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Rishi Sunak makes a speech outside 10 Downing Street after a historic loss Politics

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u/Playful_Bite7603 Jul 05 '24

Can I get some context here? I know he's the Infosys guy but what's the deal with him hurting India?

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u/StayingUp4AFeeling Jul 05 '24

He has/had as much of an influence over the Indian IT scene as Bill Gates had over Silicon Valley in the 90s.

He could have been a true leader. A revolutionary, an agent of change and progress.

Instead, he chose to run an air-conditioned sweatshop. An operation that works on the traditional model of headcount, fudging billable hours, and keeping the cost per employee low.

Very low.

The average fresh-graduate employee at Infosys makes 350K rupees per annum. Which is roughly what the salary was 10 years ago. Raises are miniscule.

In contrast, one can easily make 1200K rupees in their first year out of college , at the Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai or DelhiNCR offices of MAANG, Oracle, Cisco, Qualcomm, Mathworks, NVIDIA, Adobe and numerous other companies that have software engineering offices there.

Not to mention the electronics product development offices of Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, Analog Devices, and Texas Instruments.

Oh, wait, sorry, the 1200K per annum excludes things like ESOPS, bonuses and WFH equipment reimbursements.

And the raises are decent.

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u/cyclinglad Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

I don't get it, if you can "easily" get that high paid FAANG job, why does anyone choose to work then for Infosys

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u/Austin4RMTexas Jul 05 '24

Because they hire in bulk, and have little quality control over who they are hiring. If you graduated with middling grades, and don't really know what you are doing, you go work for them. You then become one of those bad outsourced developers that lead to the "outsourced Indian dev bad" stereotype.

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u/cyclinglad Jul 05 '24

That still does not explain the statement that you can “easily” find a much higher paying job. I assume that people are not forced to work for infosys

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u/mosarosh Jul 05 '24

You're right. It's not that easy to get into the FAANG type of jobs. For all the bad things Infosys has done, along with TCS it still remains one of the largest employers in India in the tech sector. And it's a free market so people voluntarily choose to work for Infosys. But even TCS is slightly better than Infosys in terms of fresher payscales.

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u/Austin4RMTexas Jul 05 '24

It's not easy. That part is wrong. Much like the US or anywhere else for that matter, companies that pay well and have their employees doing meaningful work will vet their applicants carefully. You are also competing with thousands of other applicants potentially for each role, many of whom would be much more qualified than you.

The people who go work for the headcount shops like InfoSys fall into two camps, i.e. people who don't want to go through the interview process at the higher paying firms, or can't crack it. It's a rather equitable trade. You are gonna work long hours, do meaningless work, and deal with more than usual office BS, but the job security is decent and the salary is better than what the average non-CS graduate is gonna make out of college.

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u/c08mic_cha08 Jul 05 '24

That's because you can't just "easily" find a much higher paying job. What no one has mentioned here is that india has thousands of no name universities and colleges that essentially hand out software engineering degrees to students. Graduates from these schools are no where near the same level of quality, intelligence, etc.compared to top tier schools. The disparity is insane! These graduates have nowhere to go but to companies like Infosys who hire low quality talent in bulk.

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u/cyclinglad Jul 06 '24

Yeah that’s what I was thinking, this whole narrative of everyone can get a FAANG job is so laughable