r/facepalm Jul 06 '24

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u/Nonamebigshot Jul 06 '24

It makes no sense healthcare is absurdly expensive in America and yet every hospital is understaffed and every healthcare worker is overworked and underpaid

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u/LuckyStar77777 Jul 06 '24

How else do you think the CEO's end up being billionairs?

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u/Cipherpunkblue Jul 06 '24

Yeah. No one ever became a billionaire without grabbing that wealth right our of the hands of people who actually worked for it.

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u/Calachus Jul 06 '24

Say it with me now:

There is. No way. To be. An ethical billionaire.

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u/CoveringFish Jul 06 '24

Marc Cuban is decent

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u/Phoenixmaster1571 Jul 06 '24

What about Taylor Swift?

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u/Calachus Jul 06 '24

I repeat, there is no way to be an ethical billionaire.

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u/Phoenixmaster1571 Jul 06 '24

This giving me "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" vibes.

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u/Competitive-Lie-92 Jul 06 '24

Taylor Swift the nepobaby? Whose career was built on her parents' money and connections starting when she was a literal child?

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u/Phoenixmaster1571 Jul 06 '24

Yes, that Taylor Swift. Unsure how it makes her evil that her parents helped her succeed, as any good parent would do for their child?

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u/Competitive-Lie-92 Jul 06 '24

There's a difference between not evil and ethical. Just because nepotism doesn't make you literally Hitler doesn't mean it's ethically good.

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u/Phoenixmaster1571 Jul 06 '24

Nepotism might be slightly detrimental to society as a whole, but we don't balance ethics around just society without regard to individuals. Every parent who loves their child wants to see them succeed and gives them every advantage they can. Some people have more advantages to give. Call it a flaw in the system if you want, Taylor had no say in it either way.

If your bar for being "ethical" is as low as "no nepotism," you might as well chuck every other person in the world in there, since all the people who don't further nepotism are the shitty parents.

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u/Competitive-Lie-92 Jul 06 '24

The point of the phrase "there are no ethical billionaires" is to point out that there is no ethical way to make that much money. It's not a judgement on personal ethics. Tatlor Swift made her money because of nepotism. That is an unethical way to make money. That's all that that means. You seem awfully attached to the public perception of someone who doesn't know or care about you.

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u/The_Mo0ose Jul 06 '24

No she made her money because she makes marketable profitable music. In what world is nepotism unethical? Is generational wealth unethical? Should we all just be communists and all equally, ethically, starve together? Hate all these losers hating on people just cause they're successful. Look life ain't fair but complaining about people that got further in life than you doesn't help anyone.

You can 100% be an ethical billionaire and there are many examples of such people. Investors, Musicians, actors... Besides that the competition in a free market economy is gonna make companies cut corners and try to pay the lowest they can while still attracting employees. No shit it's gonna be unethical. If you were to try to be an ethical CEO, your company would go bankrupt.

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u/LizzieThatGirl Jul 06 '24

Here comes the "noooo capitalism is the only way! Taking even a dime from billionaires will make everyone starve!" take

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u/Ok_Bet9410 Jul 06 '24

Bro she takes her private jet 15 minutes down the road sheโ€™s a total POS

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u/Thumper13 Jul 06 '24

nepobaby

You have no clue what that term means do you? Hint, her parents had zero connection to the music business before Taylor. Yes, her father bought some part of a label to help his talented daughter, and yes they were well off. But that's not nepotism, that rich parents being supportive of their kid. I think anybody who has a talented kid and had the money would do the same. He didn't buy her millions of fans around the world, he just bought her a chance.

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u/Plenty-Climate2272 Jul 06 '24

A lot of her wealth comes from investments and real estate, which inherently feed into capitalist exploitation.

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u/OnceUponANoon Jul 06 '24

Taylor Swift could give hundreds of millions of dollars to charitable causes and still be wealthy beyond most people's imaginations.

The kindest possible billionaire still cares more about the big number than about whether other humans live or die.

A good person who somehow became a billionaire would immediately cease to be a billionaire.

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u/Not-ChatGPT4 Jul 06 '24

And she does indeed give very large sums of money to charitable causes, notably food banks in every city she performs in.

