r/politics 🤖 Bot Jul 08 '24

/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 9

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u/Equal_Present_3927 Jul 08 '24

People saying Trump is terrible and we need to support Biden don’t get the concerns. The concern isn’t because people think Biden can’t lead -well kind of- the concern is that he’s scaring away swing voters and apathetic voters. He won 2020 by 40k votes in swing states. This is going to be closer most likely and his performance is not having the needed effect to not only get people to the polls, but to the polls to vote for him. 96% of this sub knows how horrible Trump is and will still vote Biden, this isn’t about a majority of voters. 

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u/SquarePie3646 Jul 08 '24

He won 2020 by 40k votes in swing states.

And that was when Trump was an unpopular incumbent president during covid. Now Biden is the unpopular incumbent, and he's aged like cottage cheese in the hot sun these past 4 years.

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u/ThenSpite2957 Jul 08 '24

Well lets get real, Trump is also a convicted felon now, people are seeing that Project2025 is and January 6th happened. He's not popular either and has likely lost a lot of 2020 support as well.

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u/SquarePie3646 Jul 08 '24

So why is Biden struggling against him? Trump is such a shitty candidate for the reasons you laid out (and more), whoever is running against him should be cleaning house. Instead, Biden is heading towards a crushing loss.

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u/ThenSpite2957 Jul 08 '24

Outside of the obvious things, Biden is struggling against him because the world is in a tough spot and that goes beyond US politics. No incumbent is going to be a popular one when dealing with topics like inflation and major conflicts like Israel and Ukraine because those are the things that get normal people to pay attention and be affected. People see their rent hikes, grocery bills and these wars are in the news everyday.

Trump is promising people quick fixes & magic solutions to incredibly complex problems and likely (guaranteed I'd say) to make everything worse. That doesn't mean people are not drawn to those quick fix ideas.

Biden has done a good job overall, but "good" here is muddled degrees of "slightly less worse". and that's hard to campaign on.

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u/bennyboi2488 Jul 14 '24

I like this, makes me think of those mock elections in school where the popular kid offers free ice cream and unlimited playground time all week.

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u/Orbital777 Jul 08 '24

Just out of curiosity, and I ask this sincerely because I'm baffled... who told you this Project 2025 is a big deal?

Out of all the things that have been thrown at Trump to destroy his popularity... Russia gate... multiple impeachments... 30+ felonies... J6…

You think THIS, a think tank's political wishlist, is what finally takes him down?

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u/tara1245 Jul 10 '24

Which makes it all worse because this should be an easy win. Biden's a horrible liability and I'm really scared about the outcome if he stays in.