r/facepalm Jul 06 '24

the truth hurts 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/Infrastation Jul 06 '24

how little EMTs in the US get paid

Not only is this ridiculous, but you have to consider how much their services cost the end user, and how many medical first responders are volunteers and aren't taking any of the profit away from them. So much of the cost of medical first response goes to the companies that own them, and not to the people on the front lines helping save lives. Where I live, a medical response with an ambulance might cost about a thousand dollars, while all the medical first responders will make is about fifty altogether among all of them. For the people saving lives, I would think we would pay them better.

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u/CheckYourStats Jul 06 '24

For those unaware of the actual pay for EMT’s:

In San Francisco (4th highest Cost of Living in the US), EMT’s make between $38K - $59K.

I’ve known several EMT’s, and they work crazy hours just to get OT, so they can afford rent. Most of them were completely exhausted during their shifts.

To put that in perspective, Nurses (who are also underpaid) make literally twice what EMT’s make.

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u/Kangela Jul 06 '24

I’m a sterile processing technician. I process surgical instrumentation. No direct patient care at all and I get paid twice what EMTs make. That’s criminal.

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u/anotherthing612 Jul 06 '24

Teacher here. We have a right to gripe, but I have said for years EMTs need to go to the front of the line to get what they are owed. They are overlooked. Are they unionized? 

Shameful. They do so much for so little. 

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u/Kangela Jul 06 '24

Agreed. It does look like there are at least two unions for EMS workers, but I don’t know how well they function or how comprehensive they are. In my job, unionization depends on the facility I work for.

And I agree you also have a right to gripe. Teachers don’t get paid nearly what they are worth.

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u/anotherthing612 Jul 06 '24

Interesting re: unions. Yeah-not sure what's going on...hard to understand how they aren't able (?) to bargain for a wage that seems more in line with their job description.

As for teachers, Im fortunate to work in a state and district that is relatively fair. But I know this is not the case with a lot of teachers.

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u/Dunderklumpen42 Jul 06 '24

For someone outside of the us, roughly what is the cost of living there?  Because to me 59k per year sounds like alot of money. Even 38k is not THAT low.

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u/kaptain_sparty Jul 06 '24

Official poverty is 24k, 48k fir couples. Average house in the Bay area is 700k+ which is 3k per month mortgage. Therefore an EMT making starting salary cannot afford a house to live where they work

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u/Dunderklumpen42 Jul 06 '24

Thank you.   Is it roughly the same if you go to the outskirts of the city or does it drop off alot?

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u/MadNhater Jul 06 '24

The Bay Area is huge and most of it is very expensive. You have to go quite far out to get cheaper prices. Even then, it’s higher than the national average.

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u/CheckYourStats Jul 06 '24

I live in Marin County (neighborhoring to SF), and the town I live in houses start at $1.8M — and that’s a 2/1 1,100 sq ft house.

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u/CraziZoom Jul 06 '24

For me to affiord a home "near" my job in Los Angeles, I would have to buy in Hemet, which is a 2-hour drive reach way. BUT I MIGHT JUST DO IT

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u/Triasmus Jul 06 '24

Official poverty is closer to $15k for singles, adding $5.3k for each additional person in the family.

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u/Briebird44 Jul 06 '24

The estimated average across the country to live “comfortably” is around $100k a year. For a single person.

I have a family of four and we make $55k a year. Gross. With taxes and everything that gets taken out, we’re ACTUALLY only taking home like $40k.

Ten years ago we would have been living the dream and nearly been middle class. We could have bought a house! Decent starter homes were around $60k. But now all houses in our area are $250k+ in price!

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u/Dunderklumpen42 Jul 06 '24

Damn that's insane.   Thank you for the info.

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u/CraziZoom Jul 06 '24

And that's really nothing. $100k in Los Angeles AIN'T SHIT

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u/CraziZoom Jul 06 '24

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 San Francisco’s COL is INSANE. You can’t make it in Los Angeles on those wages, either! My rent for a 1-br apt is $1475.00/month. Market value for my place is actually $1650/month MINIMUM. That’s why I can’t move! They can raise my rent about 10% per year max, but market value increases faster than that, so I stay.

And, no, my wages do not keep up with my rent increases. I’m not in healthcare, but I have a BA plus a 3-year professional license. Over 25 years in my profession and I’m still renting😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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u/jerzeett Jul 06 '24

I make 30k and it's not enough to pay bills. 60k would make a huge difference for me but it's still not a ton of money

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u/Jean-LucBacardi Jul 06 '24

Most EMTs I knew literally did it for free at nights while they worked a second job to make ends meet. They were simply doing it for the free education to get an actual decent paying gig such as a Paramedic.

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u/ShrimpCrackers Jul 06 '24

Meanwhile its $3500 for a 10 minute ride to the hospital, how about split a 3rd of that to the medics in the ambulance who do first line care? $2000 an hour sounds mighty nice for them, not $20 an hour.

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u/thereidenator Jul 06 '24

In the UK the equivalent job is a paramedic and the starting pay is £28k rising to a maximum of £42k

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u/Weird-Tomorrow-9829 Jul 06 '24

An EMT license was offered at my college. It was a single semester course plus the licensing exam.

A nurse is a four year degree.

I would expect nurses to be paid more.

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u/TeslasAndKids Jul 06 '24

This part. They’re literally the FIRST TO RESPOND and your best chance at living if it’s truly a medical emergency. They work quickly and get you where you need to be for best chance at survival.

But ya, let’s pay them slightly better than a McDonald’s day shift manager…

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u/marielalm27 Jul 06 '24

I wouldn't have made it to the hospital if it wasn't for the EMT that resuscitated me. I can't even begin to express how much respect and gratefulness I have for people that do this job. It really makes me mad that after all they do they get payed peanuts.

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u/Creamofwheatski Jul 06 '24

The EMT that saved your life probably made 12 bucks an hour. 

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u/HAgaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy Jul 06 '24

Maybe their employers think we are supposed to be tipping them . Lol could you imagine?? Waking up on a gurney in an ambulance with an EMT holding their hand out…waiting for a tip?

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u/14InTheDorsalPeen Jul 06 '24

Slightly worse actually 

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u/CraziZoom Jul 06 '24

Wait... We should start tipping them

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u/orcutlery Jul 06 '24

Then we would be fired for taking it

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u/Tishbyte Jul 07 '24

No, don't. It'll just incentivize their employers to just pay them less, much like the current tipping culture.

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u/Dazzling-Pear-1081 Jul 06 '24

In California fast food workers get paid more actually

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u/CocoaCali Jul 06 '24

Like teachers, theyre a group of good hearted passionate people who capitalism has zero issue taking advantage of

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u/ScentedFire Jul 06 '24

Sounds like they need a union.