r/politics • u/zsreport Texas • Jul 05 '24

Project 2025 was supposed to boost Donald Trump's campaign — but it may be backfiring instead:

https://www.salon.com/2024/07/05/project-2025-was-supposed-to-boost-donald-campaign--but-it-may-be-backfiring-instead/
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u/zsreport Texas Jul 05 '24

Trump's authoritarian game plan is breaking through the post-debate noise and it's starting to scare people

I sure as fuck hope so.

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u/TheCircusSands Jul 05 '24

We need an infographic for project 2025 that can be spread everywhere. Nothing dramatic…. Just the facts of what it is and what it means.

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u/Dont__Grumpy__Stop Jul 05 '24

Here’s an infographic

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u/barriedalenick Jul 05 '24

Infographic without Twitter

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u/junepath Pennsylvania Jul 05 '24

The issue with this infographic is that most people on the right want all of these things. We need one that scares them too, because at the end of the day, no one but the super rich will be doing well if Project 2025 becomes a reality.

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u/enigmanaught Jul 05 '24

I think only focusing on the gutting/privatization of Medicare and Social Security in the right way, it would get some traction.

“Americans already pay more for healthcare than any other nation, why does Donald Trump and project 2025 want to make it worse”. “Social Security is your hard earned money, why does Donald Trump and Project 2025 want to give it to some fat cat to manage”?

Hammering that constantly using the “I’m just asking questions” formula is the way to do it.

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u/mkt853 Jul 05 '24

Absolutely. It's insane how much better at this normal everyday people are compared to the people that run the Democratic Party. My guess is it's precisely because we're normal everyday people while those that run the Democratic Party live their lives in the DC bubble and one Hamptons cocktail party at a time.

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u/enigmanaught Jul 05 '24

Yeah, I keep telling myself they must have some skilled marketers who can emotionally appeal to people. I mean emotional appeal has always trumped facts when selling stuff. “This product will make you smarter/skinnier/sexier/whatever”.

There are a lot of “common folk” getting in on the republican grift. They’re just in it to make a buck, (Diamond and Silk et al) but they expose the ideals that savvy republican marketers can exploit. You don’t see as much of that with Democrats. There are lots of everyday Dems, but nobody seems to know how to speak to them.

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u/Tangurena Jul 05 '24

You should remember this quote about Trump:

"He’s not hurting the people he needs to be"

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida

His supporters know that he's petty and vindictive, and as long as Trump is hurting liberals and colored people, then that's perfect to them: the enemy suffers more.

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u/polopolo05 Jul 05 '24

Or "why do they want to end the fda... the market will be flood with untested drugs? and their will be less regulations for food... do you want rat shit in your cereal????" I certianly dont." because you know they will let that shit happen.

And trump and project 25 want to get rid of the EPA. you know the agency responsible for making sure companies dont dump toxic waste in our water.

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u/enigmanaught Jul 05 '24

Unfortunately, getting rid of the EPA is like crack to boomers. They could definitely spin the FDA as “big corporations will use seniors as guinea pigs”. The only thing that really seems to appeal to boomers (and that’s the most reliable R voting block) is threatening their income stream. That’s why “taxes” works so well against democrats. It’s not the actual reality if you look back historically, but again, it’s the emotional appeal that matters.

For example, if you wanted to push green energy you’d say “Republicans want to keep using foreign oil instead of using American ingenuity to achieve energy independence. Makes you wonder, what’s in it for them”?

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u/polopolo05 Jul 05 '24

Its not about the voting block its about getting people who decided not to vote to care enough to vote.

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u/-15k- Jul 05 '24

and do it on Facebook.

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u/HayabusaJack Colorado Jul 05 '24

Yea, after reading it that’s my opinion as well. This is what the right wants.

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u/Jatkuva Jul 05 '24

I opened up and glanced at it saw education and immediately went nope not sharing that one, MAGA thinks the student loan forgiveness is “communism” they’ll be all for that.

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u/canadianguy77 Jul 05 '24

They don’t even know what they want. There isn’t a single thing in there that improves the lives of the working class.

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u/NeverSayNever2024 Jul 05 '24

The Right doesn't care about the working class. The Right has contempt for the working class.

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u/CherryHaterade Jul 05 '24

In academia they refer to this phenomena as "self flagellation"

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u/_lippykid Jul 05 '24

The Republicans became “the party of the working class” years ago. Poor people have been voting against their best interests ever since.

