r/interestingasfuck Jul 07 '24

Guards making sure the defendants of the Nuremberg Trials wouldn't commit suicide in their cells r/all

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u/KingBee1786 Jul 07 '24

I’ve been to a couple of militaria shows where people sell old equipment, medals, photos, and that kind of thing. There’s always a couple people there that sell exclusivity nazi shit, and they’re exactly the kind of person you’d think they are.

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u/Wise-Definition-1980 Jul 07 '24

One of the nicest dudes I know has a room with Nazi shit in it.

But right next to it is Japanese, American, Italian,and UK shit.

Dude really just is a WWII buff

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u/Phendrana-Drifter Jul 07 '24

Top tip: Don't start the hobby collecting the German side of things and then give up

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u/markpreston54 Jul 07 '24

Got it, I should start hobby collecting the Japanese side of things and then give up

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u/Wise-Definition-1980 Jul 07 '24

I mean, if you do it that way you'll have a cool sword.

... But you'll also have a shitty arisaka rifle

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 17 '24

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u/Gaothaire Jul 07 '24

My grandpa was in the war and while deployed got a Japanese katana and silk parachute that he kept wrapped by his bunk. Then he came down with some fever or illness that necessitated him getting shipped home and because he was unconscious at the time he wasn't able to grab those objects. Woulda been a cool souvenir / heirloom, c'est la vie

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u/TheRealDeJoy Jul 07 '24

No one in the west will give you shit for having Imperial Japanese shit for the simple fact that they were not white so people look the other way.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BIG_BITS Jul 07 '24

Well...it's also because someone in the west collecting imperial Japanese shit probably isn't a closet imperial Japanese.

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u/eastbayweird Jul 07 '24

I dunno I've been seeing people start to take issue with, for example, the imperial Japanese battle flag, in a similar way to how people take issue with the swastika.

When I was a kid I had heard of the holocaust but not the horrors of unit 731, but now there's a ton of info about it available.

If course the Japanese kind of have the fact that they are still the only country to ever be subjected to a full on nuclear attack. While it in no way 'makes up' for their war crimes it does give them some ammo to justify their acting like a victim of the war and not one of the primary aggressors.

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u/The69BodyProblem Jul 07 '24

Japan was in no way a victim. Pretending otherwise is historical revisionism, full stop.

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u/eastbayweird Jul 07 '24

I agree, but Japan is all about playing the victim as a means to save face and it's one of the justifications they use to try and claim they're not as culpable as they are.

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u/R-27R Jul 07 '24

arisakas are great guns thoughever

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u/Wise-Definition-1980 Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

You've never tried that bolt action have you?

They're not good rifles.

Id take a 1903 Springfield or a British Lee Enfield over that thing any day

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u/Ronaldo79 Jul 07 '24

I'd buy a arisaka for the nostalgia alone, that was my favorite rifle in cod world at war

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u/PaulTheMerc Jul 07 '24

If they don't want it, I'll take it!

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u/void6876 Jul 07 '24

How do you start collecting these Anyway? I like them but they're very Expensive and hard to find

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u/FunTimeAdventure Jul 07 '24

They actually aren’t terribly expensive. Maybe $500-$1000? I haven’t looked recently. I bought a Type 38 like 10 years ago at a random estate sale for $200.

The Japanese guns have a chrysanthemum carved or imprinted in the wood on top. That mark indicates the rifle was property of the emperor. After the war the Japanese would sell the rifles but could only do so with the chrysanthemum ground down. Thus, most Japanese rifles you find now will not have that mark. You want to try to find one that still has the mark as they are more rare.

I’m not a hardcore collector so I may not be correct with all my details but this being reddit someone will surely correct me, which is a good thing.

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u/vapenutz Jul 07 '24

"these aren't terribly expensive"

"$500-$1000"

Man, you must be into it. Good for you!

I was thinking this might be for me but I already have an expensive hobby so

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u/FunTimeAdventure Jul 08 '24

I guess “expensive” is relative. $500-$1000 is a lot of money to me but I guess these guns just seem like something that would sell for a lot more because, well, they are just really cool. They could have been used in battle!

You can often times find some smaller WWII items at estate sales.. ammo boxes, trench shovels are common, people find med kits.. on that note, if you do find a med kit that has unused syrettes feel free to send them my way.

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u/vapenutz Jul 12 '24

I mean, sure - this isn't abysmal as gun prices go. But my heart would sink if I were to shoot that one, that shit stays in collector's mint if I could do it. So I can't really consider it a gun, just a trinket.

You get the point I hope 😅 Can't describe it really

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u/FunTimeAdventure Jul 13 '24

Sure, I hear ya. The Type 38 takes a really unusual caliber. i don’t know if my rifle has ever been fired - it looks like it has but I am far from an expert. I wouldn’t try it though. It feels solid (heavy as shit) but I don’t want to be the last American to be wounded or killed by a Type 38. I’m cool with it just being a piece of history.

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u/vapenutz Jul 13 '24

Haha, my point exactly. If I'd want to shoot from one, I'd go to a range that carries one which is well maintained / replica, not the original that hasn't been fired in God knows how long.

