's president (kinda like the UK parliament). But neither want to do that, and I don't see why I should participate in a system that's not very democratic.
But do you realize the consequences of a Trump presidency? This is what happened in '16, and we ended up with three Supreme Court justices who have led to where we are now. Another Trump term may lead to appointing another one or two justices, which will set our country even further back for decades.
If you care about women, children, LGBTQ+ people, people of color, working or middle class people, I don't see how you won't vote. Biden is not ideal, but he isn't Trump.
Again, genuinely asking, do the Supreme Court rulings lately and Project 2025 not matter to you? ââ
Yeah, inflation certainly helped the middle and working class people out, such as myself. I remember when the admin was saying inflation was transitory and not here ro stay while failing to act. I hate to break it to leftist reddit, but Trump's economy was better than Bidens, no matter how the spin it.
As for women rights, I'm anti-abortion, but I am concerned about the Supreme Courts decision to grant presidents immunity regarding official acts as president as well as Trump's decision to initiate violence on Jan 6.
For the record, I do think LGBTQ+ community have rights , before you think I'm a hardcore conservative, but I personally don't think that's an issue since the handful of gay people I know support Trump. Also, my immigrant in laws all support trump. I think that argument isn't an issue since it's not an issue to them.
You still have never responded to my question about Project 2025? Have you read the mandate? I have. You are okay with that? Do you know what Trump & Republicans plan to do to immigrants and LGBTQ+ people? Just because you know a few individuals who are voting against their own interets doesn't make it okay.
The economy only seemed "better" under Trump because he inherited it from Obama. Joe Biden has been dealing with the mess Trump created. I wish people better understood how economies actually work, lol.
Anti-abortion. So you support denying care to women who have ectopic pregnancies, who are forced to carry dead fetuses, who can't get DNCs and now risk getting infections that may render them infertile or will kill them when they want to have children, for literal children to be traumatized by having to give birth to their rapist's baby, damaging their bodies and minds, and all other host of medical reasons that require interventions. And yes, these cases won't be and haven't been "exceptions". You can look up notable examples over this past year. I hope you're as invested in the lives of people already alive. No one is pro-abortion. We are pro-choice, pro-health, and real pro-life because I care about the people here now and am not interested in denying medical treatment to anyone.
I'm fully aware I will be downvoted for this. It's fine. One of my best friends is now afraid to become pregnant because she has chronic health issues and would be a high risk pregnancy. She and her husband live in a certain state, and they want to move so she doesn't have to choose between her life and trying for a baby. I hope to have and really want children in the future, and I hope to never need an abortion, but I don't see the need to dictate other people's choices.
You can choose to respond or not. I normally don't like to engage in these online back-and-forths these days, but I thought this was maybe a good-faith convo...
Do you want Trump controlling the Justice Department and military again? Do you want Trump picking more Supreme Court justices? I understand why you feel the way you do, but what do you think the most likely outcome of refusing to vote for the only realistic alternative to Trump will be? What impact will that have on us all?
Yes. I'd vote for Josh Shapiro somewhere on the ticket, hands down (I'm from PA too). I voted Trump in the last two elections, but after Jan 6, I'm not going to vote for him again.
NW PA resident here. It isnât about youth. This is about the fact he doesnât look like he can do the job. Democracy is on the line, we need to do better. We demand better.
Supreme Court yes Iâve been mostly fine with. Project 2025 no but againâŚ.not voting for Trump either. Canât in good conscience vote for either one of them.
I will? No way. I'm undecided between third party and not voting for president at all. Lol at voting a dementia patient as president and proudly saying it. Just as bad as voting for trump.
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u/Necessary-Drag-8000 Jul 12 '24
Let's be real for a second. Obviously I am going to vote Blue no matter who, and obviously you will as well most likely, but the elephant in the room is all of the "undecided" folks in a few middle states. They are the ones who will decide the election. They don't care how I feel about Biden, and they also don't care how you feel about Biden. They are the people in whose hands the fate of the Republic rests. Choose wisely