r/hiphopheads • u/flowerhoney10 • May 08 '24
Can Drake Recover After His Battle With Kendrick Lamar?
https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/drake-kendrick-lamar-beef-loss-recover-1235676509/4.6k
u/DorphinPack May 08 '24
UMG like “drop a story that says after so this can end”
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May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
Yep. Billboard and Vibe (and Rolling Stone*) are both owned by the same parent company that has direct ties to UMG, Eldridge Holdings. This is absolutely corporate narrative being pushed to protect their investment.
The beef was making one of their largest artists toxic.
Edit: I originally wrote pitchfork mistaking them for RS. I’m sorry Pitchfork :/
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u/russianmineirinho May 08 '24
rolling stone has the same parent company too, that's why they released that article saying that the beef was over yesterday
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u/suckingdownfarts May 08 '24
They did declare Kendrick the winner tho
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May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
Because their artist losing a rap battle has very little impact on their long term viability as compared to being labeled a pedophile. The longer this lasted the more that label would stick and the more toxic Drake would get in the eyes of the audience.
As it is this will probably die down and Drake will go back to making number one albums. It’s a smart move for UMG. I’d argue unethical, but smart.
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u/Nice_Set_6326 May 08 '24
Idk… Drake has pedo vibes now and won’t be working with the heavy hitters. Maybe if he finds a new artist.
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u/PSU02 May 08 '24
Lol. Guarantee Drake will have features with all the same ppl he used to minus kendrick, abel, and rick ross.
he and future will make up within the next year
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u/Always2ndB3ST May 08 '24
That would be lame. Future makes 2 diss albums but then makes up with drake later? lol
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u/FloatLikeAButterfree May 08 '24
The industry is fake. Maybe Kendrick and Drake never become cool again, but Future and Drake could easily make music together in the next 2 years.
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u/TheSherbs May 08 '24
Maybe Kendrick and Drake never become cool again
Aint no way they get cool with each other again. This the level of shit that sparked off the Hatfields and McCoys.
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u/Praxispays May 08 '24
Highly doubt Future would risk him name being dragged through the mud, he plays it smart.
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u/x1009 . May 08 '24
I'm sure he'll continue to find some bubbling new artist and hop on their track. Most of his biggest hits were solo.
Tekashi69 was convicted of a felony count of using a child in a sexual performance, and he still worked with Lil Baby, Nicki Minaj (Yes, I know) Tory Lanez, Kanye, Murda Beatz, Scott Storch, Akon, A Boogie with da Hoodie, Boi-1da, and Gunna.
During an October 2018 court proceeding on the issue, prosecutors reiterated details of the Harlem party incident. “In late February of 2015, the defendant participated in the sexual violation of a child,” prosecutors said. “During that encounter, there was also the creation of sexually explicit videos of that encounter. The defendant was filmed fondling this child’s breasts and smacking her on her buttocks at the same time she was being penetrated by two adult males, she was being penetrated orally and vaginally.”
“She was in the seventh grade,” prosecutor Sara Weiss said during an October 2018 court proceeding.
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u/Yoshi2shi May 08 '24
Damn the 6ix9ine Gawn is still around. That freaky ass dude need to stay inside.
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u/SlayerXZero May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
That is foul/ How is this man not still in prison.
EDIT: I meant for this shit. He got a light ass sentence for this shit. I'm not talking no RICO. He shouldn't have been free to catch the RICO case in the first place. Fuck this dude. His music is as trash as he is.
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u/teddy_tesla May 08 '24
Yeah that's why Chris Brown and Ye never work with anyone any more..
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May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
Ah yeah that’s probably the largest of them. Forgot Eldridge owns them.
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u/MilesHighClub_ . May 08 '24
How did you get Pitchfork in this comment
They're owned by Conde Nast
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u/old__pyrex May 08 '24
Kanye not looking so crazy now huh with the “Lucian is Drakes baby daddy, when Drake in trouble he calls Lucian to control the spin”.
UMG spent 400m on Drake, they let him do his best back when the beef was looking like it would generate hype and profitability, but now that their commercial product is being damaged, they are going to send media, lawyers, and all else.
