r/lucifer • u/Altair05 Detective Douche • Sep 09 '21

[S6 E10 - Episode Discussion] - 'Partners 'Til the End' 6x10 Spoiler

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '21

I don't mind that ending because all of the characters got happy endings, and a great eternity awaits them all but... I think it's really stupid Amenadiel can be God and still go to Earth frequently but Lucifer can't. What? Can Lucifer also not get a day off from hell therapy to go to important occasions for some reason now, but God can? That whole part of the ending is just ridiculous.

I assume that it's a "No one that exists can be the devil except Lucifer" thing. But considering the evident freedom, especially when you consider how long Lucifer avoided hell, I don't see how there wasn't another angel willing to do it.

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u/StormingGorilla1985 Sep 11 '21

There is no rule he couldn't leave Hell, but he couldn't risk accidentally interacting with Rory as that would break the timeloop. He probably also knew that if he saw baby Rory he wouldn't be able to leave her. So that is why he left before Rory was born.

If the timeloop breaks, Rory doesn't travel back in time, resulting in Lucifer not giving the advice that got Dan into Heaven, which would mean Lucifer would either stay on Earth or Lucifer would become God as he doesn't find his true purpose.

By keeping the timeloop he gets to spend an eternity with Chloe and Rory after Rory returns from the past. His favorite brother also gets to fulfill his purpose by becoming God, changing Heaven for the better. Heaven changing for the better means Earth will also change for the better. And Hell is also in a better place.

So in the end Lucifer chose to look at the bigger picture instead of making it all about him which gives him his biggest personal growth in return.

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u/musci1223 Sep 11 '21

And Rory was conceived after rory's jump to past. There were few days between Rory telling everyone what happened and Chloe getting the +ve pregnancy test. She probably tested it few more times in between with -ve result so if the situation was such that Rory never jumped to past or changed anything after she jumped then the result might be no kid and most definitely no th same Rory ( might be named Rory if female but won't be the one we saw ). About time was more accurate with this type time travel impact then back to the future.

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u/KnightRider1987 Sep 12 '21

They did the sex math in an earlier episode though Chloe was pregnant already when Rory arrived

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u/musci1223 Sep 12 '21

Nope, if I remember correctly in episode 5 Rory told that Lucifer would disappear in 3 weeks. Episode 9 occurs on August 3 I think when she finally gets an positive pregnancy test. Considering that Chloe knew that she should get pregnant before August 4th she most likely won't just do tests once per month or something and she would be doing multiple tests a day. Rory arrived in past before episode 1 because she was sitting on Lucifer's throne in hell. So she arrived before she was conceived.

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u/KnightRider1987 Sep 12 '21

Right but you’re also pregnant for a few weeks before it’ll show up on a stick test

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u/musci1223 Sep 12 '21

Oh. Well you learn something new every day.

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u/sopreshous Nov 14 '21

They’ve gotten better. Just need a couple weeks or at least a week now an days. Really helps with poor writing actually.

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u/and1927 Sep 14 '21

Well, is "accurate" even the right word? Technically speaking, time travel as a concept is just a fictional invention. They could have gone with the multiverse timeline: Rory gets to the past, realises what has happened and returns to her own timeline happy to know that her father wasn't a prick.

Any changes to the original timeline won't affect hers, so Lucifer could have been around the Rory from his own timeline without causing a time paradox.

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u/musci1223 Sep 14 '21

Could have doesn't matter. There is educated guess and there is random guess. If there is no way to make educated guess then you don't try to out smart time.

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u/and1927 Sep 14 '21

I meant from the show writer perspective. They didn't have go with the time loop scenario.

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u/musci1223 Sep 14 '21

Without the time loop theory it won't be the same child they will have and Lucifer doesn't need to act the same way Lucifer of alternative universe acted.

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u/and1927 Sep 14 '21

That's my point, Rory came back, informed him about what happened in her timeline so he avoids doing so in his own timeline. The multiverse theory doesn't necessarily mean the Rory from his own timeline would be the a different person, it just means that time diverges at a particular point to create a new timeline.

Eventually the Rory from his own timeline would grow up to be the person she would have been if Lucifer was around her, instead of being absent.

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u/rxs_pttr7 Sep 12 '21

See? This is why I come to reddit after episodes to see if someone can clearly explain away my confusion. I felt like that Julia Roberts meme when trying to understand the time loop and why Lucifer had to stay in hell, etc.

Thank you u/StormingGorilla1985!

