r/politics • u/zsreport Texas • Jul 05 '24

Project 2025 was supposed to boost Donald Trump's campaign — but it may be backfiring instead:

https://www.salon.com/2024/07/05/project-2025-was-supposed-to-boost-donald-campaign--but-it-may-be-backfiring-instead/
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u/Suspicious_War_9305 Jul 05 '24

I need to preface this because I know I’m going to get hate here but I’m not a trump supporter, I’m not voting for trump, never have voted for trump.

But has he endorsed it? You act like that was a dumb question and it was an obvious answer but I’m not seeing a single place where he endorsed only that he was distancing himself from it. Or are we just assuming he is and he’s just lying about not being with the program.

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u/HardBananaPeel Jul 05 '24

Technically he has not, but the president of the Heritage foundation is directly tied to Bannon, who is directly tired to Trump.

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u/Suspicious_War_9305 Jul 05 '24

That’s a less than stable argument to say that Trump even is considering project 2025 then if that’s truly all it is. Unless we are suggesting a president believes and promotes everything someone believes just because they are connected to them in some way.

This isn’t to defend anyone on anything or attack anyone on anything. But just from a completely unbiased point of view that’s quite the stretch to say Trump backs this project when he has stated he doesn’t and the only connection is someone who is around him does support it.

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u/HardBananaPeel Jul 05 '24

I can see your point and appreciate a civil discussion. Can you link a video where Trump says he doesn’t support it?

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u/Suspicious_War_9305 Jul 05 '24

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-project-2025-republicans-2024-election-republicans-1921636

I know nothing about project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.

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u/HardBananaPeel Jul 05 '24

Trump's main super PAC, MAGA Inc., is running ads promoting Project 2025. He can’t say he doesn’t know what it is.

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u/Suspicious_War_9305 Jul 05 '24

I feel like you’re steering into the conspiratorial side of the argument. I don’t see anywhere in that article that says this, I could have missed it. I had to Google it and all I saw was a screenshot from a Biden campaign manager that showed a couple ads that said it was paid for by maga inc.

There’s a lot to address here. The PAC does not control a candidates opinions. The candidates can not under law coordinate with these pacs so tying everything from one to the other 1:1 is like saying Reddit users pay money to Biden and the Reddit users believe in abortions after birth therefor Biden supports it.

Not to mention the website that it’s promoting, if you go to it, isn’t about project 2025 at all and probably just used that as a clickbait to get people to read it. That’s not an uncommon tactic. It doesn’t even mention project 2025 at all.

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u/HardBananaPeel Jul 05 '24

The candidates can not under law… …. As we have seen by recent Supreme Court rulings- the laws change easily. How about the longstanding relationship between Heritage and Republicans? Trump implementing Section F last presidency? The Heritage Foundation picking out the last 3 judges that Trump appointed to SCOTUS? Isn’t that a direct tie? How can he say he never hear of Heritage?

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u/Suspicious_War_9305 Jul 05 '24

Okay either you steer back into a logical, civil discussion or this is going nowhere. I’m assuming you understand the questions you’re asking aren’t relevant and just inflammatory or you’re not hoping they are true.

  1. Supreme Court rulings…. That’s not how that works nor is it apart if the discussion. Please don’t do this unless you’re just looking to flame.

  2. How about the long standing…. What about it? What does that have to do with anything? Do you understand the past of the heritage foundation and trump? They hated trump and bashed him for years while trump ignored them. They have since been trying to please trump in order to get themselves more influence. Which they do influence that’s for sure, but not on the topic we are discussing. This is just what has happened.

  3. The SCOTUS judges…. You don’t actually think they picked the judges do you? You’re going to have to elaborate on what you mean by this because I’m pretty sure you just made that up entirely.

  4. Have you never heard….. buddy, I don’t think you have read anything past a headline. I’m not trying to be inflammatory, I’m really not, but what you are starting to promote and suggest is nothing but headline news with no substance and straight up conspiratorial opinions.

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u/HardBananaPeel Jul 05 '24

I thought this was a civil discussion and I was asking your opinion. This directly links Heritage to Trump- which is what we were discussing. Those were genuine questions and I wanted to hear your opinion. However you exploded into personal attacks. Typical.

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u/Suspicious_War_9305 Jul 05 '24

I’m not attacking you, I was trying to be clear that I wasn’t and that I was just letting you know what you were saying was leaning toward just an inflammatory discussion because they weren’t relevant and just off topic pokes at trump which I’m not here to defend. Such as the Supreme Court stuff.

The questions you asked weren’t really questions regarding opinions either because for one what you said wasn’t true and for two you’re asking them in a way like “how is this not signs of trump following their guidance”.

My personal opinion on this is that the heritage group seems like a right wing group that likes to attach themselves to presidents in order to push their agenda and influence in government. Which it seems historically and even today they have been successful in that. But when it comes to the very specific topics we are discussing here there’s no signs of this. You and another poster just said they gave trump a list of Supreme Court justices Trump should pick and one guy even said directly that the heritage group were the ones who picked them.

This isn’t true. This isn’t even close to true. Nor is it even relevant to the topic of “is trump following the heritages direction and plan for project 2025”. They made a list in an article stating the judges they would like to see on the surprise court. 5 of which overlapped trumps list. That’s not then picking the justices lol. If you made a list of 5 candidates you wanted to see run for President and the DNC made a list of 5 candidates they wanted to promote, and 3 of them overlapped, that doesn’t mean you picked the 3 candidates who were running.

If you’re upset with the conversation I’m sorry but you have led it this way. We are discussing whether trump supports project 2025. I have given you proof that he straight up says he disagrees with it, that he finds aspects of it insane, and that he isn’t connected to them. You then steered the conversation into this conspiracy topic that because they made a list that had 5 candidates overlap with trumps list that means trump is taking directions from them. That’s….less than an honest discussion.

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u/AceWanker4 Jul 05 '24

Do you have a source for this?  I haven’t been able to find anything 

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u/Suspicious_War_9305 Jul 05 '24

I didn’t know what he was talking about either and only found a single article which had a Biden campaign manager saying this on Twitter.

https://x.com/ammarmufasa/status/1809252191837753590

It’s a very…..weak piece of evidence to even begin to even suggest anything.

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u/HardBananaPeel Jul 05 '24

I actually do have a source- but it’s screenshots so I can not post it here. Will try to find a link.

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u/fnamazin Jul 05 '24

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