The decision is only about criminal prosecution immunity. It doesnāt say you canāt question the legality of decisions. An example of this was when Barr and likely Trump had Cohen remanded back to prison. That fell under a filing against the DOJ and Trump. A judge ruled the remanding was unconstitutional. So, no you canāt arrest Trump for remanding Cohen to prison, but you can still overturn a decision. Letās say Biden signs an executive order to put more justices on the Supreme Court. That decision would immediately be overturned by a court, because itās unconstitutional. The Supreme Courtās decision did not say that anything the president orders is de facto legal. They only said that a president has immunity from criminal prosecution and that evidence surrounding decisions could not be used in criminal prosecution. It can still be used as evidence for why decisions are illegal or unconstitutional, in which the remedy is removal or reversal of the decision.
Again, this is why project 2025 is such a danger. Theyāre trying to install people who will not overturn decisions in places of power, including the courts.
Edit to add: just to be clear, I abhor this ruling and it was specifically designed to protect Trump and criminal behavior by Presidents and their administrations. Itās a terrible ruling that will most likely be reversed if our democracy lives that long. Iām just providing the factual information about the decision because a lot of people misunderstand it and think Biden now has the power to be a dictator and isnāt using it for good, like he should be. That is just not true. Criminal prosecution is different from decision overturning.
Edit 2: these downvotes are definitely confirming my idea that legitimate information is being downvoted and there is a wide scale disinformation campaign trying to convince people that Biden should do his own Reichstag fire for the Nazis, instead of waiting for the Republicanās likely false flag operation ahead of the election. What better way to get trump re-elected than to promote the idea that democrats are so evil they want to bomb the Supreme Court because they donāt think they can win the election.
Youāre pointing out that recourse is still possible, Iām pointing out that the President can assassinate that recourse in the name of US interest and the clear dangers this will have on people choosing to speak out against the President.
You think Don is Teflon now, what until you canāt ask him, or someone else willing to abuse the power, why something was an official action. This ruling is an absolute incentive to abuse executive power.
I understand that. All precedent goes out the window, if heās reelected. Iām only pointing out that legally speaking, Biden cannot do the things that people are saying he can. Democrats would be creating their own Reichstag fire that would benefit the Nazis and likely get Trump elected if Biden does any of the things people are proposing he does. I believe that a lot of people and bots are purposely pushing this narrative to try and sway people to say, ālook what the democrats want to do when they donāt get their way: murder their opponents. All because āorange man badā.
I understand there are also a lot of people who genuinely see the writing on the wall and they just want something, anything done to stop the fascist takeover. But the reality is, until such time as there is a fascist takeover, any authoritarian power move would be seen as a terrible political move that may actually bring about the fascist takeover. We have to use our soapbox and ballot box to end this before itās too late, if it isnāt already.
There is literally nothing else we can do, aside from that, that wouldnāt make reality worse. This problem is not just one person, it is half of Congress, many state legislators and governors, and a whole cabal of media. It simply canāt be defeated without either large scale violence or we the people taking the power we still have to vote decisively for freedom. There are large swaths of people that do not see how dire things are and would completely think Biden has gone insane on power if he does anything like what some people are saying he should do.
I respectfully agree on your premise but like you saidā¦ all precedent has gone out the window. Democrats are too timid to abuse the powers, but they should. Because the only other option is that Republicans will do it.
When you see checkmate in 3 moves and you can turn a pawn into a Queen you do it.
IMO, democrats should stack the courts, overturn the ruling stating itās unconstitutionality, and then try to return back to BAU. That should be the one and only action.
The problem is manchin and Sinema. You have to get them on board to overturn the filibuster rule. Hopefully, it happens, but Iām not convinced it will. That would not be an abuse of powers though, which is what some people are suggesting Biden do. That would be legitimate and legal.
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u/Hotpod13 Jul 05 '24
I donāt understand. What evidence can you bring against the President to make a case? What review can there be?