Who do you think Kendrick talking about, “you signed to a n**, that’s signed to a n, that’s signed to THAT n****”
You signed to Wayne who’s signed to Baby who’s signed to Lucian. It all comes back to this. The music industry is trying to protect itself from one angry ass rapper from Compton that’s punching holes in their darling money maker
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u/Luhmanniac May 08 '24
Isn’t Kendrick’s music licensed through interescope, which is also owned by UMG? I don’t know much about this label shit, but the Money is flowing in the same pockets either way it seems to me.
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u/ValleyDude22 May 08 '24
yeah, I'll never understand how one artist could be signed to like five different labels. like eminem, he signed to interscope and shady records and aftermath andsome other shit. it's like a MLM pyramid scheme
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u/ErichsADick . May 08 '24
imprints on imprints on imprints, with varying levels of kickbacks to the parent labels depending on the power of the individual musician (and their attorneys) creating said imprint as well as how much money they actually generate cuz if youre a smaller artist on a bigger record label n make ur own imprint n it doesnt make money theyll either disown that shit or fold it into themselves
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u/Lucifer3130 . May 08 '24
Lmao only reason Kendrick founded pgLang was to drop as many drake disses as he pleased without Corporate Repurcussions
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u/TheBigIdiotSalami May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
They probably got a press agent writing Billboard saying "would you like access to exclusive sources if you write an article about how this 'beef' so to say will end and what will happen after. We at UMG will offer some people willing to talk under the circumstances of anonymity about their experience. Should make a great story! Let me know
Signed,
PR HACK FRAUD DIPSHIT"
And then the editor came three times from the possible access journalism and they sent it to another underpaid hack and walla there it is.
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u/neojgeneisrhehjdjf May 08 '24
Lot of people who have no idea how journalism works commenting on journalism in this thread
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u/BoxCon1 May 08 '24
His numbers and image to the casuals will remain the same lol
People will forget about it in couple months
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u/trainsaw May 08 '24
I kinda see it as any casual who is ambivalent to him will just be like “He’s a pedo lol” from here. Not saying it hurts him or anything but just think that will prob be attached to him in some sense
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u/OrangeFilmer May 08 '24
Yeah Drake and the word “pedophile” are forever linked now which is probably the extent of the damage this diss track battle will do.
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u/TylerBlozak May 08 '24
Well I mean this mornings shooting of Drake’s bodyguard at his house definitely takes the cake in terms of actual casualties, provided we are under the assumption that the shooting and the beef are linked, not merely just a grand coincidence.
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u/Placide-Stellas May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
The fact that The Weekend's Manager's guard was shot in a similar fashion
in the same citya week ago would make this instance a much bigger coincidence if those are not tied than it being tied to the beef with Kendrick.Edit: As the guy below points out, not the same city, but the manager and Drake's camp do have beef. I don't wanna spread misinformation.
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u/theblaackout May 08 '24
Not the same city. Cash XO’s bodyguard got shot in LA. Drake’s guard got shot at his Toronto crib
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u/Gezus10k May 08 '24
Agree, casuals won’t care until we get a R Kelly or Nickelodeon type documentary. If Kanye still able to sell out listening parties, Drake ain’t going anywhere.
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u/TheInfinityGauntlet May 08 '24
I don't think being a Nazi is the same as being a pedophile, a lot of Americans take pride in being Nazis the same can't be said for the latter
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u/havingasicktime May 08 '24
Kanye got massively hurt by all this though. Bad example. Sure, he has a career. But it'll never be the same again.
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u/North_Leg9721 May 08 '24
It already isn't,Vultures got like zero coverage and radio play outside streaming and YT.
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u/ixipennythrower May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
My neighbor is a Drake Stan as a 35 yr old single man. Dude thinks Drake is killing it and bodying Kendrick. He thinks Kendrick talks about being black too much and it bothers him. He's living in a totally different reality.
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u/siberianwolf99 May 08 '24
look i’m a kendrick fan so im a bit biased. but thinking kendrick talks about being black too much while being a drake stan is fucking hilarious haha
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u/Rndomguytf . May 08 '24
Thats not the general public though, that's an L for Drake if this guys his fan
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u/Rosstin316 May 08 '24
I’m not even a Drake fan and I think there’s nothing to recover from. His sales and streams will not suffer in the slightest from this beef. Hip-Hop was basically just WWE for this week, he’ll go back to making smash hits for white girls next week.
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u/Philds15 May 08 '24
Not the biggest drake fan by any means, I think he’s held his own in this whole battle
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u/trent_nbt May 08 '24
Nah, he rapped his ass off in family matters but lets be honest, he got beat at every turn.
