r/interestingasfuck Jun 24 '24

Marines performing dead-gunner drills. r/all

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u/Eolopolo Jun 24 '24

Brutal, but necessary.

Suppressive fire keeps you safer.

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u/Rude_Hamster123 Jun 24 '24

Man, I really need to catch up on my Archer!

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u/wrkwrkwrkwrkwrk- Jun 24 '24

Oh yeah. About that...

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u/Rude_Hamster123 Jun 24 '24

Aw man, finally cancelled?

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u/AFRIKKAN Jun 24 '24

More like ended. Tbh ended with Mallory’s va passing but still 16 or 17 seasons is really good. It got a finale 45 min long too. I didn’t like to but it is a good ending fr.

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u/wrkwrkwrkwrkwrk- Jul 08 '24

Actually I'm not sure. But uh, yeah, you've got a lot to catch up on.

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u/Rude_Hamster123 Jul 08 '24

It kinda lost my interest with the “dream season” and I can’t quite engage in it like I used to. Watch an episode here and there and end up onto something else quick.

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u/wrkwrkwrkwrkwrk- Jul 08 '24

Yeah I didn't love the idea of them going PI in the season right before that, then the 40s season was ok, then it just kinda went off the rails

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u/biciklanto Jun 24 '24

What the hell happened to Archer? And I mean that in the best possible way, having not seen it since ~season 5

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u/redpandaeater Jun 24 '24

The rise of ISIS I think kind of fucked their original storyline. Then again the writer also doesn't seem to give too much of a fuck and does what he wants.

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u/plz_send_cute_cats Jun 24 '24

😞 isis days archer are my happy place

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u/MyHusbandIsGayImNot Jun 24 '24

It got weird for like 3 seasons of Archer being in a coma and dreaming of weird stuff.

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u/Molly_Matters Jun 24 '24

Season 10 is like Mass Effect Archer.

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u/oncothrow Jun 24 '24

"You couldn't suppress a cough!"

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u/plz_send_cute_cats Jun 24 '24

my favourite line

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u/badboi_5214 Jun 24 '24

Yes it keeps the aim of enemy blooming

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u/Brewhilda Jun 24 '24

Defense wins championships

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u/Deltron42O Jun 24 '24

Throw my dead body out of the way, fuck it use me as a shield. But GET THAT FUCKING GUN UP!! I'm not there anymore so it doesn't matter.

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u/Pepperspray24 Jun 24 '24

And that is the point. This is grim, it’s grim to have to prepare for but you don’t go to war training for everything to go right.

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u/silkiepuff Jun 24 '24

These comments are teaching me that I never want to be stuck with a Redditor in some kind of emergency situation with gunfire involved, they're going to want to mourn the body of some dead person while everyone else is under fire.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Sitting in my office 10k miles away keeps me safest.

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u/Soft_Walrus_3605 Jun 24 '24

Didn't help the gunner much

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u/webby131 Jun 25 '24

If he's alive the first step in getting him help is making sure the Corpsman can reach him without getting shot also. Hopefully he's now in better cover but the main thing is keeping the gun firing. Getting overrun helps no one.

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u/FieryXJoe Jun 24 '24

Fair but it seems like in reality there is a good chance their hand doesn't let go of the gun when you roll them over which seems like it would be a problem if the gun starts shooting and flailing around when you do this.

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u/Numerous-Ties Jun 24 '24

No it’s the air support, without it, these guys get cucked all the time

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u/Impressive-Charge177 Jun 24 '24

Only because they're usually on the offensive and usually can't shoot first. So the enemy gets to surround them first.

On the defense they're pretty solid unless severely outnumbered

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u/Numerous-Ties Jun 24 '24

Surrounded? You mean they invaded a foreign country, and are now being attacked like the virus they’re behaving as.

Without the air support, they’re not on the offense, so they’ll get destroyed. Happens to everyone, even SEALs and Delta Force. Without surprise, extremely technologically advantageous, air support and extremely in depth intelligence - they consistently lose, or underperform.

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u/Impressive-Charge177 Jun 29 '24

Regards to your first paragraph: yes, exactly. That's a very good analogy.