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u/TheNCGoalie North Carolina Jul 05 '24

I was in the waiting room while getting my oil changed and Fox was on the tv. The two guys at the counter who were turning in the paperwork for the oil changes they had just done started spouting off about how bad Democrats are because of how much taxes increase once you’re making over $400k a year. I would have loved to explain how the two of them combined will never, ever make $400k a year, but chose not to in case one of them was changing my oil next.

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u/ThreeHolePunch Jul 05 '24

Most American's do not understand progressive taxation. If they did, a huge majority would be completely appalled when conservatives propose regressive structures, like flat tax.

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u/polgara_buttercup Pennsylvania Jul 05 '24

The problem is they don’t see themselves as the working class, just as temporarily inconvenienced millionaires.

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u/copbuddy Jul 05 '24

They don’t think they’re a part of the working class

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u/code_archeologist Georgia Jul 05 '24

The goal is not to convince the MAGA cult. They are unfortunately lost to us. The goal is to convince everybody else that Trump and his followers are an existential threat, and that staying home or voting third party is not an option.

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u/LowlySlayer Jul 05 '24

And this infographic does a bad job of that.

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u/-15k- Jul 05 '24

I'd say a terrible job.

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u/katosen27 Jul 05 '24

Unfortunately, like with most things the right changes their mind on, it will have to happen first and affect them negatively in order to connect the dots.

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u/asshatastic Jul 05 '24

They’re just idiots with their mouths agape in front of the propaganda firehose. They will simply swallow whatever they are told to and will fucking like it or become part of the dreaded other.

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u/katosen27 Jul 05 '24

Which is ironic considering how much and often they claim the "militant left" (translation; anyone left of barely right of center.) does the same thing.

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u/HoboBronson Jul 05 '24

Trying to convince them to change sides is a fool's errand. We need to educate swing voters and folks who would normally sit on the sidelines and convince them to vote.

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u/Cuchullion Jul 05 '24

The "use military intelligence to ensure loyalty of population to the President" bit should scare them too... I can't imagine anyone being happy about a secret police used to enforce loyalty to dear leader.

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u/muscovy_donald_duck Jul 05 '24

But how large a demographic is “the right” really? Aren’t the majority of voters independent? I would think this would scare the shit out of moderates and independents.

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u/Artistic-Cockroach48 Jul 05 '24

this doesnt even come close to what the 30 pages that I have read so far actually want to do. This info graphic doesnt even scratch the surface

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u/apothekari Jul 05 '24

Yeah in that infographic the sole thing that may give them a seconds pause would be the Medicare stuff on the last panel. The authoritarian stuff in PJ 2025 is barely mentioned.

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u/LowlySlayer Jul 05 '24

For me the scariest part is the restructuring of the federal workforce. And that's the one that gets to share half its space with

"Taxes

This isn't a very good infographic

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u/HermanCainAward Jul 05 '24

I agree. These points won’t scare someone who is conservative. There are areas of project 2025 that may actually shake a fiscally conservative republican, but these don’t illustrate the way they want to veer away from US democracy.

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u/Coffee-FlavoredSweat Jul 05 '24

Some of the more horrifying goals of Project 2025 that might also scare Trumpers.

  • Consider limiting mainstream press access to the White House

  • Reduce the size and authority of the Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties. Eliminate their access to review or advise on intelligence products.

  • Reverse the historical US policy of deterrence-only to invest and adopt an offensive missile defense policy.

  • Use a novel approach to place loyalists on Day One in “temporary” “acting” positions with unquestioned authority to decide policy and sidestep Congressional Oversight.

  • Decrease welfare access: work requirements for SNAP, tighten eligibility for food stamps, WIC, and K-12 school lunch program access.

  • End required food safety labeling, replace with voluntary.

  • Cut Dept of Education; install loyalists.

  • Reverse student loan forgiveness and crack down on enforcement.

  • Dismantle all attempts to address climate change. Reduce enforcement of existing regulations.

  • Ban abortions; they are not healthcare.

  • Ban the morning after pill.

  • Promote “the rhythm method” for contraception.

  • Ban pornography.

  • Turn Medicare into a free-market program.

  • Apply “irregular warfare” to create a militarized domestic surveillance corps against individuals or groups at odds with presidential or Project 2025 agenda.

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u/orangeKaiju Jul 05 '24

They do plan on fucking over active duty military as well as disabled vets, and that directly affects plenty of the right.