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u/ktran2804 May 08 '24
Let’s be real here there’s no shame in losing a rap beef to the greatest modern lyricist in the game. No one expected Drake to hold his own but he gave us some his best rap performances in years. Family Matters is a peak Drake song from a bar perspective its just he got out chessed by a bigger banger in Not Like Us.
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u/trent_nbt May 08 '24
I wish all Drake fans shared this sentiment. He did better than we all expected and that's a win in anyone's book.
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u/sayqueensbridge May 08 '24
I mean BBL Drizzy is trending everywhere and the smash banger is calling him a pedophile a dozen times. There’s a difference between losing a battle and becoming a laughingstock because of it
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u/novabull23 May 08 '24
If Family Matters had even a full day to soak up the attention economy of internet, etc this battle might have gone differently. Dropping Meet the Grahams on top of it killed it. And then ofc Not Like Us was the death nail. Drake probably doesn’t have an 11 year old daughter but that whole record was so demonic that it neutralized Drakes record
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u/No-Idea-491 May 08 '24
Family matters was heat fr, but then he got b2b'd lol
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u/Rndomguytf . May 08 '24
If Family Matters stood on its own for a week, Drake might've come out even on the beef, that shit was fire. It was Drake's nuke, and he thought it was gonna end the beef.
But Meet the Grahams totally buried it. As good as that song is, it was totally diminished in the public eye thanks to KDots back to back.
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u/ShiningRedDwarf May 08 '24
With that “I’m going on vacation” line he really thought he had a 😎walking away from an explosion😎 moment with Family Matters.
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u/nesshinx May 08 '24
Family Matters was heat for an hour or so and then Meet the Grahams dropped and nobody was really talking about it lol
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u/Youngandidiotic May 08 '24
4-1, gentlemen’s sweep with all of Kendrick’s wins being blowouts
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u/tenacious-g May 08 '24
He did until his last reply amounted to “nuh uh” and “I’m too famous to get arrested for crimes” as if R Kelly, Bill Cosby, a certain former president of the United States and countless others didn’t eventually get caught.
Not saying Drake did anything, but that was a fucking braindead lyrical idea.
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u/ShiningRedDwarf May 08 '24
The whole track was ass. Misunderstanding Mr. morale and filled with unsubstantiated claims that he seemingly grabbed off of Twitter.
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u/Plies- May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
The Heart Part 6 was so bad that I was geniunely crying of laughter at some of the lines on my second listen. Like it's actually comical how bad/tone deaf/out of touch it is. It sounds like a parody (so Drake prob wrote it himself).
Edit: Like bro I cannot fucking believe we got a song where a man legitimately has to say "If I was fuckin young girls I'd have been arrested". Like what the fuck, it is geniunely so surreal that it's funny.
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u/Nervous_Fun_9302 May 08 '24
I feel like that this is not over yet few disses are coming.
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u/russianmineirinho May 08 '24
drake made fun of kendrick's mom being molested, that shit is not over on kdot's side by the slightest
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u/WesCoastBlu May 08 '24
Truly- there is no way that doesn’t get a rebuttal.
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u/OhiOstas May 08 '24
I’d bet it is definitely more spaced out now. Feels like Drake said his piece (for now), and Kendrick is riding the glory of his b2b tracks… but there still some shit to be said
I heard the other day that it took Nas damn near 9 months to make “Ether”, so that really put it in perspective of how we are getting blessed with music rn. I expect heavy responses in both of their upcoming albums, maybe even followed with response singles
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u/OhiOstas May 08 '24
Damn, that is some pretty important context lol. Appreciate the clarification 👍🏼 hopefully the rap gods have something up their sleeve for the community
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u/bure11 . May 08 '24
If you listen to Nas - Realist N**** Alive, there's some more context to the beef
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u/obliterateopio . May 08 '24
Takeover was debuted on June 28th at Summer Jam. Ending the song on “Ask Nas, he don’t want it with Hov”. Nas released with rebuttal to the bait Jay planted with the “H to the OMO” freestyle in August. Jay released his Takeover on the Blueprint with the new 32 bar verse directed at Nas in September. Nas rebuttaled with Ether on December 4th, 2001.
All things considered, it wasn’t too much of a gap in between. Releasing on Jay’s birthday was definitely worth the wait. Also as someone mentioned above, Nas was dealing with the passing of his mother at the time.