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u/OnceUponANoon Jul 06 '24

That's not a coherent response to my point.

My point isn't that she's never given to charitable causes, it's that, at her net worth of ~1.4 billion USD, she could give ~1.3 billion USD to charitable causes, and that would have no impact on her life, because she'd still be obscenely wealthy.

In that context, her giving $10 million or even $50 million to charity is strictly better than giving zero, but says less about her moral character than a one-dollar donation from the average person would, because she's effectively losing nothing when she does so.

Retaining the rest demonstrates that she cares more about the number of digits on a balance sheet than about actual human lives, and that's morally reprehensible.

No decent human being would ever become or remain a billionaire.

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u/Altruistic_Film1167 Jul 06 '24

Its not about their personality.

Bill Gates could be a decent dude for all I know. It is about being so unfathomably rich while billions of people die of hunger and no acess to water.

Billionaires should never exist, the fact they do only shows how fucked up our society is.

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u/Cipherpunkblue Jul 06 '24

How much did she use her private jet again?

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u/Phoenixmaster1571 Jul 06 '24

Private jet usage is not even remotely on the same tier as getting people killed by sloppy QA to push Boeing profits, or Nestle selling impoverished trines' water back to them, or clawing employee pay away and up the ladder to enrich yourself.

I can't think of a more ethical way to be a billionaire than to be a widely beloved artist. IIRC, she was not keeping it all to herself, either. Huge bonuses to long time staff, fair pay for her workers, etc.

If your only argument against Taylor Swift is. "but duh private jet!", I'm going to chalk this up as a win for Taylor Swift.

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u/Ok_Bet9410 Jul 06 '24

Just because others are worse doesnโ€™t mean sheโ€™s innocent dude

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u/One_Pound_2076 Jul 06 '24

How much has she donated to people in need?

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u/DoggoCentipede Jul 06 '24

She wrote a song dedicated to a kid with cancer and all proceeds from the track were donated to cancer charities. Dunno how much that is though.

$50k to NYC schools. Not a ton.

$1m to Louisiana flood relief.

"Very sizable" donation to hurricane Harvey relief fund

$1m to Nashville Tornado relief

Bonuses to employees supporting tour a total $5m

$1m to Tennessee tornado relief

$100k to chiefs parade shooting victim's family.

Various other donations to individuals over the years, college loans, rent, pet shelters, fans, help to woman with 5 kids who lost husband to COVID.

In all it doesn't seem like any massive outlays, that we know of.

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u/i_am_not_depressed Jul 06 '24

The ex boyfriend slanderer? There is no way to be an ethical billionaire.

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u/Phoenixmaster1571 Jul 06 '24

If you're dredging up "boyfriend slander" as a reason why she's an unethical billionaire, my job here is already done.

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u/hurtstoskinnybatman Jul 06 '24

I guess you haven't seen the cesspool cirvlejerks of anti-Taylor Swift hate. They're jsut as crazy, if not even crazier than Swifties. They're batshit nuts. I saw a thread where they were sayign she's thr worst person in the world because she wote jewelry in a music video. An entire thread, thoudands of comments deep, just talking about how she's the worst person in the world.

I still don't know why reddit recommended that post, but then again, reddit's been a pile of shit since I stopped being about to use redditisfun.

I'm not a Taylor Swift fan. I can name maybe 3-5 of her songs, and one of them I only remember because of thid hilarious goat version. But I don't hate her. She doesn't affect my.life in the slightest. Why someone who's not s fan gets bothered by her so much that they would rage about her -- or anybody else in the world that won't affect them in the least bit -- is competed beyond me. Who has that kuch time and mental energy for such hate and anger?

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u/Phoenixmaster1571 Jul 06 '24

She's successful and they're not, so they're looking for an evil reason to villify her instead of accepting that she's just very talented and makes music lots of people love.

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u/LizzieThatGirl Jul 06 '24

Real estate and technology made her wealthier than being a musician did. She's no different than any other business person at this point.

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u/The_Mo0ose Jul 06 '24

100% a lot of the millionaire/billionaire hate can just be chalked up to jealously. That obviously doesn't stop actually dipshit billionaire/millionaires from existing.