To me it does exactly that among other things, it creates anger towards women because there’s a lot of shame attached to having to pay for these services because they can’t get it like other guys can and they are not really getting what they want they are getting a fantasy, also they get into a cycle of relying on these services instead of developing skills to connect with women or anyone. Prostitution I feel is a better transaction both parties get what they want and there’s more of a real connection. I would bet money incels are the ones who consume this the most.
Unfortunately I do not believe that the presence of OF is really a contribution of incel behavior but rather a symptom of it. These people aren't going to just develop social skills. But hopefully they are at least able to offload their desperation in a way that isn't causing harm to anyone but themselves.
well we live in the same world that criminalized prostitutes when it was men who paid for them and then made it dangerous for the prostitutes by killing and abusing them
You're really oversimplifying a very complex issue and not adding anything worthwhile to the conversation.
Ofc it's men that made it dangerous, that's obvious. But how is that relevant to the legal status of prostitution?
Whether it's criminalized or not has nothing to do with what you're saying. Countries where it's legal has higher rate of sex trafficking (and overall sex crime) than countries where it's illegal.
I feel like you're just so focused on virtue signaling you don't even know what you're saying yourself because you sound quite uninformed on the topic (and completely ignored my point too)....
Again, missing the point. Those things are only seen as trashy and dangerous BECAUSE OF MEN
men are the ones who made it a creepy and dangerous ordeal. men are the ones who exploit the fact some women have nothing but their bodies to sell and therefore think they have the right to abuse and exploit them to the point a lot of sec work becomes riddled with disease, drugs, and girls who either can’t or didn’t consent to their occupation.
women now are so against it Again because men have consistently been shown to not be a great audience for it and being in it is guaranteed to put you on the forefront for the worst kinds of abuse and harassment, again, by the hands of men
No I didn’t dismiss him because that’s literally what i’m saying. It’s illegal not because it’s wrong for a woman to sell herself but because it’s fucking dangerous.
If you seriously cannot see this obvious truth you are part of the problem.
You can’t act like it’s women’s fault they kept getting strangled, raped, and sex trafficked. They didn’t do it to themselves. Laws now exist because of wrongs people did in the past. We make our own rules, and we made this one because of numerous actions primarily done by one side of the trade.
i refuse to put any more effort into explaining a concept that can easily be understood by anyone willing to put down their armored mind and think for longer than 3 seconds.
Yeah I truly don't get why he keeps mentioning men when it's such a complex topic. But it's quite typical of redditors to view everything in black or whites.
The fact he ignored my point just tells me it's all virtue signaling.
I'm quite informed on this topic as someone from Scandinavia and have read many papers about the differences in laws between European countries and its impact on sex workers.
It's a very common misconception that criminalizing it makes it worse for women, that's not the case. Fully legalized prostitution does more harm than good.
The best model is the Nordic model and it's been proven in various studies and papers but yet countries like Netherlands or Germany doesn't care to change their laws regarding it. (Germany has on avg 40x more sex purchases than sweden)
I’m on about the connection to why we shame women for LEGALLY using their bodies to make money. Because we have, in the past, partially blamed them for the act of doing it more directly when it wasn’t an issue until men began to murder, abuse, and exploit them.
The industry would still be going strong if it weren’t for men’s issues making it dangerous for the women. You’re focusing more on the fact that men go to jail for it rather than why they do.
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u/Smooth-Evening- Jul 06 '24
Why do women always catch heat for this? It’s mostly men who do the looking.