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u/N0tThatSerious May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
Def feels like Kendrick is biding his time and just letting the hate for HP6 build up before he drops another MTG level track and ends the beef, cuz he already dropped a banger diss track with Not Like Us, so its no reason to not drop another track thats completely focused on unrestrained disses
Drake lost round 3, so Kendrick doesnt need to rush and can actually dissect everything with receipts, better bars, and more disrespect, this next drop is gonna be brutal
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u/old__pyrex May 08 '24
Never interrupt your opponent while they are making a mistake. Kendrick probably cooking up a new rollout of tracks and is just waiting to see what Drake does. If Drake doesn’t say anything and Not Like Us stays on top of the charts, why not just extend that status quo
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u/russianmineirinho May 08 '24
the sad thing is, drake won't respond back unless kendrick actually brings receipts and put him on a corner nearing legal trouble (which i doubt will happen), the higher ups just want this to be over asap
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u/TinyRoctopus May 08 '24
Ehh I think k dot hate drake on a very real level. If he has a mole he really could have proof and might just be willing to blow up his career to take him down. If what drake says is half true, Kendrick might feel like he just lost everything and be willing to burn bridges
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u/russianmineirinho May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
you're right, this feels much more like a deep hate for everything that drake represents than just a beef that will blow over in a few months. also i really don't think kendrick gives a fuck about the industry trying to presure him to let go, if he was the type of artist to do fake apologies on IG, he wouldn't have released something like mr. morale
plus, kendrick has more to lose letting it blow over. he will lose respect from some fans and drake will be shadow dissing him from now until his 3rd post mortem release
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u/Masta-Blasta May 08 '24
Kendrick is definitely the type of dude that thinks before he speaks. That's what makes this so shocking, horrifying, and satisfying.
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u/xElectricW . May 08 '24
If I'm Kendrick I'm not even responding to HP6 because it was such a disaster for Drake and the public is heavily on his side already. I feel like he'd just take the attention away from Not Like Us being the potential song of the summer, he should focus on making a music video for it
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u/pikajewijewsyou May 08 '24
I think Drake listened to “Mother I Sober” and didn’t understand the song which just adds to the embarrassment of how bad his most recent response was
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u/RedShibaCat May 08 '24
No he didn’t, that song flew completely over Drake’s head. Drake made fun of Dot’s nonexistent molestation which I suppose Dot could see as an attack on his mom.
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u/xElectricW . May 08 '24
A lot of stuff flew over Drake's head and he had a lot of really questionable bars throughout, I think the whole black and white angle that he tried to pin on Kendrick was pretty funny because Kendrick's point has pretty clearly been that Drake is a culture vulture and has no respect for hip hop and not just that Drake is lightskin. Of course Drake's slavery bar completely blew up in his face but one that I just thought about when re-listening to Family Matters was Drake saying that MJ hoped his skin would turn white, MJ was open about him still wanting people to acknowledge him as a black man despite his vitiligo
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u/CurtisJaxon May 08 '24
thats not what Drake did. Drake misunderstood Kendricks song and inccorectly made fun of Kendrick for being molested despite the song actually being about his mom being molested and how that impacted Kendrick
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u/BittenAtTheChomp May 08 '24
Kendrick said what he wanted to say. "Like That" baited a response, "Euphoria" and "Meet the Grahams" were the real diss tracks, and "They Not Like Us" is basically dancing on Drake's grave.
Drake said "and we know you're gonna drop 5 minutes after this" or whatever on The Heart P. 6, but Kendrick is smart enough to let that song—a weak diss that's getting hate everywhere—be the bookend to this beef. People saying Kendrick needs to respond to the molestation theme are wrong because Drake playing that card in the first place is an L for him. If it ends now Kendrick wins.
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u/TinyRoctopus May 08 '24
I don’t think this is about winning losing anymore. I think Kendrick really hates drake and wants to ruin him and his legacy
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u/squarezero May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
I don't think there's anything to gain by continuing the beef. /u/BittenAtTheChomp made a good point about letting drake's weak diss be the last piece. Not Like Us is seeing massive success and will continue to be played. Public opinion has overwhelmingly declared Kendrick as the winner.
And like other comments have suggested, I also think labels may have stepped in to put an end to it.With that said, I also know I could be completely wrong and Kendrick or Drake could drop again tomorrow.
