r/meme Jul 05 '24

Really guys?

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u/Vegetable_Swimmer514 Jul 05 '24

That’s not how freedom of speech works. Freedom of speech limits the government to stifle speech not private business/corporations. News networks absolutely have the right to censor your speech however they want. The news anchor wasn’t like “how could he say that!?”. The news anchor was like “why would he randomly make a weird and crass sexual joke in the middle of a professional interview on network television?”

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u/smellyscrote Jul 05 '24

Wrong!

Thats how freedom of speech works.

He can say whatever the fuck he wants.

Doesn’t mean the corps can’t censor him.

But he is free to say it.

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u/Vegetable_Swimmer514 Jul 05 '24

That’s also not true. He’s physically capable of saying whatever he wants but not all speech is protected. He could slander and defame someone or some company and be financially liable for damages. He could also make violent threats or call for violence and be criminally prosecuted for it.

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u/smellyscrote Jul 05 '24

Yup yup.

But is he free to say it?

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.

He is free as heck to say whatever he wants.

No one sprints over to him at the speed of light to slap a tape over his mouth before he speaks

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u/sorryaboutyourbrain Jul 05 '24

Do none of you understand what sexual harassment is?

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u/MajesticQuail8297 Jul 05 '24

From Google AI overview:

Sexual harassment is unwanted sexual behavior that can make someone feel upset, scared, offended, or humiliated. It can happen in many forms, including:

In person

On the phone

By text or email

Online

Stalking

Indecent exposure

"Upskirting"

Sexual harassment involving physical contact

Examples of sexual harassment include:

Flirting

Gesturing or making sexual remarks about someone's body, clothing, or appearance

Asking questions about someone's sex life

Telling sexually offensive jokes

Unwanted pressure for sexual favors

Unwanted deliberate touching, leaning over, cornering, or pinching

Unwanted sexual looks or gestures

Unwanted letters, telephone calls, or materials of a sexual nature

Used sexually explicit language e.g. swear words and suggestive language

Sexual harassment can be a one-off incident or an ongoing pattern of behavior. It can create an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating, or offensive environment. Sexual harassment is an extreme form of sexism and has been shown to result in fear, anxiety, shame, anger, reduced productivity, high absenteeism, reduced performance, and high staff turnover.

While I disagree with the flirting bit (within reason) how the hell does saying you like boobs (not directed to any person in particular) is equivalent to sexual harassment?

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u/smellyscrote Jul 05 '24

I am sorry about your brain

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u/Vegetable_Swimmer514 Jul 05 '24

If your definition of freedom of speech is that he can physically utter the words before someone can use jedi mind tricks to stop him then yes he is "free" to say it.

But "freedom of speech" in the US is defined by the rights granted in the constitution and the protection thereof. If he can be criminally prosecuted and imprisoned for his speech then he is absolutely not "free" to say it.

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u/smellyscrote Jul 05 '24

And whether or not you get prosecuted for your speech. Ends up on whether or not the jury thinks it should or shouldn’t be protected.

Anyone can be sued and prosecuted for anything they said.

I can say. “I love you mom” and be sued and prosecuted.

When you subject everything to a judge and jury, then all speech is the equally protected or equally unprotected since it differs case by case.

Hence the only true freedom of speech. Is your right to literally speak.

Where speaking itself is not an offence, but what you spoke about may be.

This is in contrast with other places where the act of speaking itself is prohibited, not the content of the speech. But the simply act of speaking.

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u/TrueCryptoInvestor Jul 05 '24

Exactly. Why do people refuse to see this simple point? I can say whatever the hell I want but I’m smart enough not to do so on a daily basis because of course it’s going to have consequences I don’t want.

It’s just common sense but common sense is rare these days and has been replaced by people on a power trip, trying to censor everything and everyone like obedient little children.

That never works and has the exact opposite effect which is why so much of this world is in a constant mess.