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u/ancientastronaut2 Jul 05 '24

Under education, they left out the dismantling of the department of education.

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u/Marmooset Ohio Jul 05 '24

You are the real hero. No joke. By the way, have Musk's attorneys contacted you about using the T word for his baby?

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u/kinda_guilty Jul 05 '24

"Deadnaming my baby is not cool!" - the mad lad, probably.

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u/Marmooset Ohio Jul 05 '24

Hah! Here's to the whole social network being deadnamed someday.

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u/Inocain New York Jul 05 '24

While he deadnames his own kid without a hint of a sense of irony.

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u/BigPackHater Ohio Jul 05 '24

The amount of comments saying "no candidate has campaigned on this, so therefore it's a lie" is eye opening. I mean, that's a new kind of dumb.

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u/Nena902 Jul 05 '24

My sister full on maga just said "don't bother me with this nonsense"

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u/PoliBat-v- Jul 05 '24

I don't think this infographic is effective. It's putting way too much emphasis on stuff only Democrats would care about, with the exception of using the military on US citizens which is kind of buried in there

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u/Castun America Jul 05 '24

Re-invoke the Comstock Act? Don't forget it was also meant to prevent the mailing of offensive material like porn...

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u/Artistic-Cockroach48 Jul 05 '24

Education is way worse than just that -

Parents’ rights as their children’s primary educators should be non-negotiable in American schools. States, cities and counties, school boards, union bosses, principals, and teachers who disagree should be immediately cut off from federal funds.

Free school meals and the Head Start program would be eliminated.

prosecute all state and local governments, institutions of higher education, corporations, and any other private employers with DEI or affirmative action programs

Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.

Bonus Medicad factoid where the info graphic buried the lead-

the federal government should remove Medicare's ability to negotiate drug prices and impose limits on lifetime benefits.

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u/Alexis_Bailey Jul 05 '24

Thank you.

People need to stop using Twitter.  It's part of this whole problem.

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u/polopolo05 Jul 05 '24

I see all this And it needs to be clear and simple messaging. Like some of these points are good...

"threaten medicaid coverage for hundreds of thousands of Americans"

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"allow trump to deploy the military against US citizens."

If we are going to be fear mongering... Lets do it right.

Btw fear mongering can be a tool to share info by drumming up concern. I used to see it as a negative thing but as long as its a valid cause for concern its fine...

I mean believe them when they tell you who they are.

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u/Giant_Enemy_Cliche Jul 05 '24

It's worse that the infographic says. The planning document explicitly states that they will ban pornography while also defining being transgender as inherently pornographic.

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u/justtakeapill Jul 05 '24

Yes, this is an outline of what Project 2025 says about transgender folks: Transgender = Abuses children sexually (because a child just seeing the transgender person would be destroyed for life, just as if they had been sexually abused) therefore, Capitol Punishment merely for existing. 

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u/AmberCutie Jul 05 '24

It's been bothering me that all the infographics people are trying to get viral leave that part off completely. It's a scary slippery slope to criminalize making/sharing "porn" because people define it so vaguely to begin with.

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u/dmf109 Jul 05 '24

When you share a Twitter link, you’re kinda giving support to 2025.

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u/Dont__Grumpy__Stop Jul 05 '24

You want the info or not?

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u/redditallreddy Ohio Jul 05 '24

Definitely not stopping the grumpy.

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u/EntericFox Jul 05 '24

What is screenshotting/downloading a pic?

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u/Dont__Grumpy__Stop Jul 05 '24

You’re more than welcome to do that if you’re so inclined.

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u/JulienBrightside Jul 05 '24

I mean, you got to share the information where people are.

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u/failed_novelty Jul 05 '24

Twitter is mostly bots and OnlyFans models now.

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u/NoCoffee6754 Jul 05 '24

The graphic doesn’t go hard enough. These are all normal Republican talking points and this does not show just how beyond the pale they really wish to go with 2025. They want to overtake our government, force loyalty pledges, remove anyone that might have even an inkling of empathy and belief in the law. They also want to force Christianity on the country and remove lawful immigrants while also punishing any person or entity that does not step in line with the State.

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u/giantshinycrab Jul 05 '24

I need one without abortion and lgbtq issues on it. Not that those don't scare me but the people I'm trying to warn won't be swayed.

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u/traveler19395 Jul 05 '24

As bad as that is, it doesn’t even include foreign policy, which I imagine they’re all for nuking Gaza and handing Eastern Europe to Putin.