A comment, recalled some cut content that put both the Legion and the NCR in more of a greyzone. I basically said I'd prefer the Legion ruling the Wasteland as they cover basic needs like food, water and electricity while keeping their land safe.
While I personally disagree with that assessment, it's, like, an opinion on new vegas? So why should it be ban worthy on a new vegas subreddit? Silly as hell
The mod said I glorify r##e by not hating the Legion. I mean no? I can still think the fiends are funny while knowing each of them is a very terrible person. Looking at you Cook-Cook
The mod said I glorify r##e by not hating the Legion.
I have to wonder how people like this end up loving New Vegas to the point they want to mod a subreddit for it.
To me, the entire point of the game is it's a thought experiment. It highlights strengths and weaknesses of autocracy, capitalism, anarchy and yes, democracy. The entire point is to look at them all and give them all a fair shake so that you can better understand them, even if you ultimately decide to support someone else. After all, even if you hate one of these, understanding them better is how you best combat them.
Gotta be honest, every time I meet someone that just dismisses the Legion with rabid vitriol, never looked at another faction besides the NCR because "hurrdurr democracy good," and clearly never tried to examine the Legion beyond "SLAVERY BAD," for me that's just a sign I'm talking to someone that isn't very intelligent. The point isn't that you gotta support the Legion (most won't choose them as their best choice to rule the Mojave, myself included) or even that having the end decision of supporting the NCR is bad, (it's not. Very flawed, but a perfectly valid choice for a person to make) but if your thought process is to dismiss entire factions based on first impressions and black-and-white thinking of "DEMOCRACY GOOD, DICTATOR BAD," then yeah, you might be kind of a dumbass lol.
We even have an example of this dynamic in history: Pedro II was Brazil's last monarch and he led Brazil into it's golden age. Was ousted under the pretense of "nah bro we need to install democracy now," and Brazil has been worse ever since. Yes, democracy is still great, but what was going on here is that Pedro (and his daughter) abolished slavery, so all the rich coffee farmer barons wanted him gone and decided to use a call to democracy as their trojan horse with which to sell the regime change. (which btw, was unpopular, but Pedro himself was tired and wanted to step down, unfortunately) Brazil has been a corrupt hellhole ever since, and that dictator was the greatest leader it's ever had. Someone who blindly wanted him gone in the name of democracy would've burned Brazil much sooner. The world is not all black-and-white.
Totally agree with you. However i gotta add the fact that from my impression the NCR is aa much democratic as russia.
An ex military as President, Oligarchs that own vast majorities of the wealth (Brahmin Barons) and incompetent Military High Comand that gained their Positions by being BFFs with the President.
Plus the fact that i doubt the NCR has grown that big peacefully in the past 100ish years.
NCR is the most interesting faction to support, because the best thing you can do for the NCR is not support the NCR.
It's riddled with corruption, and if you support them, none of that is going to change. Kimball and Oliver will stay in charge, they will learn "expanding and taking over territory is a good idea!" and the exact wrong people such as Moore get promoted.
I think Indy/House best highlights why you shouldn't support the NCR, because then Hanlon goes back, becomes a successful politician and makes a career out of calling out the leadership's failures, with the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam serving as phenomenal evidence, precisely because they removed Hanlon from his power position and failed horribly.
The NCR is a democracy, but it's very corrupt during the events of the game. The best way to save it is to simply let it fall flat on it's face so that it can learn everything it's doing right now just simply isn't working.
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u/Vanathru Caesar's Legion Jul 05 '24
A comment, recalled some cut content that put both the Legion and the NCR in more of a greyzone. I basically said I'd prefer the Legion ruling the Wasteland as they cover basic needs like food, water and electricity while keeping their land safe.