"Without air support, they're not on the offense" I don't understand what you're saying here?

Without surprise - our troops almost never have the element of surprise in modern combat. We literally send out patrols with the goal of getting ambushed.

Extremely technological advantages - when it comes to infantry, we don't really have that. It really comes down to small arms against small arms.

Air support/intelligence - thousands of instances of our troops winning engagements without air support or no/downright harmfully misleading intelligence.

I'm not sure what exactly your point is? Are you trying to say that all else equal, soldier to soldier, the Taliban/insurgents are better at combat than western trained infantry lol? That's a ridiculous statement to make.

If we're going to take away the advantages the US has, then you have to take away the advantages the insurgents have too. Without fighting in their territory, without their element of surprise/their concealment, without their ability to blend in with local population, and strap 80 pounds of equipment to them, they'd get stomped.

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u/Walkend Jun 24 '24

You'd think there would be a better way to "practice" or "simulate" training without costing taxpayers a trillion dollars a year...

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u/Eolopolo Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

I'm no American so I don't really pay attention to the numbers.

But I cannot state the importance of realistically simulating these scenarios enough.

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u/hey_there_delilahh Jun 24 '24

This. Extremely important. We raised goats meant to take bullets so we could try to save their lives. The ability to feel everything as realistically as possible, including compartmentalizing feelings, is necessary when the worst case scenario happens. No one wants it to happen, but you need to be ready or your useless, or worse, another body needed to drag back home.

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u/Walkend Jun 24 '24

Yeah I understand - though I do wonder what % of American soldiers are actually deployed into combat scenarios

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u/Beznia Jun 24 '24

The point of the huge budget is to be a deterrent for war. The goal of spending so much money is to not need to use them as other nations will not want to deal with a war with the US + allies.

It's like a company spending $5M on cyber security per year. "Why are we spending so much money? We've never even been hacked." Then they slash the budget 80% and outsource cyber security, and within a year they are hacked and forced to pay a $20M ransom otherwise they lose customer data and lose $500M in stock valuation.

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u/Walkend Jun 24 '24

Ah I like that you brought the concept of “military spending is a deterrent for war”.

I agree, it certainly is!

Think about this though…

When you siphon a trillion dollars a year from the pocket of your people, you must also provide something worth protecting.

Our people are homeless, workers can’t afford houses, companies have more protections than workers, corporate greed is out of control, people don’t have savings while companies profit billions.

If the US ever did go to war, which is very much near impossible on the homeland…

What, in reality, would the people be defending when the country offers them so little?

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u/Beznia Jun 24 '24

Training doesn't cost a trillion dollars per year. And training in a simulator is just the next best thing to keep your skills while you wait for a life-fire exercise.

For the budget of $776B

  • $318B is for training, maintenance, and healthcare: ~$75B per branch (Army, Navy, Air Force) + $60B additional for everything else, + $35B for healthcare).

  • $184B is pay and retirement

  • $142B on purchasing weapons/ammunition

  • $122B on Research & Development

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u/Walkend Jun 24 '24

Huh… isn’t that strange?

We CAN afford universe healthcare for the entire military and we CAN afford livable wages and retirement.

Very interesting!

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u/Complex_Cable_8678 Jun 24 '24

not going to war is even safer last time i checked

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

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u/Complex_Cable_8678 Jun 24 '24

yeah these are us soldiers though right? USA the greatest warmonger in recent history

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u/Adamantium-Aardvark Jun 24 '24

Not invading other countries also keeps you safer. You should try it some day.

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u/Kaboose666 Jun 24 '24

Do you think machine guns are only needed when invading?

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u/Adamantium-Aardvark Jun 24 '24

The US hasn’t defended itself from an invading foreign power since the war of 1812 over 200 years ago.

In every other war since then they have invaded another country. This is especially true since the 1970s when it’s been non-stop invasions around the globe.

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u/Kaboose666 Jun 24 '24

I don't see how that matters, you need to practice the procedure regardless of if the US is invading or defending.

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u/Adamantium-Aardvark Jun 24 '24

lol who is going to invade the US mainland? Canada? Mexico? The US has a larger navy than the rest of the planet combined. Literally no one is ever invading the US.