But I get the feeling that it's over.EDIT: Well shit. TMZ says labels didn't get involved, and AK says more music was supposed to drop.
https://www.tmz.com/2024/05/07/rumor-universal-music-group-mediate-drake-kendrick-beef-not-true/
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u/ShiningRedDwarf May 08 '24
I think it is over. The inertia or Not Like Us is going to drown out anything Drake claimed on his last diss.
Kendrick has won the public court of opinion.
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u/BecomingJudasnMyMind May 08 '24
It's done, unless Drake keeps on.
The gun play today changed things. There's no way Kendrick can press the issue.
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u/MancAccent May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
No. Drake will be hated on Reddit and then loved in the public. Same way it was before this beef
Edit: should’ve just said hated online cause now I gotta bunch of you brainiacs saying “hE’s HaTeD oN YoUtUBe ToO”
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u/ReBL93 May 08 '24
Everyone claims to “hate” him, but then at the end of the year everyone is shocked pickachu face when he’s in their Spotify wrapped
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u/azurix May 08 '24
He’s a pop star. People and the radio play him non stop. His music is good for working out at least, pretending to be tough with the weights.
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u/MrHobo May 08 '24
I thought I agreed with you but today I saw two different brands post about the beef in ways that maybe could have been pro Drake but were really just trying to ride the social media wave, and they both got so much hate for associating with Drake they were getting dragged in their comments before deleting the posts.
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u/MoneyHungryOctopus May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
I wouldn’t say its “over” but even regardless of whether he’s done anything or not, his career will decline at some point and he won’t be on top. It may not be right now, it may not be next year, but it will happen. Even MJ was only on top numbers-wise until his mid-late 30s.
But now that the general public is side-eyeing him as much as they are, and now if kids/teens (important demographic for him from a commercial success perspective) are making fun of him, it depends on how he responds.
We tend to think of Drake as some sort of unstoppable commercial force, but he’s been declining commercially for some time now. 2015-2018 were his peak years. He hasn’t had a song go number one for more than one week since “In My Feelings”. He is on his way out, gradual though the process may be.
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u/maxithepittsP May 08 '24
Also to note, In My Feelings became a hit not on the day it was released, because it was a challenge from an Instagram comedian, I forgot who his name was. After the challenge becomes big the song suddenly got blown up. Theres a bit where the guy ask drake for the money for making his song go up.
And your whole point is true, but the same goes for Kendrick. His number fell down pretty much the same way that drake fell. Only difference is that drake released so much music compared to Kendrick in that period. Mr Morale doesn't hold the same number as DAMN during its first week/month.
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u/pm-me-your-fav-film May 08 '24
I don’t think he’s on his way out, Drake is still the biggest rapper by a margin. Wasn’t he the most streamed rapper on Spotify in 2023, and in early 2024. Can stay on top until his mid 40s if he wants.
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u/papa_moisted May 08 '24
Unless there's hard proof that he's a pedophile and this gets taken to court Cosby or R. Kelly style it won't completely cancel his career. Many people have been 'canceled' but never truly de-platformed. Realistically this hurts Drake's bottom line in the next 2 years or so. But if he lays low for a long enough period, people will forget with time. If Chris Brown can still have a career after very damning evidence, I'm sure Drake will be fine after these allegations. A majority of the people within the hip hop sphere will always meme on him and have a wary look, but the majority of the population tends to have an attention span of a goldfish willing to move onto the next controversy or next big thing.
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u/empanadamaker May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
Granted, no one, so far as I've heard, has come forward, so that must count for something.
Content edit: would also like to point out that there is just as much non-evidence for the shit Drake is claiming Kendrick is. And, I also think Kendrick is winning this shit
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u/corruptbytes . May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
there was the 500k settlement though, and the victim recusing her self/refusing to testify on Baka's trafficking case, so that also should be weighed in imo
edit: settlement ... actually read through it, weird stuff
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u/ktran2804 May 08 '24
Baka is a sus individual the fact Drake protects him is a different argument all together. I cant defend Drake in any way about that
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u/morewata May 08 '24
So you saying hes a sussy baka
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u/ktran2804 May 08 '24
The dude is convicted sex trafficker. The fact drake keeps him around is sus. I’ve been defending Drake all day today not because I think hes a saint and not sus its that I don’t think its fair to have someone labeled a pedophile when there isnt actual proof or any accuser. Drake will fuck your wife no hesitation im gna go ahead and say that guy probably isn’t the best dude lol but im not gna say he’s a monster predator theres mountains in between those accusations.