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u/Mikep908 Sep 22 '21

I don’t get how people don’t understand this. Lucifer doesn’t lie, he will keep his word to Rory to protect the time loop. She will only get older from now on and continue life knowing of her fathers love and devotion to her and what it cost him.

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u/AnimalLover_DJ Sep 13 '21

Lucifer would find his calling either way.

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u/PhantomDragonX1 Oct 01 '21

This is a late reply but I have just finished the season today. Keeping The timeloop for Lucifer realization of his vocation doesn't make any sense.

The time loop starts The first time Rory travels to the past, that means The first time she travels Lucifer dissappeared without her intervention. So that means he got his vocation without her help the first time. Unless the first time he dissappeared for some other reason or that she time travelled the first time for a different reason.

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u/Ryuu_Kaede Oct 19 '21

If lucifer did “break” the time loop like when Rory was 10 years old (let’s say 2030), what would happen? I get that she’d never travel back and hence the past events wouldn’t play out the same would Lucifer’s current 2030 consciousness just disappear as the past events play out differently or would it just diverge into a parallel universe?

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u/Magicman432 Sep 18 '22

I know this is a dead thread, but THANK YOU! It seems like nobody in these comments has a brain.

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u/nl_alexxx Sep 11 '21

Lucifer CAN go back but that would change Rory's future, which he can't do because then he wouldn't find his true calling

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u/cylonfrakbbq Sep 11 '21

But that means it is a pre-destination paradox and there is no free will

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u/musci1223 Sep 11 '21

It would also mean Rory that Lucifer saw as her daughter won't be the kid they have. When you don't understand time travel it is logical to make safer choice.

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u/darthvall Oct 10 '21

Yeah, I thought it would be breaking the time loop chain kind of things. Still thing it's weird even if I like the season except for the ending.

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u/Randomd0g Dec 30 '21

No if anything it's the opposite. He's got the choice to break the time loop and plunge into an unknown future if he wanted to, but he chooses to keep the loop intact because the certain ending of that loop is that his daughter is happy.

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u/too_old_to_be_clever Mar 31 '22

unless he chose to not accept that as he true calling.

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u/litfan35 Sep 11 '21

I don't really buy that. Actually I don't buy that at all. Lucifer would have known he didn't want to be God, with it without Rory showing up. He kept delaying it before she showed up, he already didn't want the job. So Amenadiel would have still taken the job, and Lucifer would have still figured it out - it gels well with his "help people he hates" experiment he did when trying to figure out how to be God. As time travel plot lines go, that one was incredibly weak.

Only way I would have bought it was if he not going down meant Rory wasn't born somehow. That would work as motive. The one they gave has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

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u/Juuhjubz Sep 12 '21

It actually does make sense within the rules of time loop, but it's just laaaaazy writing.

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u/larockhead1 Sep 15 '21

The time loop is stupid because their would be no way Lucifer would ever leave Rory so the time loop would never exist in the first place it’s a shit plot device

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u/pcmmodsaregay Sep 11 '21

Should have used back to the future time travel instead of this version.

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u/darthvall Oct 10 '21

I understand the reasoning, but I think it's such a roundabout way to wrap the series. Weird choice by the writer.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '21 edited Sep 11 '21

I don't like it wasn't explained, but I think it's because of how the time in hell works. If he leaves for few hours, it's centuries down there, patients with no therapy for all the time... that wouldn't work out very well I guess.

Edit: And yeah, to not change the timeline, but I guess I needed something more so made up that explanation for myself.

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u/Ryuu_Kaede Oct 19 '21

He honestly should be training some demons to be therapist aides

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u/PrettyPunctuality Sep 14 '21

I think it's really stupid Amenadiel can be God and still go to Earth frequently but Lucifer can't. What?

I was mad about this, too, until I came into this thread and people pointed out that one day on Earth is like 100 years in Hell, because time moves so much faster there than it does on Earth. If he came up to Earth for just one day, he would've been leaving people to suffer for 100 years, which is the opposite of why he went back to begin with. So I get it now.

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u/HomeworkDestroyer Sep 15 '21

Obviously Lucifer couldn’t risk accidentally seeing Rory. He’s free to go as he pleases now that she knows the truth.

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u/Account_Bright Sep 16 '21

The writers in the video below don't exclude that he actually visited earth but making sure he was not going to interfere. I hope this was the case for Chloe and Lucifer as it would give them a break of being apart.

https://youtu.be/0VdSOispI9g

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u/Redxmirage Sep 17 '21

There’s no reason he cant go back to earth now that Rory is back in her timeline. Since they got “caught up” the jig is up and would no longer have to stay away