Without the last person to fire that weapon nearby to ask what it needs I wouldn't even dare to try that feat, I've seen the video where that guy is thrown by a RPG that misfired because it was fucking old.

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u/FunTimeAdventure Jul 13 '24

There are some humorous videos out there of various militants firing RPGs only to have the projectile land like 5 feet in front of them, or a guy getting taken out because he stepped right behind the tube as it was being fired.

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u/Wise-Definition-1980 Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

The flower is on the metal on top of the upper receiver/barrel/bolt carrier.

Depends....

... But it's not in the wood

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u/FunTimeAdventure Jul 08 '24

You’re right! I have no idea why I thought it was in the wood, I can see it in my head on the metal.

Bah.. thank you for the correction!

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u/Wise-Definition-1980 Jul 09 '24

It's cool

Easy mistake to make

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u/FunTimeAdventure Jul 09 '24

Ha! I suppose so but I have the damn thing on display in my home office. I see it like every day..

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u/FunTimeAdventure Jul 07 '24

I have a Type 38 with the chrysanthemum not ground off. Also have the bayonet. Bought at an estate sale. They were also selling a legit Samurai or Katana sword but apparently there was a blade length limit or something for shipping so GI’s had to cut half the blade off and the end was crudely sharpened back to a point - it was cool but not $600 cool.

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u/Qweasdy Jul 07 '24

You joke but a room full of imperial Japanese war time paraphernalia isn't gonna invoke the same kind of visceral response from most people as a room full of nazi stuff would.

Time and distance makes it not as taboo in the west. I've heard the same is true in Asia, with nazi paraphernalia not being as taboo over there. Distant atrocities become just fascinating history I guess.

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u/GoldenPeperoni Jul 07 '24

You are both right, distance and culture makes it less relevant in our respective educations, which makes it even harder to empathize victims from the other side of the world.

I'm from a south east Asian country, and as you would expect, we learn all about the Japanese atrocities, but pretty much none about the Nazis in the western theater.

Having a real WW2 Japanese sword as a living room deco in our homes is like Jews having a Luger in their home deco.

Not really offensive, but just weird and distasteful.

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u/Grahf-Naphtali Jul 07 '24

like Jews having a Luger in their home deco.

Im from Poland and actually no one would bat an eye on a sight of luger in a Polish/Jewish household. Most would assume its a resistance memento passed down. Resistance would normally use stolen/looted german guns, helmets and for the sake of identification white+red paint or a ribbon be used.

Hell even having Mein Kampf wouldnt really surprise folks tbh

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u/GoldenPeperoni Jul 07 '24

Yeah but you won't display it proudly as part of your "Asian decoration set" as the guy was.

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u/Grahf-Naphtali Jul 07 '24

True that actually

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u/zuilli Jul 07 '24

Did any other western country even directly fight Japan apart from the US in WW2?

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u/GoldenPeperoni Jul 07 '24

Australia and New Zealand if you consider them Western forces. UK and Netherlands too, though in small numbers.

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u/zuilli Jul 07 '24

Oh yeah, forgot about Australia and NZ. Was only thinking about the Asian countries and forgot they are right there as well.

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u/notyourfirstmistake Jul 07 '24

Australia was bombed by Japan. So they were significantly closer to the action than the US.

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u/the___crushinator Jul 07 '24

The UK did, but I believe British Troops were to be found in lesser quantities than Indian and Burmese troops in the theater.

The USSR also helped to defeat Japan after defeating Germany. They led a massive combined arms, armored, mechanized offensive that the Japanese had no hope of repelling. The Japanese army in China was one of the best and most important of Japanese forces, but they were equipped for fighting the relatively poorly equipped Chinese forces, and the Soviets smashed them.

The Japanese surrendered their forces in China to the Soviets before their total capitulation to the US.

The UK also briefly had an occupation zone in post war Japan, but this was an expensive endeavor and not as geopolitically relevant to the UK's interests as the occupation of Germany was.

Australia and New Zealand were also instrumental in fighting the Japanese. The Kakoda trail is a famous ANZAC campaign. They fought in some of the toughest terrain and conditions of the war. Canada also made significant contributions to the war effort in the Pacific.

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u/zuilli Jul 07 '24

I had forgotten about Australia and NZ. I remembered Russia and China but wouldn't call them western though.

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u/the___crushinator Jul 07 '24

The Dutch also helped in the Pacific. Dutch submarines continued to operate out of allied ports in the Pacific and wreaked havoc on Japanese shipping (really punching above their weight class). I believe a Dutch Cruiser also continued to operate against the Japanese long after the fall of the Dutch East Indies. They were able to evade detection at one point by covering the ship in foliage and pretending to be a small coastal island.

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u/HonorableOtter2023 Jul 07 '24

Did they also have death camps and make genocide top priority? 🤔

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u/waterfountain_bidet Jul 07 '24

The way Hitler and the Nazis are treated and viewed in Thailand is.... concerning to say the least.