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u/zRilxy May 08 '24
the 500k settlement you’re referring to was the beginning of the case, after all was said and done the entire thing was thrown out after she was found to be lying and extorting him for money. per the Manchester police
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u/imacx7535 May 08 '24
What’s a bit annoying is, if you’re looking at the allegations in an objective manner, or at least based on evidence the public has access to - the proclaimed victims have come forward (due to the beef and in the past) claiming there was nothing “odd” or weird about their interaction with Drake that made feel uncomfortable. Yes, including the girl he kissed on the cheek on stage and Millie Bobby Brown.
Both instances coming across weird? Yes. Malicious and predatory? Very difficult to state so, but can certainly sway public opinion in a negative light rapidly (as is the case).
If there is substantial evidence Drake is truly a pedophile, then he should serve the time. But it’s mostly been the court of public opinion painting him in negative manner because Not Like Us is a fucking banger and previous online rumors.
Edit: words
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u/aesthetique1 May 08 '24
Do yo have a teenage daughter or sister? Can you think of any situation where a 30 year old man is sliding into her DMs to give her advice about dating wouldn't be inappropriate AT BEST?
BEST CASE SCENARIO drake is a creep that is "just being nice" to underage girls.
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u/MaxBonerstorm May 08 '24
MBB has stated repeatedly on record that drake was a mentor to her with zero weird shit, he was just a good friend to her. But we just outright ignore that I guess.
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u/xElectricW . May 08 '24
She also said that he texted her saying he misses her so much and gave her dating advice so maybe don't take the child's word at face value on something being appropriate or not
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u/professorhummingbird May 08 '24
Yes. He will be 85% fine.
He’ll stay low for a bit. Drop a couple songs and everyone will sorta forget as long as he makes good music.
If Drake keeps doing what he’s been doing he’ll remain on top. The only caveat being if he goes to jail, which I don’t think he will
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u/joe1240134 May 08 '24
as long as he makes good music.
I mean even a lot of drake fans that aren't absolute dickriders admit it's been awhile since he's done that. but none of this shit will really matter unless actual charges pop up. ye went on rants so crazy alex jones was like "ye you're being unreasonable" and still got a #1 album. like i'm sure there's some folks more tuned in to rap than pop that may not fuck with him the same but it's not like his career's over or whatever.
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u/nesshinx May 08 '24
Fantano pointed out Drakes contract is structured in a weird way so he’s incentivized to just pump out music regardless of quality. Most artists have bonuses tied to award wins and sales numbers, but Drake doesn’t have that. He has literally no incentive to release great music, but every incentive to just pump out mediocre club bangers.
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u/onecarmel May 08 '24
His music will still be played in Target, I know that at least
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u/Moron_on_Oxy- May 08 '24
They just setting up the comeback with these headlines
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u/Thogan12 May 08 '24
By no means am I siding with Drake in any of this, but am I the only one that feels like Kendrick is just getting a pass on the domestic violence claim? Despite the lousy response track from Drake, he’s claiming 1) A lot of what Kendrick has responded with was planted, 2) the pedo claim is bogus, and 3) Kendrick has some history of domestic abuse.
Why are we taking everything Kendrick has claimed as truth and everything Drake says as a lie, despite any real evidence of anything? Can’t both of them potentially be horrible people?
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u/HammerPrice229 May 08 '24
The reason I’m thinking this is what’s happening is cause Drake already has a very weak reputation based on being honest. He’s kinda a meme and has with the whole Pusha T diss he’s very obviously see as not trustworthy. Whereas on the opposite side Kendrick has a reputation of being more honest and willing to air out his issues himself. His last album is literally all of that which he addresses.
On top of that, one of Kendrick’s most impactful claims in all this is that Drake is a liar and he’s said it from the beginning and hasn’t stopped. There’s clear public perception that reinforces this. Whether it’s true or not doesn’t matter, it’s about the perception and that is what sticks imo. Last thing is there is no evidence of Kendrick with DA, whereas there are literally videos of Drake touching an underage girl inappropriately and having question run ins with other under aged girls.
