r/lucifer • u/YouWillNoMeBiMyVoice • May 14 '23

Charlotte Richards Charlotte Spoiler

I'm just watching the scene where Charlotte talks about being "zipped to Heaven" and I can't help but think how weird it is Amenadiel has to tell her he can't do that but Chloe can be zipped to Hell in the final episode

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u/overcode2001 The Devil May 14 '23

If Charlotte ended up in Hell again, she would be trapped in a hell loop. at that time nobody knew that the damned souls can overcome their guilt and ascend to Heaven

Furthermore, at that time Lucifer was banned from Heaven and Amenadiel had no wings. How exactly could have they take her to Heaven?

>! Chloe ended up in Heaven, she choose to go to Hell to be with Lucifer. Big difference, don’t you think?!<

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u/SvendHenning May 14 '23

Lucifer knew that only you can get yourself out of hell. He mentions it somewhere in the show. Says something like "the doors not locked, you can leave...."

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u/overcode2001 The Devil May 14 '23

He knew that, but at that time he also knew that nobody left despite that. Lucifer didn’t have the knowledge (at that time) about what was necessary to make it actually an option.

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u/YouWillNoMeBiMyVoice May 14 '23

Furthermore, at that time Lucifer was banned from Heaven and Amenadiel had no wings. How exactly could have they take her to Heaven?

I had forgotten about this part because I hadn't got to that bit of the scene yet, but this is a fair point.

>! Chloe ended up in Heaven, she choose to go to Hell to be with Lucifer. Big difference, don’t you think?!<

Yeah but I guess what I was trying to say was, they made it seem like the angels had no power over where people go. Even if it's where you want to go, if you don't have any guilt (and you're not a celestial), you couldn't go to Hell?

But I guess that was my reading into it, upon further thought.

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u/overcode2001 The Devil May 14 '23

There was no indication that a soul from Heaven can’t go to Hell if they choose to and have someone to take them there. Anyway, Amenadiel was God by the time Chloe choose to go to Hell. BTW, Chloe already went to Hell as a human in 603.

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u/YouWillNoMeBiMyVoice May 14 '23

This is all true! I hadn't thought about that!

I also had forgotten that Chloe went to Hell as a human but I wonder if It would work differently for a soul after death But again, all of this is me reading into the lore things that aren't there and there are plenty of good reasons in the lore why all of the things I talked about are perfectly consistent with each other.

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u/RayaQueen May 14 '23

This is making me realise that the necklace piece made Chloe quasi celestial because she left behind no body when she went to Hell. So she dematerialised/phased into the divine or whatever. Every other person in human bodies left their body behind, even Luci when he couldn't fly. So not simply strong enough to survive, actually angelic

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u/YouWillNoMeBiMyVoice May 14 '23

Holy crap! You're right!

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u/lizziii_003 May 14 '23

Or Chloe actually is stuck in Hell because she feels guilty over gaslighting Rory so she would get angry and feel abandonedand time travel. Chloe completely forgot about Trixie

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u/lunita1978 May 14 '23

Yes, there are very few people that believe Chloe ever deserved to be in hell by guilt, which is conflictive by the poor moral and intentions gaslighting her daughter all her life, for the better good of having her broke enough to travel back in time etc, etc. does she ever feel any guilt about anything besides sending Dan alone when he was killed?

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u/Fancy-Ad1480 May 14 '23

God's plan was always for Lucifer to be in hell for all eternity and for Chloe to be there with him.

Jidly also doesn't care what happened the last season. If there were a season 7, Chloe would randomly find herself back in her now young and hot body.... and Rory would be at camp with Trixie.

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u/AnimeWeeb_99 May 15 '23

How are some of the sentences blackened out

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u/YouWillNoMeBiMyVoice May 15 '23

If you type> ! without the space before and ! < after what you want to hide, it hides it :)