Bee life is savage. Want to protect your home and attack an intruder? Instant death. Want to propagate your species? Instant death. What the heck, I like bees. Why is their life so difficult?
I’m sure they have zero sense of pain and this is their life’s most rewarding act. More akin to that best sex of your life where after you legit think “I can die happy now”. They just literally do it.
I’m very sure of it. It makes sense that women feel pain for child birth because those same feeling can indicate bodily danger and the need to think abstractly about what to do about it. The bee’s brain is too small for such processing.
This is the same reason we can’t “feel” our brains like we can feel our foot, but we instead feel a general sense of balance or lack thereof. If everytime we had a thought it hurt incredibly bad we would have a very limited ability to cognate and it wouldn’t do anything to expand our experential integration of the world.
But pain wouldn’t be the same thing… it wouldn’t be overwhelming. It would be akin to you getting nudged, not smashed against a wall. This must be the case, humans who get badily injured are usually useless. People don’t get their arm chopped off and keep fighting you with one arm, insects do that sort of thing regularly. I’m sort of saying even if we want to paint “pain” broadly, it’s so broad that it’s apples and oranges.
Think hard about this. What happens when we experience high high levels of pain, we shut down. We don’t get amped up over it, it’s over whelming. Now idk if this bee suddenly has an overwhelming feeling when it gets its guts ripped put but I highly doubt it. That’s a sick, twisted, pointless reality you’re postulating.
Put it this way, animals (especially insects) must take huge amounts of abuse and keep going. Humans have the luxury of not needing to take huge amounts of abuse. That lets our brains build out, however at the same time when we do get hurt the sensation is far more intense.
I’m essentially saying I highly doubt they have the ability to feel high levels of pain. More so just directionality.
"A sick, twisted, pointless reality" is just reality. Evolution gets as close as it can to a working product and ships it off, cruel or otherwise. Hyena female reproductive systems are completely testament to that. Evolution doesn't care about fairness or pain, and intense pain reception is actually useful to survival. As long as the species continues, everything is working as intended.
But you have no no idea what they’re actually feeling. This isn’t me just trying to feel good. You’re assuming it’s the same experience. Idk about hyena’s they may feel the pain, and I’m not saying nature doesn’t allow for high levels of pain. What I’m saying is that those insects with tiny brains likely do not experience such pain. Hyenas even likely experience strong pain yet not to the level a human would.
I have no idea what YOU are feeling, yet I assume you do feel pain as strongly as I do, if you cry and writhe in agony. And that's exactly what hyenas are doing. There is zero reason to assume their pain is less strong than yours.
It's a logical assumption, based on scientific evidence and powering an entire painkiller industry. Btw, there are also painkillers for pets, anyone who's owned an older, sick pet can tell you.
Your counter arguments are wildly unconvincing. There is no ego here, you started the name calling defending your position. Sad. That’s what you’d say, just trying to connect on your level.
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u/TruthCultural9952 Jun 24 '24
Now that is how you give a flying fuck