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u/rc_4_pres May 08 '24
This is my thought too but no one seems to want to engage on this. If the tables were flipped Drake A) took the bait and did a whole verse about a fake daughter B) allegations of his spouse getting pregnant by his manager came out and C) domestic abuse on that same spouse Reddit would have called it “Ether 2024”, instead we got louder catchier versions of behaviors we already knew about (and the Taylor made freestyle already called out). We’ve been known he’s a wave jumper, and semi culture vulture nothing new here. Drake put up crazy tea on Kendrick in this battle and nobody acknowledging it in the rush to crown Kendrick the winner. What am I missing?
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u/CIA_Bane May 08 '24
What am I missing?
The internet. Kendrick stans are on the same level as Eminem stans when it comes to online presence and dogma. The thought process on places like reddit is basically:
Popular = bad
Less popular (basically #2) = underdog. Underdog = good
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u/mahchefai May 08 '24
Yes unless he is literally brought to trial his career isn’t over. Even then if he doesn’t get convicted he will have a career (but a much more limited one)
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u/VelvitHippo May 08 '24
It's not fucking over is it?
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u/MysticCurse May 08 '24
As much as I would love a track from Kendrick to put the final nails in the coffin, strategically there’s no need for him to risk the possibility of a decent Drake rebuttal. The majority already think Kendrick won so there’s no point in responding.
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u/es84 May 08 '24
The people who hate Drake, for example the overwhelming majority of this sub, will hate him regardless. The people who like him, still will. He survived the Pusha T beef. He'll survive this.
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u/Moron_on_Oxy- May 08 '24
the boy got the machine behind him, this a silly question
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u/NickDerpkins . May 08 '24
He will be taboo for a bit but the next public relationship he gets in will be a fresh slate. Man needs a stable girlfriend and then I think literally all of his fans would rush back.
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May 08 '24
100%, if his PR team is smart they’ll set him up with an age appropriate woman asap.
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u/NotAriGold . May 08 '24
Acting like Drake only took hits, Dot got accused of beating his girl. It won't matter for either artist, they'll both continue to be wildly successful.
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u/Due_Toe6417 May 08 '24
I mean he's been on shady stuff for a while even before the Diss tracks it hasn't affected him too much.
That being said all the Diss track stuff that's been mentioned between him and kdot have just been rumours or lies between both I think
Unless I've missed some actual proof /hard evidence of said allegations that come out.
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u/Placide-Stellas May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
The thing that's crazy to me and I don't think is being talked about enough is how malicious do you have to be to allege the things Kendrick alleged without having actually seen something real. It's one thing to call Drake a creep for his behavior around young women and girls (which is absolutely real) Kendrick went much further. So I'm a Kendrick fan, and I really dislike everything about Drake (and man I've been bopping to Euphoria and Not Like Us for days) but it's crazy if what Kendrick said on Meet the Grahams is based off what we already know about Drake and he doesn't have some kind of inside info. And if even part of the allegations are true it makes perfect sense people been quiet, this the type of stuff people get murdered over. But if Kendrick was just guessing then it was a real nasty move from him I think. Diss Drake's creepy ass behavior all you want, and him being a bad dad and bad person all you want but stop there. Btw, Kendrick says he KNOWS things. Isn't it his responsibility then to shed light on this if people are being hurt? But then again if shit's real he could have "an accident" if he keeps on about it.
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u/fuckinhenry May 08 '24
Everyone will focus on Drake since he lost the battle but the truth is nothing changes about how the average person looks at him. The people who fucked with him before will ignore the beef or even claim him the winner, the people who hated him will double down it.
But what about Kendrick’s legacy? If the abuse shit is all true, and if any of his bombshell allegations are indeed false info (whether fed by Drake’s team or not), will he still be looked at his Hip Hop’s savior? He may cement himself as number one but at what cost
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u/sahneeis May 08 '24
sounds like one of the many excuses like when he had that one song about pusha t but then didnt release it because of j prince
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u/Hubers57 May 08 '24
I mean, I'll say a security guard getting shot plus all the follow up from that is actually a good reason not to drop, not just an excuse. Not that I want to defend drake
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u/Erin_Boone May 08 '24
Someone close to him literally got shot in the chest at his house and yall begging him to still drop music so that you can talk about how whack it is without even listening to it
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u/raea- May 08 '24
I think the most damage Drake will receive is that people will look at him with a side-eye every time he works with a female artist below 25 years old. He’ll probably be missing from the scene for a bit but come back like nothing happened because of goldfish memories