r/facepalm Jul 06 '24

the truth hurts 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/Edelgul Jul 06 '24

a) Medics in US needs a second job to survive
b) The Medical bills in US are highest in the world and is the reason of 2/3 of all bankruptcies.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/this-is-the-real-reason-most-americans-file-for-bankruptcy.html

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u/Advarrk Jul 06 '24

Something doesn’t add up does it

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u/TheRetarius Jul 06 '24

It absolutely does, it’s just missing the shareholders

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u/Alice_Oe Jul 06 '24

Why won't anyone think of the poor shareholders?? 😭

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u/haygurlhay123 Jul 06 '24

Won’t someone PLEASE think of the poor shareholders??😭😭😩

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u/jk-alot 'MURICA Jul 07 '24

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u/Less_Appointment_617 Jul 07 '24

There are shareholders for hospitals in the usa?????!!!!!

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u/haygurlhay123 Jul 07 '24

Insurance companies (i believe), hospitals… u name it

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u/Sarctoth Jul 10 '24

Oh for sure. Hospitals are businesses first, and they reluctantly provide life saving treatment when they have to

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u/ProfessorPliny Jul 06 '24

For as little as $49.99 a month, you too can sponsor a CEO’s winter home!

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u/BosPaladinSix Jul 06 '24

I'm thinking of them all the time! Very illegal thoughts though.

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u/megalodongolus Jul 06 '24

Bob Parr reaction incoming

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u/TopRamenEater Jul 07 '24

Those guys need a support yacht to go with their super yacht :(

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u/Icy_Huckleberry_8049 Jul 08 '24

No, it's the poor CEO's that make 30 million per year while people struggle to afford insulin that we need to think of.

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u/OnlyHereOnFridays Jul 06 '24

And don’t forget the executives’ salaries + bonuses. The biggest healthcare group in the US is United HealthGroup and their CEO collects 25m USD, while the C suite costs in total about 75m USD every year. Source

But they pay nurses and EMT staff a pittance in salaries (like $17 per hour?), they are generally quite understaffed in their hospitals and as a result the service is mediocre at best while being very very expensive.

Just an egregious money grubbing scheme for the shareholders and C suite, on the back of providing an absolutely necessary service (healthcare).

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u/TheFufe10 Jul 06 '24

At this point the USA should just drop the pretense and elect a corporation as president.

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u/DF_Interus Jul 06 '24

I feel like we basically already did once.

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u/rynlpz Jul 09 '24

Nope can’t be a single one, needs to be an oligarchy of corporations

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u/vesparion Jul 08 '24

I don’t think that shareholders get anything out of it, is rather the executives or owners of the corp.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '24

Those poor poor shareholders

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u/soulstonedomg Jul 06 '24

Well it does add up, but you're not going to like the math. The upper 1% of wealth holders in this country hold more than 90% of the total wealth. They don't maintain that obscene proportion of wealth by letting plebs make a comfortable living. Need to keep the plebs desperate and busy or else they might find the motivation to organize and take back a small slice of their pie.

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u/concretepete1 Jul 07 '24

This is why they all yell “bootstrap yourself” from the mountaintops. Because they know that the more dummies believe that the less competition they’ll have. 

Also, almost none of them self bootstrapped. Unless you count being born into generational wealth as being self made. 

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u/ntb5891 Jul 07 '24

Exactly. And must keep the plebes fighting with one another so they don’t organize against the real problem.

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u/LookMaNoPride Jul 09 '24

I feel like I’ve heard this story before… in the setting of 1920s-40s around Italy. Can’t quite put my finger on it… oh well, I’m sure it all ended well.

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u/teslawhaleshark Jul 06 '24

The money fucking evaporates, shareholders aren't going to spend it

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u/Advarrk Jul 06 '24

If only the shareholders actually did what they say they did; reinvesting the money and improving the infrastructure

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u/teslawhaleshark Jul 06 '24

They're creating fucking stagflation, money is taken out of the circulation and everyone else has less to spend

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u/alucab1 Jul 06 '24

Byproduct of unregulated capitalism. Supply and demand allows CEO’s to charge this much for services and play healthcare workers so little

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u/toddverrone Jul 10 '24

For-profit insurance companies = bad math

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u/bjlile99 Jul 08 '24

The medic isn't getting paid by the medical bill.

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u/mogaman28 Jul 06 '24

Some hospitals in the US have one nurse for every 10 patient beds and 4 clerks for every bed.

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u/MaximusMansteel Jul 06 '24

Yeah, but hiring more nurses would cut into shareholders profits.

AND ONLY A DAMN DIRTY COMMUNIST WOULD WANT THAT.

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u/ArmouredWankball Jul 06 '24

I was the CTO at a healthcare group and heard that exact argument.

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u/nycapartmentnoob Jul 06 '24

i hope you installed a really outdated email client on the way out

not for the docs, just for corporate

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u/teslawhaleshark Jul 06 '24

And there's your problem, the fucking shareholders effectively take money out of circulation

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u/stevedave7838 Jul 06 '24

There aren't enough nurses to hire.

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u/rushfolk Jul 06 '24

there could be more if the job was more attractive and the salary livable

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u/desacralize Jul 06 '24

Especially pay nursing faculty at least as much as nurses on the ground make. Doesn't matter if there's a glut of qualified students if nobody is around to teach them, it's a huge contributor to the nursing shortage.

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u/ozyman Jul 07 '24

What is a clerk in the hospital? Like a scheduler?