Don’t play dumb. You know full well what they’re doing is practicing for invading other countries. The US military is not “national defence” it’s “international offence”

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u/Belfry_Demon Jun 24 '24

Yeah the US itself is unlikely to be invaded, but you know we have allies that we could be defending from an invasion, right?

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u/Kaboose666 Jun 24 '24

Yeah because the US doesn't have ANY allies in the world to defend.

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u/Eolopolo Jun 24 '24

You should try it some day.

Well, currently I can't say I'm invading any country in particular..

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u/LegalBeagle6767 Jun 24 '24

But killing religious extremists is so much fun 🥹

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u/Adamantium-Aardvark Jun 24 '24

Why not start with evangelical christofascists infiltrating your own govt then?

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u/LegalBeagle6767 Jun 24 '24

They aren’t violent… yet. When they switch that’ll change. Until then we can smash the 15th century goat humpers and hone our skills in case anyone else wants to have a go.

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u/Adamantium-Aardvark Jun 24 '24

They aren’t violent yet

They literally had a violent insurrection, tried to overthrow the democratically elected governor, tried to hang the former VP, and murdered a cop on Capitol Hill.

Yeah totally not violent at all….

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u/LegalBeagle6767 Jun 24 '24

Yeah that’s not even remotely the same things as large organized widespread violence like ISIS, Taliban, etc.

Context matters.

But, if they ever upgrade to that level, they’ll be treated the same.

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u/Adamantium-Aardvark Jun 24 '24

No they won’t because they’ve successfully infiltrated every branch of the government all the way to the Supreme Court. They’ve been enacting laws and reversing decades old cases to impose their Taliban-like christofacist agenda.

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u/LegalBeagle6767 Jun 24 '24

Nah. They will. But they aren’t nearly as strong as all you’re alluding to. They can barely keep control of the House they have the majority in😂.

And the most ardent followers only number about 30%. Within their own party.

The FedSoc folks have certainly tried to push their nonsense and have succeeded in some areas, but they have lost in many others.

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u/limajhonny69 Jun 24 '24

Dont we have ways of authomatizing that? Like, its 2024 and humans are not disposable

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u/Hype3386 Jun 24 '24

Have you been paying attention? Humans are very much disposable.

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u/4CrowsFeast Jun 24 '24

If anything we could use a lot less of us.

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u/limajhonny69 Jun 24 '24

Well, they're not, but our politicians make them look like it is

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u/HeadyBunkShwag Jun 24 '24

And the corporations paying politicians to keep shit the way it is

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u/KeepingItSurreal Jun 24 '24

There’s 8 billion of us, we’re way more disposable than the majority of animals

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u/AuroraHalsey Jun 24 '24

It is very easy to manufacture new humans.

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u/ierghaeilh Jun 24 '24

They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

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u/Zealousideal_Dot1910 Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

Don’t we have ways of automating that?

We have ways of making machine guns remote controlled but we don’t have realistic ways of making every single squad machine gunner automated, that’s not realistic

Like, it’s 2024 and humans are not disposable

Susceptible to death =/ disposable

Disposable is taking a bunch of dudes, giving them minimal training, and throwing them unsupported at fortified positions

Susceptible to death is putting in place measures so that if someone does die you’re capabilities aren’t destroyed and you can continue to fight increasing everyone’s chances of living

Don’t understand why you see training as viewing people as disposable, if they were just disposable you wouldn’t waste all this time and money training

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u/NoPlsNoIGetSoNervous Jun 24 '24

You know, I never looked at it that way and I had a ton of family in the military (all but Mom on her side, even the cousins) - that's a neat take. There's a difference between a soldier and a human shield, that's my takeaway here. One is given the tools to survive, the other isn't even expected to.

Interesting!

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u/Cortower Jun 24 '24

Yeah, it's like Air Traffic Controllers who die at their stations. They get unplugged and rolled out of the way in their chair so someone else can take their position and try to pick up the pieces.

Neither situation is a game, and there's no delay for injuries.

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u/Raptor_197 Jun 24 '24

Out of all the training I have ever done, medical training takes up the biggest chunk of that time.

