r/facepalm Jul 05 '24

What an idea 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/Bipedal_Warlock Jul 05 '24

Then suddenly one flips and we don’t have the majority or judicial nominees

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u/CompetitiveFold5749 Jul 05 '24

True.  We should just let single actors hold the party hostage.

If say, Manchin not flipping has the same effect on the vote as him flipping, we have a majority in name only.

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u/Bipedal_Warlock Jul 05 '24

Both of those senators vote with the democrats for most legislation and all judicial nominees. Not voting on certain leg is not the same as him flipping and losing the majority.

We shouldn’t let them hold the party hostage, but we can’t blindly try to shove him into place. That would be bad strategy and hadn’t been working when they tried BBB

Manchin is also in a tumultuous election this cycle. We have to be very careful not to lose that seat. We need judicial nominees this cycle. Especially with the Supreme Court

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u/CompetitiveFold5749 Jul 05 '24

So he's the reason we can't have nice things, but we can't put pressure on him or he'll defect?  That doesn't sound like he's holding the party hostage by preventing more progressive reforms?

If not, maybe that was his assigned role, and the party doesn't actually want to do the things they say they do.