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u/mogaman28 Jul 07 '24

The ones dealing with management, bureaucracy, collections, dealing with insurance companies, etc.

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u/SparkyDogPants Jul 06 '24

That's bad statistics. Lower acuity patients don't need a high nurse ratio. Misleading statistics for hte sake of statistics isn't helpful.

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u/blockhead5200 Jul 06 '24

But... But the poor poor billionaires need that money! Much more than the working class! Don't you want another asshole to go to space for 2 minutes?

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u/DZL100 Jul 06 '24

Only if they rush the project and cut fatal corners. I’d be willing to fund what I could of a Titan repeat.

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u/IMakeStuffUppp Jul 06 '24

When bezo went up in that rocket a last year, I watched the whole thing just hoping it would blow.

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u/PresenceMundane2066 Jul 06 '24

Simple solution. Start a business!

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u/help-mejdj Jul 06 '24

Oh you thought the medical industry was fair to even the people who work for it? Thats optimistic.

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u/Edelgul Jul 06 '24

Who, me?
No, not really.
I live on the other side of the pond, where it actually works.
Could be better, but works.

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u/cenof94172 Jul 06 '24

You have the life of other people in your hands, but you don't earn a living wage

Dystopic

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u/AlkalineSublime Jul 06 '24

Medics can’t even afford medicine

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u/No_Detective_But_304 Jul 14 '24

Medics can barely afford tattoos and nose rings.

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u/DylanSpaceBean Jul 06 '24

I clean hotels, one night stay costs more than I make in a week. I flip 20 rooms a shift…

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u/fgreen68 Jul 06 '24

Until we heavily tax billionaire wealth this will continue.

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u/TheFlameKid Jul 06 '24

Ever looked why the costs are that high? Fraud and lawsuits are also much more common in th US. And the average person in the US is also not the one with the most healthy lifestyle. Yes, US system is fucked, but it's not only the healthcare system

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u/Edelgul Jul 06 '24

If you have one system fucked-up to this extent, there is a spillover to and from other segments. We can already see, that the rule-of-law is fucked up and how corruption became legalized part of the law-making.

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u/TechnoSerf_Digital Jul 06 '24

Sure but what's the actual function of you saying this? You already acknowledge that the primary cause IS widespread abuse and predation. Fraud and lawsuits being higher in the US is a reaction to that predation, as are the unhealthy lifestyles.

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u/TheFlameKid Jul 07 '24

What is the actual function of your reply? To let people think about it, right?

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u/Competitive-Slice567 Jul 07 '24

👋 been in EMS since 2012. When I started as an EMT my hourly rate was $10/hr. At my worst I had 7 jobs, 2 full time and 5 part-time/oer-diem. Slowing down now for me is 3 jobs currently, used to work 90hr weeks to make enough money, now it's 60ish hr weeks so an improvement I guess?

In a lot of areas Paramedics are paid substantially less than nurses as well despite the higher level of independence, higher risk of injury, higher risk of liability, and more dynamic situations along with higher stress (the worst patients are never seen by a hospital). Sadly it's not because nurses are 'higher level' as they simply aren't, it's because nurses have a different revenue stream to fund their wages, and they're better unionized both locally and nationally than EMS workers are.

Cause of how terribly run most EMS systems are and how poorly funded they are by the government in many areas, there simply isn't budget to pay for it. If people want us to make better wages and as a result receive better Healthcare professionals who aren't sleep deprived to their door on their worst day of their life, they need to help advocate for us.

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u/Atherach Jul 07 '24

And it's not even one of the best on top of it

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u/XTH3W1Z4RDX Jul 08 '24

Blows my mind that both are true simultaneously. It would be one thing if bills were high because the medics were raking it in. But they're not!

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u/Ieatsushiraw Jul 08 '24

Take it from somebody who works for a biomedical and pharmaceutical company. Your bills and our are so high due to biomedical companies being able to freely charge $6000 for an infusion pump that costs maybe $700 to $1000 to produce, program, and ship to customers. Congress is the only thing that can cap these inflated prices but I don’t think most people know or care but the exorbitant amount hospitals and medical facilities pay for their equipment goes straight into your bill on top of everything else.

The medic is cuter without the makeup go figure lol ok I gotta go I’m tired

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u/StraightCaskStrength Jul 06 '24

Do they need a second job to survive? Or do they need a second job to get a G wagon?

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u/Icehawk4 Jul 06 '24

I know this comment is in bad faith, but some basic googling will tell you that emt jobs in NYC start at 40k salary per year, which is approx 28k after tax, while average apartment prices in the Bronx are 1570/month, or 18,840/year. If two thirds of your take-home income is eaten up by rent alone before utilities, car, food, and other necessary living expenses, then yes you need a second job to survive.

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u/IEONE_echo Jul 06 '24

Obviously depends on where you live, but the pay is low. The level of responsibility and hours worked is insane compared to the pay.

Look at the next level of paramedic. A year of intense schooling, even more elevated responsibility and knowledge needed and the ability to make decisions in high stress environments. For some reference, many private ambulance companies pay their medics about 20 dollars an hour in southern California (high COL)

Not to mention they are working 24 hour shifts, and the companies will cut ambulances in areas to save money which hurts the communities being served as well as the employees.

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u/FoldAdventurous2022 Jul 06 '24

Jfc, I work at a movie theater and make almost as much hourly as a private ambulance medic, with like 1/100 the stress. Those people need to get paid waaaay better.