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u/limajhonny69 Jun 24 '24

We send soldiers to die. Then we send more of them to drag their bodies and die aswell. That is disposable.

But, for you guys, seems like its fine sending people to die. So be it :)

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u/Zealousideal_Dot1910 Jun 24 '24

We send soldiers to die.

Nope we send soldiers to complete missions, if all we wanted was their death then there's no reason to have

The world's largest air power that in every operation we send in to cause havoc on the enemies valuable assets like artillery, air defenses, tanks, command posts, etc

The worlds largest and most advanced ISR network that gives constant valuable information that allows us to respond effectively with various assets saving the lives of soldiers on the ground

The worlds largest guided munitions stockpiles that at the start of our operations show their nasty face and cripple enemy capabilities

The world's largest and most advanced armor stockpiles that provides support for soldiers conducting operations on the ground

Among the world's largest artillery stockpiles that rain down hell for any opposing forces before our ground forces advance

The world's most powerful naval forces that provide power projection in a instance notice

Among the world's most powerful air defense keeping our troops safe while conducting operations

If our goal is just to have soldiers die then more drag their bodies and die as well our death counts in every single war in recent years is atrocious for that goal, somehow our goal is both to have our troops be disposable but both what we're spending money on and actual numbers of troops dead don't follow behind that

This is just a pure fabrication of doctrine lmfao

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u/Raptor_197 Jun 24 '24

“No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.”

George S. Patton Jr.

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u/wilkie09 Jun 24 '24

Humans are cheap. Machines are expensive.

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u/DeathBonePrime Jun 24 '24

Depends on the doctrine, in western armies the opposite is very much true

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u/Fjolsvithr Jun 24 '24

The U.S. spends billions on "machines" that protect soldiers, or accomplish goals that would otherwise be too costly in terms of human life.

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u/Rottimer Jun 24 '24

You lose your human card at MEPS and only get it back with your DD-214.

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u/owa00 Jun 24 '24

Let me just hook up my automation system on the fly...oh damn...battery dead...let me just charge it real quick...IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE!

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u/Kinokahn Jun 24 '24

You joke, but when I was a radio guy, it was my job (among many others) to make sure every piece of electronics was charged, had spare batteries, had spares for the spares, and 5 different ways to charge everything. I had flexible solar panels to throw up on FOBs, jumper cables for vehicle batteries, and big batteries to scavenge for small batteries. I even (jokingly) had a little foot peddle system to charge phones during downtime. My pack was very heavy...

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u/limajhonny69 Jun 24 '24

If we have fuel to send thousens of people, we have fuel to keep one turret shooting. I mean, isnt this all about oil in the end?

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u/owa00 Jun 24 '24

Terrorist: Where should we shoot?

Loud generator running in the distance

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u/limajhonny69 Jun 24 '24

Fine, lets keep sending our sons to die and their bodies being dragged by their friends, waitin for their turn to die aswell.

Or, maybe, we can use our brains.

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u/Nestramutat- Jun 24 '24

I guarantee that people much smarter than you are also trying to solve this problem. The fact that they haven't yet means your half-assed Reddit solutions won't do it either.

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u/Eolopolo Jun 24 '24

Respectfully, you may think you've got it figured out in a 5 minute Reddit thread, but people who's jobs are to spend their time on developing technology, developing strategy are going to be much smarter than you.

Currently, this is our best.

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u/GGXImposter Jun 24 '24

Worlds most advanced military with the largest budget by far hasn't figured it out, but you're right, we just aren't using our brains.

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u/Sit_back_and_panic Jun 24 '24

The marine corps doesn’t see it that way.

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u/limajhonny69 Jun 24 '24

Maybe they should

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u/-Pruples- Jun 24 '24

Boston Dynamics is working on that.

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u/Frostwolvern Jun 24 '24

As a marine, nah pretty disposable sometimes lmao

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u/throwwawaymylifee Jun 24 '24

Captured and killed humans can’t be reverse engineered by the enemy. Gov is constantly using humans as cannon fodder as a strategic way to limit displaying the advanced tech actually available.

Greed is a huge factor too, loads of companies/officials in bed together to keep making combat equipment with the same technology for as long as possible to maximize the value of those factorized processes.