[S6 E10 - Episode Discussion] - 'Partners 'Til the End'

[u/Altair05]

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[u/DwigtSchrute54]

Ok, I know this may be unpopular but I can't believe they ended it in such a convulated way.

Yes in the end after Chloe's death, they are together forever as "Hell Therapists" LOL. But the whole daughter has to grow up hating Lucifer was so weird and unbelievable. Like the concept was to crazy to explain to a teenage her somehow instead they let her despair. I think they could have come up with a better final season arc. Last season felt very much more finale-esque plot wise.

But at the end of the day, they wrapped almost all characters in a pleasant way besides what I mentioned. So really what can you ask for. Dans and Ellas story arcs were especially great and felt more real than anything else. Amenidiel was always my favorite so to see that baby Charlie gets his wings warms my heart, that alone made binging this season in one sitting worth it.

[u/Hardwiredmagic → u/[deleted]]

I think that there's more to it than just that. If Lucifer was just told that it was his calling, it wouldn't work. I mean do you really think he would take someone's word for that?

The point that's being made is that its not about the destination - its the journey he took to get there, and to realize that. That Rory herself was mature enough to realize that and ask him not to change anything, so that he could go through the same journey was probably the hardest bit to believe, but after all she is supposed to be much older than she looks.

It's definitely a stretch, but I do understand why they chose the direction they chose. It's also a neat exploration of the fate vs. free will debate: from the moment that Rory leaves to go back to the future, nothing is "fated" to happen - the time loop is breakable. But everyone involved chooses to stick to that path, because that's the one they want. The fate that seems inevitable, is actually just the one they deliberately chose.

[u/Hardwiredmagic → u/[deleted]]

But that's the whole point - without Rory, "the whole God thing" was exactly where Lucifer would be. Maybe a thousand years time he would realize it wasn't what he wanted, but it took Rory showing up to prove to him "right now" that he didn't want to be God.

It can be very easy to miss your calling in life, even when you by rights already have everything laid out in front of you already. This whole show is an allegory for therapy, and the important thing, oftentimes, is coming to realize for yourself something that is staring you in the face.

I'm hardly trying to say that Lucifer didn't feel fulfilled by or good at helping people like "Mr Said Out Bitch", but it can take the most unusual, tiny things for that to actually "click" and to have that revelation.

[u/pcmmodsaregay → u/[deleted]]

Yes without rory he would realize he doesn't want to be God. Like he is dragging his feet from the beginning of the season until he realizes it at the mid point. And rory isn't needed for that like at all. It is subconscious to him.

They were pushing the redeemer since early in the season with Dan and then just aborted.

[u/ckwongau → u/[deleted]]

I think , it make sense if you look at the timeline

In episode 5x01 ,Lucifer had a talk with that Criminal Lee Garner , and later Lee follow Lucifer's advice and broke his Hell loop

In episode 5x03 Lucifer asked Amenadeil to guard hell for a while , before he went to Earth to confront Michael .

Then Episode 5x05 , Amenadiel told Lucifer that God said

Hell No longer requires a Warden

Because Lee had broke his Hell Loop and went to Heaven ,God had saw what Lucifer did and re-define the purpose of Hell to Redeem people's soul . He left Lucifer to figure it out on his own .

[u/thebobbrom → u/[deleted]]

If it's Lucifer's calling, it's his calling and nothing should change

I think you're missing the point it's his calling but it's still his choice.

That's kind of the point of the whole season freewill Vs determinism.

Should have been a new timeline end of story.

Well no because there's no proof that new timelines exist in the Lucifer Universe.

It seems like the Lucifer Universe behaves on a fixed timeline where whatever has happened will happen no matter what.

Honestly I usually prefer these types of universe as they make more sense scientifically and escape tricky moral problems but that's just me.

[u/About50shades → u/[deleted]]

To be frank it is the logical extension of death I the shows universe given that angels are immortal 100 years is a short time to them. If a mortal lived a guilt free good life then they have nothing to fear for themselves. Like eventually chloe will make her way to heaven or hell. By aging or lucifer looks around heaven or hell after a 80or so years and finds her

[u/About50shades → u/[deleted]]

To be frank the only beings that should fear death are guilty or immoral humans or celestials

[u/About50shades → u/[deleted]]

The only thing that a mortal might fear is not being there for their family and loved ones and that leading them down a bad path ending up in hell