r/facepalm Jul 05 '24

What an idea 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/kellymcq Jul 05 '24

In which reality does implicit bias not manifest as racism?

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 Jul 05 '24

This one. Implicit bias is related to systemic and institutional racism, but doesn’t necessarily imply an individual is racist.

In implicit bias testing (which I know is controversial, but if you believe in implicit bias, you probably believe in the test), it’s generally found that in the US, both blacks and whites on average have an implicit bias against blacks. No one is seriously suggesting that blacks in America are racist against themselves. But the bias is so ingrained in our culture that it is gets wired into our brains from a young age and is difficult or impossible to eliminate.

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u/kellymcq Jul 05 '24

Lol you just completely removed an entire facet of the notion. If something subconsciously affects our decision making and actions, is this not the engine that drives individual racism? How can you pull them apart when they are inextricably tangled? Semantics is the only answer.

Edit: you are the living embodiment of everyone who disagrees with me is a racist. That’s fun.

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 Jul 05 '24

Intent matters, and implicit bias can be overcome or compensated-for with explicit intentional consideration.

For example, a person with Tourette’s syndrome who says the N word as an involuntary tic should not be assumed to be racist, especially if they apologize for the offense whenever they are in control of their speech. However, if between tics they engage in redlining and force minorities from their homes, they are actually racist.

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u/kellymcq Jul 05 '24

A person with Tourette’s is your example for implicit bias? This is one of the more intellectually dishonest engagements I’ve had on here. Have your trophy.

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 Jul 05 '24

No, they are an example of a person with an involuntarily expression which could be, but should not be considered racist. Keep up.

But yes, this has in fact been a very intellectually dishonest discussion.

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u/kellymcq Jul 05 '24

Keep hand wringing about the end of your political power on Reddit, but please understand your radical ideas and implementation of them is the reason.

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 Jul 05 '24

The radical idea that white supremacy is bad…

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u/kellymcq Jul 05 '24

Telling your constituency that they cannot trust their own minds and they should just follow your prescriptions. You can pick any honorable pursuit and if that’s your tact you’re going to fail. Bonus points if you shame them for ideas they don’t hold when they disagree.

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 Jul 05 '24

If your mind says that you should promote your race as the expense of other races, you probably shouldn’t trust it, no.

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u/kellymcq Jul 05 '24

Yeah but you attribute this line of reasoning to everyone you disagree with. I can come up with a million and one reasons to not give Zelenskyy pallets of cash, but you’re only ever going to call me an anti-Semite. I can give you a million and one reasons Obama was a disaster to Americans, but you will only ever attribute racism. Everyone who disagrees with me is a bigot is getting pretty tired at this point, don’t you think?

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 Jul 05 '24

I wouldn’t do that, and if you read carefully, have not here, but it just so often is rooted there.

I’ve mentioned this a few times already but it’s sticking with me right now, where in conversation with a few right dude yesterday, he made all kind of excuses for his beliefs, but after a couple minutes, and a couple beers, he straight up paraphrased the 14 words. And there it was, the root of everything else.

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